the 2022 broncos said hiIt isn't hyperbole to say this is the worst coached team in the NFL, well maybe the Colts will give them a run for their money but the list is very short.
the 2022 broncos said hiIt isn't hyperbole to say this is the worst coached team in the NFL, well maybe the Colts will give them a run for their money but the list is very short.
They were really, really good without all of those guys except for one (ok, and Scar).- Brady
- Gronk
- White
- Hightower
- Scarnecchia
- McDaniels
- Flores
This is why I say it’s like a Celtics player dribbling the wrong way in the last seconds to score a layup for the other team. It’s something that maybe you’d think might happen in 4th grade rec basketball but isn’t something you’d ever need to coach in the NBA. It’s just so utterly incomprehensible. I like the way you put it - it defies basic quantum fundamentals of football.Two guys completely losing their minds shouldn’t just happen though. Brady and Welker were sins of commission, they made physical mistakes but were at least playing sound football. Hell, Matt Dodge tried to kick the ball out of bounds, he just failed at it.
What Meyers did today was well beyond the physical mistake area. I just cannot understand what he thought would happen even if he got the ball to Mac. It defies the basic quantum fundamentals of football.
as a broncos fan i wouild take him in a heartbeat allready ready on def just need a better OL and qb lolIf he wants to pass Schula, there are a number of franchises who would love to sell seats to taht. Might be time to start anew.
So it was the coaches fault. Right? That’s what you’re saying. The coaches are so bad that both Rham and Jakobi made utterly dumb plays that there is no other explanation than that Bill is so bad at his job that he essentially made them do it?Two guys completely losing their minds shouldn’t just happen though. Brady and Welker were sins of commission, they made physical mistakes but were at least playing sound football. Hell, Matt Dodge tried to kick the ball out of bounds, he just failed at it.
What Meyers did today was well beyond the physical mistake area. I just cannot understand what he thought would happen even if he got the ball to Mac. It defies the basic quantum fundamentals of football.
The downside risk of moving on from Bill is considerable and as of yet hasn’t been addressed by people who want him gone after the season.i know some of u want to get rid of bill and i understand but it can get worse at coach hactett makes patrica look like dungy
I'm actually OK with the draw given that it was a tie game. Lower risk than a Hail Mary attempt that could result in a strip sack or underthrown ball. The hope is that you can catch the Raiders off guard a bit and Stevenson can juke the defense in the 2nd level; stranger things have happened. Unfortunately, stranger things did happen.Also, Meyers’ idiocy overshadows a bigger point: why on EARTH weren’t they running a Hail Mary instead of a goddamn draw play? THAT is on BB. Throw the fucking ball into the end zone!
Maybe I’m wrong but I’m also hard pressed to believe that BB will happily accept any OC or coaching staff change forced on him by the Krafts. I think your options realistically are (1) accept BBS plan to change the offense which may or may not involve the kind of changes folks want or (2) hope he retires and if not fire him.The downside risk of moving on from Bill is considerable and as of yet hasn’t been addressed by people who want him gone after the season.
This is true. I think he’s having his worst year here by far, and this is a very poorly coached team. And, he absolutely has to make major staff changes in the offseason, that he really just can’t balk at. But, if anyone has ever earned a mulligan, he has. And unless people have a specific name(s) in mind of who they think will do a better job, and who are actually available, firing him just to fire him is a reactionary, and foolish take, IMO.The downside risk of moving on from Bill is considerable and as of yet hasn’t been addressed by people who want him gone after the season.
My best guess, based on nothing more than watching how Belichick has done things over the past 22 years, is that there's a better than 50/50 chance that Patricia is still around next season involved in the offense in some capacity. And there is zero chance the team moves on from Bill; too much crazy talk in this thread. The team's GM rebuilt the defense that was badly aging out a couple of seasons ago.Maybe I’m wrong but I’m also hard pressed to believe that BB will happily accept any OC or coaching staff change forced on him by the Krafts. I think your options realistically are (1) accept BBS plan to change the offense which may or may not involve the kind of changes folks want or (2) hope he retires and if not fire him.
BB is losing leverage every day with the Krafts. This season is likely to end 7-10/8-9 so that’s 2 of the last 3 years with losing records after it was Bill who decided to move on from Brady. That needs to be a major factor in his future along with how poor his player evaluations have been in free agency wasting a boatload of Kraft’s money on garbage players.Maybe I’m wrong but I’m also hard pressed to believe that BB will happily accept any OC or coaching staff change forced on him by the Krafts. I think your options realistically are (1) accept BBS plan to change the offense which may or may not involve the kind of changes folks want or (2) hope he retires and if not fire him.
