You missed my mea culpa, man.Thanks.
And before someone quotes me to say I missed it again, don't worry, I got it. But thanks for the correction anyway. I will try not to confuse them in the future.
When I show my [ample] ass, I own up to it.
You missed my mea culpa, man.Thanks.
And before someone quotes me to say I missed it again, don't worry, I got it. But thanks for the correction anyway. I will try not to confuse them in the future.
Well said.Crow, I grew up playing ball during the same era and I pretended I was Jordan and all the same shit you're saying. I'm sorry to rain on your admiration parade, but tough shit. Go ahead and mourn him. I'm not telling you not to. I'm saying that those of you who only want to see him as a basketball player are not the only ones who get space in discussing him upon his untimely death. It does NOT make me an asshole that YOU are offended by people pointing out that the guy was a fucking rapist, AS WELL AS being a phenomenal basketball player, and a man who gave millions of dollars to charity and a father and a husband and the face of LA sports and and and...he was all of these things. I think it's important not to forget the bad part off who he was. It was that bad. And make no mistake that it had an effect on how women decide whether or not they will report being raped.
This thread is a piece of shit. Thanks for the kind thoughts, glad you read the warnings from the Mods above and respected them.You're a fucking piece of shit. I hope you're torn apart by a rabid dog.
There have been enough opinions shared about the appropriateness of discussing Kobe's dark side that I won't add my own.
However, to the bolded: you're going to need to bring some better receipts if you're going to accuse fellow posters of being "phony" in their opinions. To the contrary, I doubt luckysox - herself a survivor of rape IIRC - could be more serious about anything. And likewise TSC and the various others for whom this is an issue that is deeply emotionally felt, and dominates whatever else they might think about Kobe Bryant. To be "virtue signalling" would require that they be posting to earn the approval of the group despite feeling differently. Given the pile of shit dumped on them, it seems "phone virtue signalling" is exactly 180-degrees backwards. They chose to state an unpopular opinion, precisely because that's their sincerely-held truth.
You're welcome to disagree with their perspective, but accusing them of bad-faith posting without the slightest hint of evidence of that is pretty shitty by you.
Well in that case, I apologize. The internet is a confusing place.You missed my mea culpa, man.
When I show my [ample] ass, I own up to it.
We are, literally, having a discussion through our feelings about Kobe about the relative importance of violence against women in 2020. It turns out that the premature death of Kobe Bryant is a perfect catalyst for that discussion. If that is a discussion you don’t wish to have, that is fine, but the mods of this particular site have said it is a discussion that may be had here.I just think it's gross to take a moment to tape dance on the mans grave on the day he and his daughter died because you enjoy taking a political stance on the internet. Such phony virtue signalling. I see nobody claiming he was a role model. To attack him as a rapist right now seems phony and gross. All I have and will have to say on that.
RIP Kobe and Gianni Maria (hope that's ok to say here)
What do you call someone who rapes someone? He's a rapist. Sorry that makes you uncomfortable. I'm sure that girl was pretty uncomfortable too.At least I don't need to resort to name calling and wishing for violent dog attacks. I think it is virtue signalling to bring this up on the day the man and his daughter died. His sexual assault case was complicated and I guess it's fair to bring it up and I reacted poorly to that out of sentimentality in the aftermath of a death, but to call him a rapist and attack people uncomfortable with that is weird. I'm done now as this is uncomfortable. I hope no rabid dogs attack me and I dispute the fact that I'm a jerk. I have a rape victim in my own family very close to me, I just see things very differently than you do on this day right now.
Great post.Crow, I grew up playing ball during the same era and I pretended I was Jordan and all the same shit you're saying. I'm sorry to rain on your admiration parade, but tough shit. Go ahead and mourn him. I'm not telling you not to. I'm saying that those of you who only want to see him as a basketball player are not the only ones who get space in discussing him upon his untimely death. It does NOT make me an asshole that YOU are offended by people pointing out that the guy was a fucking rapist, AS WELL AS being a phenomenal basketball player, and a man who gave millions of dollars to charity and a father and a husband and the face of LA sports and and and...he was all of these things. I think it's important not to forget the bad part off who he was. It was that bad. And make no mistake that it had an effect on how women decide whether or not they will report being raped.
