huh..what? trying to decipher....Fultz doesn't look like he wants to play.
Also, Scal said that Caron Butler said that Fultz's shoulder injury forced Fultz how to eat with a fork again. Who's buying that?
I was also wondering what sort of non-cerebral “nerve damage” would cause you to forget how to eat with a fork.Fultz doesn't look like he wants to play.
Also, Scal said that Caron Butler said that Fultz's shoulder injury forced Fultz how to eat with a fork again. Who's buying that?
Put the words “to relearn” before “how”.huh..what? trying to decipher....
If you could take all of waters’s intelligence and skill and put it in Fultz’s body, he’d be exactly what Fultz was supposed to be.It's too bad for Markelle that Tremont Waters is a better player.
espn analytics guy had Fultz as a typical number 2 overall guy based on numbers.I went through this in another thread, but the median assumption for a player of Fultz's caliber (consensus #1 pick in a draft that isn't weak at the top) is that barring injury, he'll be at least as good a baller as Blake Griffin, if not better (obviously apples and oranges, as BG is a completely different player, but you get my point). That's not "assum[ing] dramatic events"; it's a sober assessment of how good guys with that pedigree who don't get seriously hurt end up being.
Tatum has the highest floor by far of any of this year's first four picks (barring injury, an athletic 6-8 guy who was a star in college and can shoot the rock won't fail to be a useful NBA player), but the conventional wisdom says his median projection isn't on par with a consensus #1 pick like Fultz. So while anything could happen, Danny is making a big bet against the conventional wisdom.
I know we all love Waters as the scrappy underdog guy but that's not really fair to Fultz. Fultz is - and always has been - super skilled. He's got great handle; he can get anywhere he wants on the court; and while he's not Dennis Smith Jr., he's pretty athletic for a PG.If you could take all of waters’s intelligence and skill and put it in Fultz’s body, he’d be exactly what Fultz was supposed to be.
Doesn't make sense to me. Fultz was always lauded for his court vision. In fact, he ended up the Magic's assist leader during this preseason: https://www.nba.com/magic/team-continuity-ross-says-could-help-magic-get-fast-start-regular-season-20191017.There are individual skills and team skills. Waters always knows where his teammates are on the court. Fultz doesn't as far as I can tell.
Not afraid to admit it; I was mad when they traded the pick and was in the clear "Just take Fultz!" camp.Doesn't make sense to me. Fultz was always lauded for his court vision. In fact, he ended up the Magic's assist leader during this preseason: https://www.nba.com/magic/team-continuity-ross-says-could-help-magic-get-fast-start-regular-season-20191017.
I know people like to crap on Fultz but let's not forget that most of us - me included - would have been ecstactic if the Cs drafted him. Because he was good.
What's that based on? We've seen him play one year in college, a year in which most people didn't see him much, and that's pretty much it.Fultz' assist numbers in his senior year at DeMatha and at Washington were good, but to me he doesn't seem to be an instinctive distributor. Maybe I'm missing something.
Markelle always seems loose/disinterested when bringing the ball up. He had a lot of turnovers along with those assists this preseason.What's that based on? We've seen him play one year in college, a year in which most people didn't see him much, and that's pretty much it.
What do you see that makes you think he's not "instinctive"?
I wasn't a Fultz guy entering the draft and questioned both his lack of explosiveness and his mental makeup. There will always be the bizarre situation with a knee injury that he supposedly had at UW which caused him to come in and out of games on a couple different occasions prior to shutting it down for the year only to show up a couple month later with seemingly 20 extra lbs on him...….just weird stuff coming from a guard and the projected #1 pick in the upcoming draft which I questioned here leading up to the draft. Of course, nobody could have ever predicted what we are witnessing.I know we all love Waters as the scrappy underdog guy but that's not really fair to Fultz. Fultz is - and always has been - super skilled. He's got great handle; he can get anywhere he wants on the court; and while he's not Dennis Smith Jr., he's pretty athletic for a PG.
His only problem is that for whatever reason - whether physical or mental or what not - he can't shoot. And in the NBA, if you can't shoot, you're not going to play much unless you're Ben Simmons (or the team isn't trying to win).
From what I can tell, Waters has a plus handle and lots of skills. Fultz was never an all world athlete. He was a good athlete who used a great handle and a bevy of hesitation moves to create separation and score. In college he was a questionable shooter. He shot 40% from 3 but in the 60’s from the free throw line. He was a decent distributor, Waters is actually better. Additionally Waters has better hands as his SEC DPoY trophy will attest. The reason Waters was a second round pick instead of high lottery is his size. He’s not just short, he’s 170 lbs soaking wet. If you put him in Fultz’s body he’d have been considered at #2 overall and you’d have to have been an idiot to not take him at #3.I know we all love Waters as the scrappy underdog guy but that's not really fair to Fultz. Fultz is - and always has been - super skilled. He's got great handle; he can get anywhere he wants on the court; and while he's not Dennis Smith Jr., he's pretty athletic for a PG.
His only problem is that for whatever reason - whether physical or mental or what not - he can't shoot. And in the NBA, if you can't shoot, you're not going to play much unless you're Ben Simmons (or the team isn't trying to win).
Pretty sure Fultz doesn’t peruse SOSH.I have to say I've enjoyed a certain amount of schadenfreude about the Sixers/Fulz goings on - especially given the deliciousness that was the trade Danny managed. I think most of it was rooted in not wanting to see tankers benefit from the effort.
