Gonna be great when they introduce him in a press conference and he holds up an away Red Sox jersey #23 with a "D" duct taped over "Ch" on the back.
Shocked. Thrilled. Can't believe we got rid of him.Best trade of the day.
I wish he would mix his pitches up moreI've watched the video above for a full minute and I've got to say I'm amazed at the consistency of his delivery!
What a buzzkill that trade turned out to be.Please be better than Sauerbeck was.
For forgotten wunderkind Freddy Sanchez.What a buzzkill that trade turned out to be.
Sanchez had a moment there with the Pirates to the tune of 200 hits in 2006. Was starting to think what could have been. Then Pedey came to patrol 2nd base for the Sox the following season and all was forgotten!For forgotten wunderkind Freddy Sanchez.
He had a moment for the Red Sox too. Didn't he set the assist record or something like that?Sanchez had a moment there with the Pirates to the tune of 200 hits in 2006. Was starting to think what could have been. Then Pedey came to patrol 2nd base for the Sox the following season and all was forgotten!
I thought he had more time with the big club, but only played 32 games and 120 or so innings between 2002 and 2003.He had a moment for the Red Sox too. Didn't he set the assist record or something like that?
Yea, 10 assists in a game at 3b. One of the MLB record but the Sox record.I thought he had more time with the big club, but only played 32 games and 120 or so innings between 2002 and 2003.
Freddie wasn't traded for Sauerbeck. According to BRef, Sauerbeck was acquired with Mike Gonzalez from Pittsburgh for Brandon Lyon and the immortal (to some) Anastacio Martinez on July 22, 2003.For forgotten wunderkind Freddy Sanchez.
Agreed. What he does seem to offer is a lot of strikeouts - 78 K in 71.1 innings in his career. But this accompanied by 74 hits, 33 walks, and a WHIP of 1.493.I'm interested to see how these relievers turn out. Bloom's MO with the Rays was pitching development and the Rays are the kings of turning nobodys into legitimate relievers. I doubt these were kneejerk reaction trades, I am sure the Sox saw something they liked and could work with. There was no way we were going to match the Kimbrel acquisition cost.
Wasn't there an issue with the health of a pitcher in that trade? Brandon Lyon I think was hurt and they ruled the Sox knew about it and didn't disclose or something, so the trade was undone.Freddie wasn't traded for Sauerbeck. According to BRef, Sauerbeck was acquired with Mike Gonzalez from Pittsburgh for Brandon Lyon and the immortal (to some) Anastacio Martinez on July 22, 2003.
Nine days later on July 31, 2003 the Red Sox made another trade with Pittsburgh sending Freddie Sanchez and Mike Gonzalez to the Pirates for Jeff Suppan, Anastacio Martinez and Brandon Lyon.
You read that right. Three of the four players in the first deal were returned to their original team nine days later. I don't remember if anyone commented on it at the time. It's easy to see how the trades could be confused.
Suppan wasn't much good for the Sox down the home stretch, as I recall, but he was no Sauerbeck. Freddie won the National League batting title with .344 during his golden year of 2006. He slid off fairly rapidly after that.
There was an issue with Brandon Lyon's medicals discovered after the trade. The second trade was an attempt to clean up the mess, and also get another starter in Suppan.Freddie wasn't traded for Sauerbeck. According to BRef, Sauerbeck was acquired with Mike Gonzalez from Pittsburgh for Brandon Lyon and the immortal (to some) Anastacio Martinez on July 22, 2003.
Nine days later on July 31, 2003 the Red Sox made another trade with Pittsburgh sending Freddie Sanchez and Mike Gonzalez to the Pirates for Jeff Suppan, Anastacio Martinez and Brandon Lyon.
You read that right. Three of the four players in the first deal were returned to their original team nine days later. I don't remember if anyone commented on it at the time. It's easy to see how the trades could be confused.
Suppan wasn't much good for the Sox down the home stretch, as I recall, but he was no Sauerbeck. Freddie won the National League batting title with .344 during his golden year of 2006. He slid off fairly rapidly after that.
I was at "The Freddy Sanchez Game"! We were definitely eating it up. Sat in the bleachers right behind the visitor's bullpen. Astros pen was loaded that year. Said what's up to Octavia Dotel in my best high school Spanish. Think DLowe started that day, which would explain why Freddy had so many grounders to field.Yea, 10 assists in a game at 3b. One of the MLB record but the Sox record.
https://www.latimes.com/socal/glendale-news-press/news/tn-gnp-xpm-2003-07-19-export17159-story.html
I remember the crowd eating it up.
Yes and the revised trade had Sanchez in it.Wasn't there an issue with the health of a pitcher in that trade? Brandon Lyon I think was hurt and they ruled the Sox knew about it and didn't disclose or something, so the trade was undone.
You read that right. Three of the four players in the first deal were returned to their original team nine days later. I don't remember if anyone commented on it at the time. It's easy to see how the trades could be confused.
What, Jeff Suppan wasn't available?For forgotten wunderkind Freddy Sanchez.
Come on Nip. That was the Pedro 2004 game 3 WS. I. Was at at that game.Suppan was drafted by the Sox, left to the Diamondbacks in the expansion draft, ended up having a few decent seasons then was traded to the Sox where he sucked ass and left for the Cards. Fortunately for us he sucked even more on the base paths helping us win game 3 of the 07 World Series by doing dumb stuff.
Pedro slapping Suppan on the ass after he was tagged out was a highlight of the 2004 WS.Come on Nip. That was the Pedro 2004 game 3 WS. I. Was at at that game.
Never has a trade added so much, by sending so little away.Shocked. Thrilled. Can't believe we got rid of him.