You said it right, it's "say your piece", but when not objecting to a wedding, you "forever hold your peace".Well in that case, I apologize. The internet is a confusing place.
DUDE. STOP. NOBODY IS FUCKING "VIRTUE SIGNALING." AND STOP USING THAT PHRASE IN EVERY ONE OF YOUR GODDAMNED POSTS.At least I don't need to resort to name calling and wishing for violent dog attacks. I think it is virtue signalling to bring this up on the day the man and his daughter died. His sexual assault case was complicated and I guess it's fair to bring it up and I reacted poorly to that out of sentimentality in the aftermath of a death, but to call him a rapist and attack people uncomfortable with that is weird. I'm done now as this is uncomfortable. I hope no rabid dogs attack me and I dispute the fact that I'm a jerk. I have a rape victim in my own family very close to me, I just see things very differently than you do on this day right now.
He was a rapist and a piece of shit, but it still doesn't make the news that one of the best basketball players of all time died in a crash less shocking.Literally the first thing that crossed my mind when this flashed across my phone was, "Known rapist dies in helicopter crash." Clearly, I'm not alone in that.
I think it's totally fucked that some people want to whitewash that away just because he died in some bizarre fashion at a young age. People die every day.
Rape is part of his legacy. He has to own that, whether you like it or not.
It wasn't even a case of me mixing them up.You said it right, it's "say your piece", but when not objecting to a wedding, you "forever hold your peace".
This has been another episode of "Know Your Idioms". We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
I don't know him as a poster. However, I'm with the camp that the post itself is low.Maybe @SeoulSoxFan should take note too re his “this is low” post.
I'm mostly referring to discomfort of being called a "cunt" in a PM and being told that someone hopes rabid dogs attack me, but sure. I totally deserve that. Thanks for your thoughts.What do you call someone who rapes someone? He's a rapist. Sorry that makes you uncomfortable. I'm sure that girl was pretty uncomfortable too.
DUDE. STOP. NOBODY IS FUCKING "VIRTUE SIGNALING." AND STOP USING THAT PHRASE IN EVERY ONE OF YOUR GODDAMNED POSTS.
Some people are going to talk about things that they deeply believe. I cannot think for a SECOND about anybody on here trying to impress someone else by being a good person.
If I had a copy of that MS Paint Buchholz drawing, I'd post it here.
Had to be Pop that thought that up. Right? That’s clever.Raptors/Spurs game just tipped off and both teams took 24 second violations.
Because I'm supposed to know someone pm'd you that because I'm omniscient. If someone is attacking you via pm, report it to a mod and they will be dealt with. I'm pretty sure I haven't personally insulted you even though I disagree with you vehemently.I'm mostly referring to discomfort of being called a "cunt" in a PM and being told that someone hopes rabid dogs attack me, but sure. I totally deserve that. Thanks for your thoughts.
You do understand that there are some here (and elsewhere) who have a very personal connection to the realities of who Kobe Bryant was. I'm not sure why you want to minimize that. I'm sure more than a few feel that Bryant's the one who did some tap dancing all those years ago.I just think it's gross to take a moment to tape dance on the mans grave on the day he and his daughter died because you enjoy taking a political stance on the internet. Such phony virtue signalling. I see nobody claiming he was a role model. To attack him as a rapist right now seems phony and gross. All I have and will have to say on that.
RIP Kobe and Gianni Maria (hope that's ok to say here)
We are not at his funeral. We are not even on r/Lakers. I don't get why a grieving only day is expected here. If what you want to do is grieve about Kobe Bryant without hearing a single opposing thought, then this isn't the place.Or perhaps a grieving only day. Maybe?
I'm actually not upset it was brought up. It was your line that didn't understand why people would be upset. If you can't understand how it could upset people, then maybe you're not as empathetic as you think you are.
This isn't political. No one was even whitewashing. The Clemente comment in context was about magnitude, not life story. And I understand the people bringing up the past also grieving, but man, when I go to a funeral, I bury that shit for a day.
