Good for them. LeBron will be out protesting and mobilizing voters. For years, people have told Kaepernick to shut up and make change rather than complain about it, well here you go. I'm guessing those same people will not applaud his efforts.
Look, on a hot button issue like this one, maybe your problem is the bolded and you might want to take some time to look into the whole thing before tripling and quadrupling down. Just my $0.02For example, defunding the police - I don't know enough about it to know if it's the right answer or not
LeBron might feel he has a bigger responsibility to the community at large than to the NBA community.The owners will terminate the CBA if the NBA season is canceled. That would almost certainly lead to a lockout next season, and have long term ramifications.
Lebron's legacy and wealth is set. The younger players may not be prepared to make this big decision within the course of a 2 hr meeting.
I feel for the players. This has to be a really tough decision.
I’m sorry for the unimportant interlude but I need a minute here...Udonis Haslem is STILL ACTIVE? Does he need to hit a certain number of years before the Miami bylaws demand that he be memorialized in stature form?
Frankly, the movement needed allies four years ago but a metric fucktonne of people failed Colin Kaepernick. Where are we today if, oh I dunno, coworkers Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers took a knee? Would have cost them nothing.Good for them. LeBron will be out protesting and mobilizing voters. For years, people have told Kaepernick to shut up and make change rather than complain about it, well here you go. I'm guessing those same people will not applaud his efforts.
Honestly, I think there's room to applaud all the players in this. They're all working toward an admirable goal. Not my place to say if it's better to do that from afar (LAL & LAC) or with access to cameras and TV for the next month of playoff action. I think there's something to be said for us not hearing much about the non-bubble players who are undoubtedly doing great things in their communities. It just doesn't get the same coverage. I have zero issues with whatever the Celtics decide.The other teams should keep playing then. If they all wanted to stop, that's one thing. But if they all wanted to keep playing except LeBron and the Clips....then clearly they're not unified on this and shouldn't feel forced to give in.
Very well put. MJ avoided these scenarios, LBJ is embracing it. Beyond all his other good deeds, like funding that school in Akron. I cannot stand LBJ as a player but as a PERSON, LBJ is a good person and I think genuinely cares.LeBron is showing that he’s the leader that MJ never wanted to be
You mean like I did in my initial response to him upthread? Sure.I know you're not talking to me, but they can always simply ask instead of just wondering or assuming, right?
It probably was an informal vote or a hypothetical that was brought up and both LA teams said they don't want to play.Did some of them walkout and say "oh shit" or something?
Perhaps it’s a bit of a power move by LAL and LAC to put more pressure on the owners to actually do something significant tomorrow at their board of governors meeting.The Clippers and Lakers voting on perhaps not continuing with the season was considered more of a polling, than a final vote, sources tell ESPN. The resumption of the playoffs remains still up in the air.
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Sure. Not everyone does that though.You mean like I did in my initial response to him upthread? Sure.
I don't think categories like "owners" and "labor dispute" really describe the dynamics at work here. Right now, the players hold all the leverage. When Silver speaks about shifting from an Owner paradigm to language like "partnership" in today's NBA he's looking for a way to describe a fundamentally new dynamic.Well, at its core as far as the NBA owners are concerned, it's a labor dispute now and it seems like they're going to have to make some kind of concessions to the players if the players are going to finish the season. I'm using appeasement in the literal sense of the word here.
Bubble infighting isn’t good for anything.
These opinions seem to be positioned solely through the lens of the NBA. I’d say either of these things happening, provided they are accompanied by societal progress, are really far from the worst possible outcome.A fractured league is seemingly the worst possible outcome here.
This is the Port Cellar...These opinions seem to be positioned solely through the lens of the NBA. I’d say either of these things happening, provided they are accompanied by societal progress, are really far from the worst possible outcome.
