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Last winter the question du jour was "Is Chip Kelly the next Bill Belichick?"

I guess if they were talking about completely failing their first head coaching gig, then yes they were were right. I don't think that's what they were going for though.
Belichick as a complete failure in Cleveland is a myth. He took the Browns to the playoffs and won a game (beating Parcells and the Patriots); when Modell announced they were leaving Belichick had them in first place at the time before everything fell apart. Belichick was building a team that would win the Super Bowl in Baltimore.
 

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Belichick as a complete failure in Cleveland is a myth. He took the Browns to the playoffs and won a game (beating Parcells and the Patriots); when Modell announced they were leaving Belichick had them in first place at the time before everything fell apart. Belichick was building a team that would win the Super Bowl in Baltimore.
Belichick was not a failure in Cleveland as you correctly point out, but he had very little to do with building the team that eventually won the Super Bowl in Baltimore. That roster turned over completely between leaving Cleveland and clubbing the Giants-there might have been one guy left that had played in Cleveland.
 

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Belichick was not a failure in Cleveland as you correctly point out, but he had very little to do with building the team that eventually won the Super Bowl in Baltimore. That roster turned over completely between leaving Cleveland and clubbing the Giants-there might have been one guy left that had played in Cleveland.
Of course the pick used for Ray Lewis came because BB traded down the year before.
 

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Belichick as a complete failure in Cleveland is a myth. He took the Browns to the playoffs and won a game (beating Parcells and the Patriots); when Modell announced they were leaving Belichick had them in first place at the time before everything fell apart. Belichick was building a team that would win the Super Bowl in Baltimore.
A friend just sent me this out of the blue:

Baltimore owner Art Modell said he might still be in Cleveland had he not hired Bill Belichick as coach in 1991.

"I was sold a bill of goods on Belichick," Modell said. "To Bill, everything was like the Normandy invasion. I couldn't talk to him during practice because he was coaching.

"I really believe that much of the disdain and abuse I received was because of the feelings the media and the public had for Bill. Every day I thought it would change, that he would be more pleasant to people. He never did and it hurt all of us terribly."
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-11-11/sports/sp-63677_1_college-football/2
 

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Watch A Football Life on Paul Brown – Modell did the exact same thing to him.
Art Modell should not be listened to, from his wiki: Despite a no-cost stadium lease, all revenues from parking, concessions, and TV, as well as a reported $25M Maryland subsidy, Modell's ownership of the Ravens resulted in continual financial hardships, and the NFL stepped in and directed Modell to sell his franchise.

How was it that he lost the team? He was an idiot. An NFL franchise is a license to print money and he blew it.
 

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Art Modell should not be listened to, from his wiki: Despite a no-cost stadium lease, all revenues from parking, concessions, and TV, as well as a reported $25M Maryland subsidy, Modell's ownership of the Ravens resulted in continual financial hardships, and the NFL stepped in and directed Modell to sell his franchise.

How was it that he lost the team? He was an idiot. An NFL franchise is a license to print money and he blew it.
It is complete nonsense. He was driven from Cleveland by self inflicted financial problems. The Browns were playoff favorites going into that last year in Cleveland, then injuries and the shocking move -- announced early season -- ripped the heart from the team. BB had more than overcome some early reign problems -- Kosar and the like -- and had that team on a firm path to sustained excellence. The staff he had assembled for the Browns, featuring Ozzie Newsome and the like, was phenomenal.

As for Kelly, he would not be the first HC not ready for full franchise control. Josh McDaniels in Denver obviously was another. I cannot jump ugly on Lurie for this because he has been the model of patience among NFL owners, and Kelly's tenure as personnel chief was obviously a train wreck in a very difficult market.
 

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"Modell said. "To Bill, everything was like the Normandy invasion. I couldn't talk to him during practice because he was coaching."

This is one my favorite quotes of the year. Modell , in an attempt to paint BB in a negative light, actually explains in a nutshell why BB is the best at what he does.
 

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A radio guy from PHI said that he thought Lurie made the decision to fire Kelly well before the WAS game, which I guess means that there was a possibility that Kelly could have made the playoffs and still got fired. That's kind of screwed up.

Art Modell should not be listened to, from his wiki: Despite a no-cost stadium lease, all revenues from parking, concessions, and TV, as well as a reported $25M Maryland subsidy, Modell's ownership of the Ravens resulted in continual financial hardships, and the NFL stepped in and directed Modell to sell his franchise.

How was it that he lost the team? He was an idiot. An NFL franchise is a license to print money and he blew it.
Modell lost the team because (i) there were a ton of expenses he didn't anticipate - like buying out his minority partners, paying $23M towards the stadium and paying a $29M relocation fee - it is said that the move cost him $185M - and (ii) unlike very many owners at the time (and any current owner), the football team was his sole source of wealth.