We will be discussing his legacy, all if it, in great detail for a really long time to come. It's a great conversation to have. But if people really don't see how this is to someone just in shock, who just naturally gravitates towards trying to remember the good in someone, might get upset right now?? I'm genuinely concerned.
I'm Sorry man. I generally like you, abd I don't hate you now either, but you know, for a group of people always out to get everyone else to listen to what they have to say, I don't think some of you are very good listeners either.
Or Dodger Stadium.So uh. The memorial that will be held in LA has to be at the colosseum right? There is no way staples center is big enough to hold everyone. Regardless of it being where the Lakers play.
I can’t believe it took this long to get even the (oblique) Munson reference, which is the first thing I thought of (not joking).DUDE. STOP. NOBODY IS FUCKING "VIRTUE SIGNALING." AND STOP USING THAT PHRASE IN EVERY ONE OF YOUR GODDAMNED POSTS.
Some people are going to talk about things that they deeply believe. I cannot think for a SECOND about anybody on here trying to impress someone else by being a good person.
If I had a copy of that MS Paint Buchholz drawing, I'd post it here.
Aaaaaah. You're that guy.If you feel this strongly, PM me about it. You seem like you're out of control and need to take a minute to calm down though.
Hey, don't get too big for your britches, the rabid dog was for Capt Coop.I'm mostly referring to discomfort of being called a "cunt" in a PM and being told that someone hopes rabid dogs attack me, but sure. I totally deserve that. Thanks for your thoughts.
Hey, I made that. It got me membership here.If I had a copy of that MS Paint Buchholz drawing, I'd post it here.
Five people died in a helicopter crash. Am I the only one thinking at all about the people who died whose surname wasn't Bryant, and whose surviving family members probably don't have virtually unlimited funds going forward to help them grieve? This is a tragedy for everyone involved - including the Bryants, but by no means limited to them.
Couple of well saids amongst a whole bunch of well saids.We are, literally, having a discussion through our feelings about Kobe about the relative importance of violence against women in 2020. It turns out that the premature death of Kobe Bryant is a perfect catalyst for that discussion. If that is a discussion you don’t wish to have, that is fine, but the mods of this particular site have said it is a discussion that may be had here.
So, if you wish to keep saying it is a discussion you don’t wish to have here, you should take it up with those who have decided otherwise. Or just find a place where the discussion is other.
Lidle did we know...I can’t believe it took this long to get even the (oblique) Munson reference, which is the first thing I thought of (not joking).
Dude, you can still appreciate him as an athlete. He was also likely a rapist.I have already let you know what a tool you are for bringing 15 year old accusations into a thread about a storied sports star's tragic death. I'm leaving now, but make sure you stay here and guard the thread to make sure that any latecomers know that Kobe Bryant wasn't Jesus Christ. Everyone is confused on that, and you're performing a valuable service.
Seriously. "Virtue signaling?"I can’t believe it took this long to get even the (oblique) Munson reference, which is the first thing I thought of (not joking).
Thank you. You don't get death by rabid dog wished on you by showing up and making three fucking posts.Hey, don't get too big for your britches, the rabid dog was for Capt Coop.
You really need to stop using the phrase "virtue signalling", or learn what it is implying. Because it isn't just saying "I think it's in poor taste to bring up these issues". It's implying that these issues don't actually matter to the person talking about them, they're just faking outrage to look good. Just as you got called names (perhaps unfairly so), you should recognize that by using the phrase you were calling people names.If you feel this strongly, PM me about it. You seem like you're out of control and need to take a minute to calm down though.
This thread is moving too fast for people. The original posts detailing Kobe's past, uh, misdeeds, was in response to one poster describing him as a great human being. That's all.The post that started this derail called him a great person. You're a jerk to presume anybody is virtue signalling or bringing politics into this. Fuck off.
His daughter, her teammate on a basketball team, a parent of the teammate, and the pilot.I was simply hoping to come here and find out more about the crash and who else was on board.
Why? Was Bryant famous for such things? This is an honest question.Had to be Pop that thought that up. Right? That’s clever.
Famous for being number 24Why? Was Bryant famous for such things? This is an honest question.