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Katie Nolan: somebody should make a thread about her

Discussion in 'Our Errors are Mistakes: The Media Forum' started by notfar, Oct 9, 2015.

  1. notfar

    notfar Well-Known Member Lifetime Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    She is from Framingham, very funny, very knowledgable about sports, a huge Boston homer and is not afraid to go off on people. In short, she is probably a SoSH poster.
     
    Here are some highlights:
     
    Going off on Peter King:
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rtc0jQHwQo
     
    Going off about Greg Hardy:
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGrL39Q99sE
     
    Chugging more beer than Madison Bumgarner:
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u5qd2LKx2A
     
    On her male counterpart's show:
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un7IITvoaXk
     
    Her twitter feed is great too, she has been torching people on there the past couple of days:
     
     
     
  2. Bosoxen

    Bosoxen Bounced back Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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  3. notfar

    notfar Well-Known Member Lifetime Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

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    The fact her thread in the media forum had to be moved because people were being creepy is pretty ironic and pathetic.
     
  4. johnmd20

    johnmd20 literally like ebola Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Yeah, it's a mark against humanity.
     
  5. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

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    I will agree with one of those last words.
     
  6. 24JoshuaPoint

    24JoshuaPoint Grand Theft Duvet SoSH Member

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    I didn't need another reason to hate that good for nothing Peter King but i enjoyed her delivery of said reason. I wonder if he knows that he is a dumbass and just accepts it or he lacks the self awareness to fathom it.
     
  7. CoRP

    CoRP Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    The broadcast had a sort of Daily Show feel to it, minus Jon Stewart's brand of humor, but then, this isn't a topic that lends itself easily to jokes. In place of jokes, her liberal use of f-bombs adds gravitas to the message she's delivering and her anger is palpable which may be why she generates such a large and devoted audience. She has potential to own this space in sports commentary for a long time. 
     
  8. LogansDad

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    I really like how her take down of Hardy isn't just about how Hardy is a piece of trash, but about how people who write about and follow football are allowing it to happen.  I think everybody should watch that video.  
     
    I'm guilty of misogyny on occasion myself, probably far more than I even realize, and honestly for me (and, I assume, a lot of people like me) it isn't even on purpose, and we aren't trying to be mean, and that is a problem (I am working on it, I promise).  My initial post in the Indy locker room thread was DEFINITELY guilty of this, and I later apologized when I realized that I was not getting the point across that I was trying to make (which probably wasn't even a good point to begin with).  
     
    The things that people like Hardy are allowed to get away with saying (hell, apparently encouraged to do.... "Do you find Bortles' significant other attractive?"  REALLY?), even more so since they are on a national stage so people can actually be influenced by their words, or look up to them and what they are saying, is disheartening to say the least.  If anything, him beating up his girlfriend has made him MORE famous, and as long as he continues to get sacks in the NFL he will likely to continue being able to say things like that and still be a millionaire.  It's just one more reason I continue to say that I am done with the league after Brady retires, not that losing me will make any difference.
     
  9. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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  10. Andrew

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    I love her for pointing out what a joke the NFL is when it comes towards their attitude about women. It's all about marketing, they absolutely do not give an actual fuck. They can wear pink all day but it doesn't change that every action they take shows not just outright disrespect of women, but often dangerous and violent hostility.
     
    I hate everything about the NFL except the damn game. 
     
  11. glennhoffmania

    glennhoffmania but still failing Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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  12. DrewDawg

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  13. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I agree about the tone. I just found it interesting for the aspect of how the changes in the media landscape play out.  
     
  14. CoRP

    CoRP Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Nolan did an excellent job paraphrasing Brennan's article and then was able to spice it up with the f-bombs and indignation that helped make that video viral. Any guy that writes an attack piece article like that is pissing in the wind trying to taint Nolan's celebrity.
     
  15. Bosoxen

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    Am I reading too much into it or did that article also have an implied "Nolan is getting more recognition because she's young and attractive" undertone to it? Not so much in how it was written but because of the inclusion of the photos of the two women. Almost feels like that was done in a wink-wink nudge-nudge way.
     
  16. glennhoffmania

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    I thought that was exactly the point.  Look at how the older, less attractive, smart and first to discuss the issue is ignored, but the younger, hotter woman who basically ripped off the article is adored.
     
  17. Bosoxen

    Bosoxen Bounced back Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    But the author doesn't come right out and say it, which is why I used the term "implied".
     
    So it sounds like you and I are on the same page.
     
  18. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    That and the video v. print difference.
     
    The tone problems, I'm guessing, come from the writer's indecision about which point to make more clearly.
     
  19. allstonite

    allstonite Member SoSH Member

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    The article could have been "most people enjoy watching videos more than reading, especially when they feature someone attractive". And it could have been a tweet. And it would still be nothing we don't already know. What a weird article.
     