The sale was technically mandated because his various loans were in technical default (did not meet operating revenue to debt service covenants) and while he got a $85M loan from the NFL to tide him over, it was only for a year and he had to find equity to meet the various loan covenants. However, it was clear that there really wasn't anyone willing to invest that kind of money for a perpetual minority interest.

Also, IIRC, he was trying to do some estate planning so that his family could keep the team.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bal-modell122099-story.html

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This is one my favorite quotes of the year. Modell , in an attempt to paint BB in a negative light, actually explains in a nutshell why BB is the best at what he does.
This quote sums up what is good about Belichick and bad about Modell quite perfectly.
LOL, yeah I mean the criticism is, what, that he was very, very serious about his job and wasn't willing to chit chat with the owner while preparing for games during the week? Absolutely hilarious.
 

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Yeah, but that's like giving Bobby Grier credit for drafting Brady because Brady was taken with a compensatory pick awarded when the Pats let some guys walk as free agents the year before.
I mean the people that drafted Lewis were working for BB the year before. There is a good likelihood BB would have drafted him as well.

Also extra sixth-round pick vs. extra first round pick, I think some credit should be given to the person who brings in an extra high-value pick, even if he did not get to use it.
 

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LOL, yeah I mean the criticism is, what, that he was very, very serious about his job and wasn't willing to chit chat with the owner while preparing for games during the week? Absolutely hilarious.
That is great. It'd be fun to see a graph of how much time BB allotted Modell from day 1 until the end.
 

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Modell lost the team because (i) there were a ton of expenses he didn't anticipate - like buying out his minority partners, paying $23M towards the stadium and paying a $29M relocation fee - it is said that the move cost him $185M - and (ii) unlike very many owners at the time (and any current owner), the football team was his sole source of wealth.

The sale was technically mandated because his various loans were in technical default (did not meet operating revenue to debt service covenants) and while he got a $85M loan from the NFL to tide him over, it was only for a year and he had to find equity to meet the various loan covenants. However, it was clear that there really wasn't anyone willing to invest that kind of money for a perpetual minority interest.

Also, IIRC, he was trying to do some estate planning so that his family could keep the team.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bal-modell122099-story.html

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I seem to recall Modell lost megabucks gambling, but maybe that was just a rumor?
 

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This doesn't really belong here, but nowhere else to put it.

I just looked up what the Patriots did with the draft picks they got from the NYJ for Parcells:
1997 3rd (Sedrick Shaw) and 4th (Damon Denson)
1998 2nd (Tony Simmons)
1999 1st (Andy Katzenmoyer)

I.e., nothing.
 

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I mean the people that drafted Lewis were working for BB the year before. There is a good likelihood BB would have drafted him as well.

Also extra sixth-round pick vs. extra first round pick, I think some credit should be given to the person who brings in an extra high-value pick, even if he did not get to use it.
Fine-he had something to do with the Baltimore team that won the Super Bowl. He was five years removed at that point, but they picked Ray Lewis with the pick that he had traded for, so he gets some credit.

He took over a team that in went 3-13 in 1990. In 1990, the only team with a worse record was, wait for it.... our New England Patriots, who were 1-15 and generationally, if not historically bad. And yet the Browns were even worse on defense, giving up 462 points, vs. 446 by the Patriots. By 1994 they were the best defense in the league, giving up only 204 points, a stingy 12.8 per game. Four defensive players made the Pro Bowl, and one was a first team all pro. They won their first round playoff game against the Pats, and then lost to the Steelers.

I don't think it is necessary to embellish BB's role in building the Ravens Super Bowl winner, because to me doing so actually diminishes what he did on the field for the Browns, which was pretty damned impressive.
 

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Ah yes, Bobby Grier's alliteration picks of 1997. Chris Canty, Sedrick Shaw, Chris Carter, Damon Denson, Ed Ellis. None of whom were worth a damn. My God.
Like a Michael Bay movie. Were it not for BB, we'd be the sons of Leonta Rhemes.
 

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I don't think it is necessary to embellish BB's role in building the Ravens Super Bowl winner, because to me doing so actually diminishes what he did on the field for the Browns, which was pretty damned impressive.
You are right, I am an idiot for arguing that point. Also, I for some reason thought it was quicker than 5 years after they moved.
 
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This doesn't really belong here, but nowhere else to put it.

I just looked up what the Patriots did with the draft picks they got from the NYJ for Parcells:
1997 3rd (Sedrick Shaw) and 4th (Damon Denson)
1998 2nd (Tony Simmons)
1999 1st (Andy Katzenmoyer)

I.e., nothing.
Katzenmoyer was turning into a decent player before his injuries. Simmons was the Michael Bishop of WRs.
 

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Watch A Football Life on Paul Brown – Modell did the exact same thing to him.
Yup. This is the most damning possible thing you can say about Art Modell from a solely football perspective. He couldn't get along with Paul Brown and Bill Belichick! There's no way any other NFL owner in history has ever had his head so far up his ass in his outsized self regard that he's been unable to get along with two of the greatest coaches ever, is there?