You must be new to SoSHLike we need more idiots walking around just making up their own facts?
You must be new to SoSHLike we need more idiots walking around just making up their own facts?
Uh, you realize there was talk of a sign and trade right? For Crowder? Cuz this post makes it seem like you don't. Because that's what he's referring to.Hayward was a free agent, you're better than this, agree about the sniping though.
You need to work on your compartmentalization skills.You can't hear something say something so fundamentally wrong and then say, "Eh, what's the biggie, won't change his jump shot?"
Uh, you realize there was talk of a sign and trade right? For Crowder? Cuz this post makes it seem like you don't. Because that's what he's referring to.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/report-celtics-jazz-engaged-in-sign-and-trade-talks-involving-hayward-crowder/
You need to work on your compartmentalization skills.
I'm not going proclaim Kyrie an unappreciated genius or anything, but he meets my "not a serial rapist" standard for sports fandom.
Sure, but your post made it seem that HRB didn't know Hayward was a FA and that there was not rumors of sign and trade.Yeah, but it was very very dumb
Irving isn't a something, and as I generally don't consult professional athletes on matters of astrophysics, I just don't care whether or not he really believes the earth is flat or if he's just trolling everyone.This is utterly absurd. You should care if Kyrie thinks the earth is flat. Everyone should care. If he really does believe this, it would be an abomination and while it really doesn't have an effect on his basketball skills, it will have an effect on his fans. Like we need more idiots walking around just making up their own facts?
You can't hear something say something so fundamentally wrong and then say, "Eh, what's the biggie, won't change his jump shot?"
It's not astro physics. It's a centuries old fact.Irving isn't a something, and as I generally don't consult professional athletes on matters of astrophysics, I just don't care whether or not he really believes the earth is flat or if he's just trolling everyone.
I mean if I have to get outraged about people believing stupid things, I would be in a 24/7 rage over the tens of millions of Americans that believe that the CIA blew up the World Trade Center and that the Russian government is trying to conquer the world.
It's a billions of years old fact. If you're referring to how long humans have understood that the world is round, that understanding is 23-24 centuries old, and was empirically demonstrated about a century after that when a mathematician (Eratosthenes) devised a very clever way to estimate the circumference of the globe (and got remarkably close to the real total).It's not astro physics. It's a centuries old fact.
The outrage in this thread at a basketball player believing something that's not true makes me want to become a flat-earther myself--seems pretty fun.
The Arctic ice wall is the real bitch. You don't want to run aground there.It is flat, but you have to be careful who you share that info with.
It was only dumb if Ainge knew he could include Crowder's salary in another deal yet choose to send him to Utah for nothing thus costing him an additional player to make the Kyrie.....which apparently was being discussed (and I took heat for suggesting his value was a 2nd rounder, heh!). We know that Crowder talked with Ainge about the direction of the team after Ainge drafted Tatum and traded for Hayward and we know that after that conversation there was talk of Crowder going to Utah for nothing in return prior to him being a thrown into the Kyrie/Nets pick deal with Isaiah and Zizic to make salaries work.Yeah, but it was very very dumb
Of course he was just as Isaiah was as an injured expiring contract and Zizic was although he has some upside to them as a Tristen replacement long-term. The deal was for the Brooklyn pick and Ainge needed salaries to make the deal work....that is the very definition of a throw-in. If Ainge didn't know that an opportunity was going to be available to utilize his contract he very well could have been given to Utah to accommodate his trade request.Crowder wasn't just a throw in though. If the Celtics had a shitty player making 6 million dollars and tried to include that shitty player instead, the Cavs say no and deal doesn't happen.
Boston didn't trade for Hayward, they signed him. There were Utah basketball writers that said, "Wouldn't it be swell if Boston did a sign & trade and gave us Jae Crowder?", but I doubt that it was ever discussed.It was only dumb if Ainge knew he could include Crowder's salary in another deal yet choose to send him to Utah for nothing thus costing him an additional player to make the Kyrie.....which apparently was being discussed (and I took heat for suggesting his value was a 2nd rounder, heh!). We know that Crowder talked with Ainge about the direction of the team after Ainge drafted Tatum and traded for Hayward and we know that after that conversation there was talk of Crowder going to Utah for nothing in return prior to him being a thrown into the Kyrie/Nets pick deal with Isaiah and Zizic to make salaries work.
You don't think that deal gets done without Jae Crowder? That's insane. The Cavs are so dependent on Crowder that they were engaging with the Knicks to bring in Carmelo and his massive contract to take his place as the first forward off the bench.Boston didn't trade for Hayward, they signed him. There were Utah basketball writers that said, "Wouldn't it be swell if Boston did a sign & trade and gave us Jae Crowder?", but I doubt that it was ever discussed.
Because in the end they could trade Bradley for a longer version of Jae Crowder and then use Crowder as part of the package to get Irving. And the Cavs needed a player like Crowder to make their last hurrah viable.
Getting upset that someone believes something you think is wrong but would have to acknowledge is harmless is a little bit childish.It's not astro physics. It's a centuries old fact.
Anyway, Mauf is right, there are a lot of idiots out there. And you are right, there are a lot of conspiracy psychos out there, too. Something feels worse about a player with a platform like Kyrie saying something so stupid, but I'll just add the stupidity to the list.