I don’t think that either the Krafts or BB will approach it that way. The Krafts wouldn’t even know who to ‘require’ Bill to hire in lieu of Patricia, and they also know that. I think they’ll certainly discuss the concerns with the offensive coaching staff and Bill will have to sell a plan to them. I just don’t think they’ll launch ultimatums at him. And for Bill’s part, and while I’m prepared to be wrong, I don’t think Bill will roll into a meeting with Bob and Jonathan with a status quo proposal. Bill has a great set up with the Pats and won’t want to start over somewhere else, so I think he will recognize the value in appeasing his bosses. If he did brush the Krafts off and essentially pursue a status quo approach to the staff, then I think the conversation could get dicey. I just don’t see that happening.Maybe I’m wrong but I’m also hard pressed to believe that BB will happily accept any OC or coaching staff change forced on him by the Krafts. I think your options realistically are (1) accept BBS plan to change the offense which may or may not involve the kind of changes folks want or (2) hope he retires and if not fire him.
I think you’re right; I think the most likely result is there are changes we can’t see to streamline playcalling so there aren’t so many timeouts, delays etc, they get some more oline coaching help and they also hope Patricia gets better with practice. That won’t make anyone here happyMy best guess, based on nothing more than watching how Belichick has done things over the past 22 years, is that there's a better than 50/50 chance that Patricia is still around next season involved in the offense in some capacity. And there is zero chance the team moves on from Bill; too much crazy talk in this thread. The team's GM rebuilt the defense that was badly aging out a couple of seasons ago.
Still, Kraft's patience isn't infinite, and the offense will be expected to show signs of life next season or Bill's seat could definitely get warm. Mac and the inept offense were a far bigger problem in this game than Jakobi's Boner.
Kraft signed off on the Brady decision. And Belichick's recent success in the last couple of drafts (Uche had a great game; Stevenson; various Joneses not named Mac; the other Harris; Strange and Onwenu were all on the positive side of ledger today) will be factored in. Also, Judon was a damn good FA sign.BB is losing leverage every day with the Krafts. This season is likely to end 7-10/8-9 so that’s 2 of the last 3 years with losing records after it was Bill who decided to move on from Brady. That needs to be a major factor in his future along with how poor his player evaluations have been in free agency wasting a boatload of Kraft’s money on garbage players.
May?The scary thing is - if BB is fired (he won't and shouldn't be) - we may get someone far worse in return, and we pine for the days for even late-career BB.
YMMV, but it just seemed like another example of his SOP of killing off discussing something he doesn't want to talk about.Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Bill's "it's too late in the season to make a change" answer when asked about the offensive leadership a week or two ago imply that Matty P will be reassigned after the season? I haven't heard any full-throated defenses of the offensive game plan from BB in the second half of the year.
I'd prefer Brian Flores. Knows the culture at Foxborough, did fairly well to turn around the Dolphins, and the Steelers D is still pretty good. They need a fresh start, and they need someone else to be in charge of drafting.This is true. I think he’s having his worst year here by far, and this is a very poorly coached team. And, he absolutely has to make major staff changes in the offseason, that he really just can’t balk at. But, if anyone has ever earned a mulligan, he has. And unless people have a specific name(s) in mind of who they think will do a better job, and who are actually available, firing him just to fire him is a reactionary, and foolish take, IMO.
Well you never know. The Sox have had really good luck with new managers coming in, they seem to win their first season which is also nice for the fans to welcome them in.May?
They are .500 without a quarterback or offensive coordinator. The next coach will almost definitely be worse than even current day Bill. They may bring a more exciting style, especially on the offensive side of the ball.
This is it. Bill certainly wasn’t making some cryptic comment about Patricia. He just didn’t want to talk about their offensive ineptitude.YMMV, but it just seemed like another example of his SOP of killing off discussing something he doesn't want to talk about.
Question for BB: Can you clarify your thoughts on Situation X?
Answer: I have already addressed Situation X in the statement* issued a couple of days ago. Next?
Question for BB: Who is going to be the playcaller on offense this season?
Answer: Look, we're months away from anyone having to call plays in a game. Next?
Question for BB: Do you see a need to make changes with the offense's coaching structure?
Answer: "I don’t think at this point making a lot of dramatic changes is – it’s too hard to do that." Next?
* Said statement usually says a whole lot of nothing.