Why would we expect there to be one unified voice or message? And why would that be important for the message? I don’t follow the logic or the parameters.I think we can all agree, maybe, that the players will need to unify one way or the other. If this turns into a public clusterfuck, which would be inevitable given how everything leaks nothing in the league is a secret, it would be bad for the players’ messaging and bad for the league as a whole. A fractured league is seemingly the worst possible outcome here.
I don’t understand your point, but it doesn’t really feel worth pursuing, so feel free to ignore.Sure. Not everyone does that though.
I think if it becomes a public soap opera the league drama will become a distraction from any individual player’s message.Why would we expect there to be one unified voice or message? And why would that be important for the message? I don’t follow the logic or the parameters.
There really isn't any drama though. They are unified in the fact that change needs to be made. Cooler heads will prevail tomorrow or the next day and there will be a way to move forward either avenue they pick.I think if it becomes a public soap opera the league drama will become a distraction from any individual player’s message.
Did I miss where this action was taken to be in the best interests of the league and not society? If you’re only interested in how this affects the playoffs and salaries that’s fine I guess, but it doesn’t change my reply to those posts without that qualifier.This is the Port Cellar...
Didn't mean to come off as snarky but this is the place to discuss the NBA through the lens of the NBA.
He's the best.
Yeah, this is my hope. I do think there was a lot of drama in the past few hours though.There really isn't any drama though. They are unified in the fact that change needs to be made. Cooler heads will prevail tomorrow or the next day and there will be a way to move forward either avenue they pick.
Equating with what's going on to soap opert is telling. And then calling it drama? They should just shut up and dribble, eh?I think if it becomes a public soap opera the league drama will become a distraction from any individual player’s message.
no, the players don't need to agree nor (to drag up an old topic) do the protestors have to have a unified message).I think we can all agree, maybe, that the players will need to unify one way or the other. If this turns into a public clusterfuck, which would be inevitable given how everything leaks nothing in the league is a secret, it would be bad for the players’ messaging and bad for the league as a whole. A fractured league is seemingly the worst possible outcome here.
On the flip side, Kaepernick really and truly did start this whole ball rolling, his sacrifice motivated many other people to view their sport as a vehicle to make a social protest, and so I think it'll be his name in the history books long after the vast majority of his contemporaries have passed peoples' lips for the final time. That'll be more comfort than many NFL athletes get once their playing days are over.Colin Kapernick lost the prime years of his career, tens of millions of dollars, and has been made out as a villain and traitor for most of the country, for taking this stand.
This is not without risk for the players.
Oh Jesus, forget it. I’ve always kept my cool on this site but this really pisses me off. I didn’t say anything even close to that. Public infighting, if it happens, would be classic NBA Twitter fodder that could distract from the bigger picture.They should just shut up and dribble, eh?
Sources: Lakers forward LeBron James and Clippers forward Kawhi Leonard both spoke up in the players meeting Wednesday night and were adamant about not playing the rest of the playoffs and they wanted change. The players will have another meeting at 11 am East time Thursday.
Let’s say Lakers and Clippers are, indeed, out but everyone else wishes to remain. You could just have Blazers/Mavs play in the WCF and the East remains untouched. People would obviously put an asterisk on whoever wins but they probably do that anyways. Logistically, it could work.
Wasn't LBJ one of the guys warning what would happen to the salary cap if the season didn't start?
If it distracts from the bigger picture, those people are choosing to look away.Oh Jesus, forget it. I’ve always kept my cool on this site but this really pisses me off. I didn’t say anything even close to that. Public infighting, if it happens, would be classic NBA Twitter fodder that could distract from the bigger picture.
How would this distraction play out where it isn’t ancillary attention to the issue driving it?If it distracts from the bigger picture
Don't let PC get you frustrated, his accusation was bullshit but lobbing those around is kind of his shtick.Oh Jesus, forget it. I’ve always kept my cool on this site but this really pisses me off. I didn’t say anything even close to that. Public infighting, if it happens, would be classic NBA Twitter fodder that could distract from the bigger picture.