Getting upset that someone believes something you think is wrong but would have to acknowledge is harmless is a little bit childish.
Nope.I know this is really about gold and not the earth
Zero percent chance that was ever going to happen, and you reiterating it over and over won't make it so.Of course he was just as Isaiah was as an injured expiring contract and Zizic was although he has some upside to them as a Tristen replacement long-term. The deal was for the Brooklyn pick and Ainge needed salaries to make the deal work....that is the very definition of a throw-in. If Ainge didn't know that an opportunity was going to be available to utilize his contract he very well could have been given to Utah to accommodate his trade request.
Zero percent chance that was ever going to happen, and you reiterating it over and over won't make it so.
Ainge wouldn't give away an asset for nothing, and no matter how much you dislike Crowder he was a real asset.
It wouldn't have been for nothing it would have freed up cap space but the opportunity to move Bradley and other moves made this a non-issue. If it came down to Ainge signing Hayward needing Crowder to be included in a sign-n-trade do either of you truly feel Ainge passes on Hayward?I've yet to see any evidence that the Celtics were planning to trade Crowder to acquire Hayward.
Yeah, that's too pithy. The Cavs had two motives: to get someone for Kyrie whom they could present as a plausible second banana to LBJ, and to lay the groundwork for their next rebuild if, as expected, LBJ leaves Cleveland after the season. The C's were the only team able to deliver both. And that's why Danny knew the Cavs weren't going to walk away, even if you believe (as I do) that there was a legitimate difference of opinion over IT's health -- LeBron and Lue likely would've preferred to have the Cavs rescind the trade and move Kyrie to Phoenix for Bledsoe and a protected pick, but from the Cleveland FO's perspective that didn't cover the rebuild scenario nearly as well.Yea, I can't buy this whole thing that the trade was basically BRK pick + matching salary filler for Kyrie Irving. Because if that was the case, there would have been a far more creative way for Ainge to get that salary filler and an asset in some three way trade scenarios.
They are trying to win a title this year. Jae Crowder helps them do that. IT might. They are also gearing up for a potential rebuild. The pick and Zivic help them do that too, although Zivic is probably mainly salary filler who didn't have enough independent value to hold up the deal to try to get something for him plus a true filler contract.Yeah, that's too pithy. The Cavs had two motives: to get someone for Kyrie whom they could present as a plausible second banana to LBJ, and to lay the groundwork for their next rebuild if, as expected, LBJ leaves Cleveland after the season. The C's were the only team able to deliver both. And that's why Danny knew the Cavs weren't going to walk away, even if you believe (as I do) that there was a legitimate difference of opinion over IT's health -- LeBron and Lue likely would've preferred to have the Cavs rescind the trade and move Kyrie to Phoenix for Bledsoe and a protected pick, but from the Cleveland FO's perspective that didn't cover the rebuild scenario nearly as well.
And the final nail in the coffini know i read someone's posting here back when kyrie was first acquired, that referenced an article where irving basically admits his "flat earth" statement was his way of proving how skewed the media's focus is when it comes to covering things that are actually important. but here's another quick example of him pretty much admitting that he's not a science moron and his point was to get people to engage in discussions and realize that it's ok for people to not believe the same things you do.
Riiiiiiight.And the final nail in the coffin
After 5 minutes of RJ and Channing I got a migraine, unlistenable drivel.Riiiiiiight.
Again, it goes back to this podcast. Just listen to it. If you think this is an elaborate troll, then I don't know what to say. He's a conspiracy theorist who was called out by the media and embarrassed in public, so now he's twisting it into something else.
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/features/road-trip-170217
Based on his recent interviews, he doesn't seem at all the type of person who feels strong public embarrassment.Riiiiiiight.
Again, it goes back to this podcast. Just listen to it. If you think this is an elaborate troll, then I don't know what to say. He's a conspiracy theorist who was called out by the media and embarrassed in public, so now he's twisting it into something else.
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/features/road-trip-170217
Embarrassed was probably the wrong word. He's clearly trying to deflect for whatever reason. Perhaps he knows that trying to change everyone's mind about the geometry of Earth is futileBased on his recent interviews, he doesn't seem at all the type of person who feels strong public embarrassment.
Or, you are wrong. Having listened to, and read, all of his comments on the shape of the planet, I'm 365% convinced he was fucking around. He thinks he's deep, and very smart, and he's talking shit with fake sincerity. "Elaborate troll" probably gives him too much credit. This is probably more accurately described as pompous douchery. But funny, if looked at from the right angle.
No.It wouldn't have been for nothing it would have freed up cap space but the opportunity to move Bradley and other moves made this a non-issue. If it came down to Ainge signing Hayward needing Crowder to be included in a sign-n-trade do either of you truly feel Ainge passes on Hayward?
Anyone whoFavorite Celtic ever.
Sounds like converting the Nets 2018 into a tangible asset was part of the pitch to Hayward/Horford.DA explains why he finally traded BRK18 here: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/celtics-gm-danny-ainge-explains-why-he-finally-traded-the-nets-2018-draft-pick/
Lol, was he not paying attention when he dropped 26 ppg on .763 true shooting on his team in the ECF, including winning the pivotal Game 4 almost single-handedly?