He didn't want to throw anyone under the bus to the media. He has never done that in 22 years here, and he's not about to start doing it to Patricia just to satisfy some message board posters.This is it. Bill certainly wasn’t making some cryptic comment about Patricia. He just didn’t want to talk about their offensive ineptitude.
Honest question: why? Do you feel bad for Myles Bryant or any other player/coach who doesn’t work out? Patricia and Judge needed to be rehabilitated because of their own failings, some of which were entirely correctable, especially in Patricia’s case.I feel bad for Patricia and Judge
What does this mean? Could this team end up in the hands of someone who would coach it far worse than it is right now?The downside risk of moving on from Bill is considerable and as of yet hasn’t been addressed by people who want him gone after the season.
They’re making virtually nothing here - they’re still cashing those head coach checks.They’re probably making more here than anywhere else.
They would have lower titles elsewhere. Their salaries here, whatever they are, are likely higher than whatever salaries they could get elsewhere.They’re making virtually nothing here - they’re still cashing those head coach checks.
Yes, my point is that the team could end up in the hands of someone worse.What does this mean? Could this team end up in the hands of someone who would coach it far worse than it is right now?
People need to realize that BB is 70. He's not likely to drastically change up the way he does things and even if they turn this around, he's not going to be here forever. There is no obvious line of succession that he's grooming. I understand the fear of letting an era truly end, but I would love to know what this "downside risk" is at this point compared to where we are right now. If your answer is "the defense will fall into an abyss" then I might accept it, because the tire fires surrounding that defense don't make up for it.
They probably believed they could make this offense work and they were clearly delusional. I have empathy for those asked to do what they cannot.Honest question: why? Do you feel bad for Myles Bryant or any other player/coach who doesn’t work out? Patricia and Judge needed to be rehabilitated because of their own failings, some of which were entirely correctable, especially in Patricia’s case.
I don’t feel bad for these guys at all. They’re not even remotely qualified for their positions, yet, BB threw them a lifeline. They are lucky. They’re probably making more here than anywhere else.
That’s because their offense sucks and against better QBs you need them to actually score some points.The team is .500 and the defense has played well but when you look at their W's the best QB they have beaten is Jared Goff when DET was missing a lot of key players including Swift and I believe Amon-Ra. The other QBs NE have beaten are Zach Wilson X2, Ehlinger, McCoy, Brisett & Trubisky. Tonight the D was great for 80% of the game but when they needed a stop Carr went through them like a knife through warm butter.
I doubt this helps support your point (which I agree with) but in addition to my other basketball coaching duties, I also coach my fourth grade son's rec team. And at a crucial point yesterday I told this one player to "take the ball out; you inbound it." So he made a beeline to our bench to grab a spare ball out of the ball bag. I told my assistant there's no doubt in my mind his parents are blaming me for not specifying which ball to "take out."This is why I say it’s like a Celtics player dribbling the wrong way in the last seconds to score a layup for the other team. It’s something that maybe you’d think might happen in 4th grade rec basketball but isn’t something you’d ever need to coach in the NBA. It’s just so utterly incomprehensible. I like the way you put it - it defies basic quantum fundamentals of football.
I mean I've thought it was pretty clear the entire 'let's bring in two defensive people and have them coach the offense' was basically an attempt to figure out which one BB trusted on both sides of the ball to hand the reins to... it hasn't worked, but that's not the same as not tryingWhat does this mean? Could this team end up in the hands of someone who would coach it far worse than it is right now?
People need to realize that BB is 70. He's not likely to drastically change up the way he does things and even if they turn this around, he's not going to be here forever. There is no obvious line of succession that he's grooming. I understand the fear of letting an era truly end, but I would love to know what this "downside risk" is at this point compared to where we are right now. If your answer is "the defense will fall into an abyss" then I might accept it, because the tire fires surrounding that defense don't make up for it.
Yeah - this conversation strikes me a lot like those NCAA teams that sit around the 10-15 range for a few years, then the fans/boosters/athletic director start thinking 'we really should be contending for a national championship and this guy isn't good enough, let's fire him and we'll be champions!!', and they do that and then spend the next decade bouncing between coaches and going between sub-500 and 22nd ranked seasons.May?
They are .500 without a quarterback or offensive coordinator. The next coach will almost definitely be worse than even current day Bill. They may bring a more exciting style, especially on the offensive side of the ball.
His second worst day wasn't so great either.OJ loves this post.
Can we please please please have a new OC well as a new OL Coach next year? Is that too much to ask?Coming at this from a different angle: "Let's say BB stays on until he retires. What does that mean for the franchise?"
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Assuming he stays, what do the next few years realistically bring?