It was Walker, not Suppan, after Manny threw him out. Suppan was tagged out at third in that game after the base running error.I thought he slapped Larry Walker (after he was thrown out at the plate).
He's a never-fail-to-mention/signal-it Christian, crossing himself before every damn swing, who doped and was caught, earning an 80 day suspension. His stars-and-stripes arm armor is just part and parcel of the obnoxiousness. Yes Michael, you're a proud American, I get it - so proud, you've done what for your country exactly?Man, reading through this board you would think Chavis was a complete scumbag haha. What is up with all the vitriol? 2019 was a solid year and he did whatever he was asked without complaints. Yea, sure, he sucked this year but I hope he can pull it together in Pittsburgh.
Well put. I already found him to be our most frustrating guy coming into the year. This silly performance made it worse for me. Too bad the Rockies no longer make roster decisions on faith alone, he might have gotten us Cron.He's a never-fail-to-mention/signal-it Christian, crossing himself before every damn swing, who doped and was caught, earning an 80 day suspension. His stars-and-stripes arm armor is just part and parcel of the obnoxiousness. Yes Michael, you're a proud American, I get it - so proud, you've done what for your country exactly?
He may be a nice guy, and I have nothing against him personally; may he prosper in Pittsburgh and grow up as well. Meanwhile, I won't miss watching the faux-righteousness.
Its got to be tough for a kid from Georgia to come up to the Northeast where the majority of people are not religious nor particularly proud of the country they live in. Complete 180 from where he's from. I'm not sure he's putting on some kind of false image. It could be just who he is.He's a never-fail-to-mention/signal-it Christian, crossing himself before every damn swing, who doped and was caught, earning an 80 day suspension. His stars-and-stripes arm armor is just part and parcel of the obnoxiousness. Yes Michael, you're a proud American, I get it - so proud, you've done what for your country exactly?
He may be a nice guy, and I have nothing against him personally; may he prosper in Pittsburgh and grow up as well. Meanwhile, I won't miss watching the faux-righteousness.
After all that you said in the first paragraph and in the last sentence of the post, you claim to have nothing against him personally?He's a never-fail-to-mention/signal-it Christian, crossing himself before every damn swing, who doped and was caught, earning an 80 day suspension. His stars-and-stripes arm armor is just part and parcel of the obnoxiousness. Yes Michael, you're a proud American, I get it - so proud, you've done what for your country exactly?
He may be a nice guy, and I have nothing against him personally; may he prosper in Pittsburgh and grow up as well. Meanwhile, I won't miss watching the faux-righteousness.
I’m wondering how much time you have spent in the northeast.Its got to be tough for a kid from Georgia to come up to the Northeast where the majority of people are not religious nor particularly proud of the country they live in. Complete 180 from where he's from. I'm not sure he's putting on some kind of false image. It could be just who he is.
But who knows, maybe you're right and it's all fake.
I'm not saying he's a non-believer, or that he has no right to see positive things in the US. I am saying his blatant and constant signaling of that is obnoxious, especially when he broke the strongest rules in the one thing he's done in his life (AFAIK - which is to play baseball) by cheating and using PEDs. I know plenty of godly people who don't publicly display it in everything they do. Oddly, they also tend to follow the law and the rules of their profession.Its got to be tough for a kid from Georgia to come up to the Northeast where the majority of people are not religious nor particularly proud of the country they live in. Complete 180 from where he's from. I'm not sure he's putting on some kind of false image. It could be just who he is.
But who knows, maybe you're right and it's all fake.
Horseshit.From your own words it seems like you’ve got a hell of a lot against him personally.
Look, I don’t really care that much and it doesn’t matter to me at all what you think of him. But you can’t say the things you said about him and then say you’ve got nothing against him personally.Horseshit.
This is exactly right. I didn't feel like being the one to call it out and get into that back-and-forth, but I'm glad someone did.Look, I don’t really care that much and it doesn’t matter to me at all what you think of him. But you can’t say the things you said about him and then say you’ve got nothing against him personally.
You can say I’m wrong (in a much more colorful way), but all those criticisms of him in that post were personal attacks.
I’m not even necessarily disagreeing with your takes on him. But what are they if not “personal”?
It’s ok. You can own it.
I don't know, he's in the big leagues!It's likely that God doesn't care for him all that much so doesn't bless him with good baseball skills, correct?
I’m not even necessarily disagreeing with your takes on him. But what are they if not “personal”?
They're not personal, because they're not criticisms based in the personal or private sphere, as opposed to the public sphere. I really don't know Chavis personally. I don't know if he kicks his dog or is the most generous friend a man could hope to have. I have no idea what his sexual practices are, or his private politics, or his personal religious observances, and frankly, they're none of my business anyway.Criticizing someone for being outwardly religious and patriotic is so on-brand for SoSH, it almost doesn't even register anymore.
I agree. I think reading through this thread would leave a person thinking that Chavis was some sort of far right wing nut job like Curt Schilling instead of a player needing a change of scenery. Did the guy suck in 2020 and this year? Yes. Did he deserve the hatred and vitriol he got this year? Not in the least.Man, reading through this board you would think Chavis was a complete scumbag haha. What is up with all the vitriol? 2019 was a solid year and he did whatever he was asked without complaints. Yea, sure, he sucked this year but I hope he can pull it together in Pittsburgh.
I thought this was brilliant. I wish I could have written it.He's a never-fail-to-mention/signal-it Christian, crossing himself before every damn swing, who doped and was caught, earning an 80 day suspension. His stars-and-stripes arm armor is just part and parcel of the obnoxiousness. Yes Michael, you're a proud American, I get it - so proud, you've done what for your country exactly?
He may be a nice guy, and I have nothing against him personally; may he prosper in Pittsburgh and grow up as well. Meanwhile, I won't miss watching the faux-righteousness.