I also have to say that at this point I'm just hoping this kid manages to climb all the way out of this hole that's been dug around him. He's a young kid who's really done nothing to justify my sad enjoyment of his professional struggles. I hope he continues to get after it and ignores jerks like me.
That's not what I was told.Pretty sure Fultz doesn’t peruse SOSH.
Lonzo's shot still looks funky too, but it's way better.Yea, that shot looks like someone who is still way overthinking
Aside from defenders pleading for him to shoot an uncontested jumper like you'd do to the 14-year old kid in an adult pickup game? I hope the kid salvages his career too as it would be a monumental climb from where he was a year ago but man that is the slowest NBA release I've seen since Manute was launching 3's for Don Nelson.Happy for him too, and no hitch there, but something is still weird with that shot.
It's more of a push shot than a jump shot - the kind of shot that 9 year olds do.Happy for him too, and no hitch there, but something is still weird with that shot.
Yeah--if he hits a few teams will close out a bit quicker and the time he has to get it off will shrink considerably.It's more of a push shot than a jump shot - the kind of shot that 9 year olds do.
Not saying that it can't be accurate but it's not often that a guy can get off that shot in the NBA given (i) how slow it is (as noted by HRB) and (ii) how low the release is.
At that point doesn't it make it pretty easy for him to drive to the hoop - which is clearly a strength?Yeah--if he hits a few teams will close out a bit quicker and the time he has to get it off will shrink considerably.
I mean it makes Horford’s release look like Stef’s. You could time that with a bloody sundial.Aside from defenders pleading for him to shoot an uncontested jumper like you'd do to the 14-year old kid in an adult pickup game? I hope the kid salvages his career too as it would be a monumental climb from where he was a year ago but man that is the slowest NBA release I've seen since Manute was launching 3's for Don Nelson.
Rumors still flying about a trade with the Spurs for DeRozan.Fultz is averaging over 9 drives a game and Clifford wants that to be around 14. Good things happen to ORL when he does that. Here's an article that summarizes:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-sp-magic-fultz-downhill-20191117-gtwg4pb4sfcjxcdgaxumecysze-story.html.
Keep an eye on this team. They have length and talent; they desperately need some guard play.
What would Orlando send back? I guess Fournier (playing well) & Fultz works money/cap-wise. Fournier would also check Pop's penchant for foreign players.Rumors still flying about a trade with the Spurs for DeRozan.
Assuming the Spurs continue their descent to make moving DeRozan more of a possibility I would expect the Spurs to require one of Isaac/Bamba (obv along with Fultz) and a draft pick in any DeRozan deal. Bamba can be bought fairly low while Isaac of course would require a larger type deal. This would be a youth re-tool for the Spurs and they would probably look to move Gay in this deal as well. For someone long on the Magic and short on the Spurs in my season wagers I would drool with a trade of this sort. The Magic are desperate for scoring with the Aaron Gordon disappointment thus far and are at or near the bottom of nearly all offensive metrics. DeRozan would be a great fit as the defacto PG so Augustin doesn't have to be force used as a creator while allowing him to excel as a spot-up shooter playing off DeRozan. Having a scorer/creator off the dribble like this would allow for others to slide into a more comfortable complimentary role rather than what is occurring now with everyone on the floor tying to do things outside of their game.What would Orlando send back? I guess Fournier (playing well) & Fultz works money/cap-wise. Fournier would also check Pop's penchant for foreign players.
Going for DeRozan is so Orlando-ish... it's hard to discount
Since you are long Orlando W/L, it would be rather ironic for you to gather the benefits of Fultz play.
I'm still not emotionally attached to Markelle and let him launch 3s at will.
I think a DeRozen for even Fultz/Bamba would make ORL worse in the long run but what do I know?Assuming the Spurs continue their descent to make moving DeRozan more of a possibility I would expect the Spurs to require one of Isaac/Bamba (obv along with Fultz) and a draft pick in any DeRozan deal. Bamba can be bought fairly low while Isaac of course would require a larger type deal. This would be a youth re-tool for the Spurs and they would probably look to move Gay in this deal as well. For someone long on the Magic and short on the Spurs in my season wagers I would drool with a trade of this sort. The Magic are desperate for scoring with the Aaron Gordon disappointment thus far and are at or near the bottom of nearly all offensive metrics. DeRozan would be a great fit as the defacto PG so Augustin doesn't have to be force used as a creator while allowing him to excel as a spot-up shooter playing off DeRozan. Having a scorer/creator off the dribble like this would allow for others to slide into a more comfortable complimentary role rather than what is occurring now with everyone on the floor tying to do things outside of their game.
To put Orlando's new and improved offense into its proper context, the Magic's last two games have been against......I think a DeRozen for even Fultz/Bamba would make ORL worse in the long run but what do I know?
From the article I posted earlier: "[Fultz] was inserted into the starting lineup on Nov. 2 against the Denver Nuggets. In his seven starts, the Magic are averaging 104.3 points, including 109.8 in their past five contests. The 109.8 clip would rank the Magic seventh in the NBA.
Over that five-game stretch from Nov. 5-15, the Magic were 13th in offensive rating (109.4). Fultz, meanwhile, has posted offensive ratings of 132, 116 and 144 his past three games."
If one compares each team's last five games, ORL's rating is second best (behind the Cs): https://www.nba.com/magic/magic-had-nbas-fourth-best-offensive-rating-during-five-game-home-stand-20191117.
If it were me, I'd let this lineup play for awhile before moving Fultz.