  20. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

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    It seems to me that the author wants to make a scalding Hot Sportz take: "You jerks cheering Nolan are just as bad as chauvinistic NFL!" but stops short. In all honesty, I'd understand it more if he came out guns blazing to that. At least there's a point, Joe Kinsey's piece seems to exist as a an ad for Christine Brennan and USA Today. "Oh, you like that Katie Nolan piece? How about this one, which came out 12 hours earlier! Boom! Served!" I mean, okay Brennan came out first, why should I give a shit. They're both 1000% right on Hardy and the NFL. 
     
    The one thing that Kinsey ignores, or kind of brushes off, is that Brennan wrote this for the USA Today. Never mind a newspaper, when was the last time you saw anyone read the USA Today and you weren't at a hotel? This isn't like she had a column in the Globe or the NY Times or the LA Times or the Post or whatever major newspaper you can think of, it's the USA Today. Up until 30 seconds ago, it never even occurred to me that the USA Today has a web site, but it does and it kind of sucks.
     
    I know that we live in an era where people feel the need to have an opinion on another person's opinion. But unless Katie Nolan plagiarized Christine Brennan (which I don't think she did) who gives a crap who was first. This whole story is a classic waste of time. 
     
  21. 24JoshuaPoint

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    Yea i don't think it's rocket science that Katie used to come to the conclusion that what Hardy said isn't politically correct. Didn't everyone think the same thing after he made those remarks? The Busted Coverage writer comes off as stupid. Nice side by side photo dumbass.
     
  22. glennhoffmania

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    I thought the way it was presented, with discussion of and a link to Nolan's video followed by "Now let's take excerpts from Brennan's column", and suggesting that people go watch the video and then read the article, was a clear jab at Nolan that she ripped off Brennan.  I didn't even think it was that subtle.  Perhaps I'm cynical. 
     
  23. John Marzano Olympic Hero

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    I didn't think that he did, mainly because he used the first paragraph or two to explain how much he likes Nolan and that she used to work with some of his friends.
     
    I'm not arguing with you because he could have implied that she plagiarized Brennan but if he really wanted to be a better writer, he would have just said it. 
     
  24. glennhoffmania

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    Yeah I don't know what the hell his actual point was, which is why the article sucks.  My take above was simply my reaction as I was reading it.  That certainly doesn't mean it's correct. 
     
  25. E5 Yaz

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    I feel guilty for starting this sidetrack, but I find myself in your camp on this.
     
    First, we can all agree it's a poorly written article. But I do think he was trying to suggest that Nolan was riffing on Brennan's article. CoRP had the right take here: Even pointing out the similarities isn't going to matter because of the way consumers approach modern criticism, then move on to something else.
     
  26. SidelineCameras

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    This is not an attack on glenn, this is more of a question. Is Nolan really being adored? is 4000 retweets really something to get excited about? Sure, people have posted it on Facebook and I guess we started a thread today, but the numbers seem awfully small to me. Too small to warrant a "backlash against the backlash" article, certainly.
     
  27. glennhoffmania

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    Just to clarify, I wasn't saying that she is being adored.  I was saying that the writer was saying that based on quotes like these:
     
     
    I have no idea if the attention she's getting is enough to get excited about.
     
  28. ypioca

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    By the way, he's amazed at the 4000 retweets for Nolan's video, while Brennan's article got 1500 RTs. Seems like her article was at least reasonably successful, and not, as he puts it, "nearly forgotten".
     
    Also, the guy himself only found the Brennan piece after going out of his way to search for Greg Hardy takes online, while presumably he came across Nolan's video organically. How is he shocked by the fact that the article is less popular?
     
    There's an interesting point in there, about how, even when discussing important issues like women's issues in sports and the media's role in advancing it, it (ironically and regrettably) helps to have it wrapped in a nice, attractive, easily consumable package. But I'm not even sure if that's the case here - as the written piece was widely read too - and this guy sure as hell didn't make that point. He just said "I get it" and pressed 'send', and left the readers to figure out the point of the article themselves.
     
  29. Van Everyman

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    It's a sad world where a piece in USA Today is deemed too difficult to consume.
     
  30. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    Well without a pie chart or bar graph, what the hell do they expect?
     
  31. SuperManny

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    I think they need more emojis with their headlines.
     
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  32. Omar's Wacky Neighbor

    Omar's Wacky Neighbor Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    If each story was 140 characters or less, it'd fly off the shelves
     
  33. timlinin8th

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    There were many points that he could have made. Using the evidence that these two female sportswriters felt largely similar about the NFL's handling of the Hardy episode and how that is viewed by females who follow the league, maybe continue collecting thoughts from other female sportswriters and see if their thoughts are in line with what these two others felt, which would be an ENORMOUS problem for the NFL. Instead, he put out that pile, a completely pointless article that tries to piggyback on the popularity of Nolan's video while simultaneously trying to discredit it in an odd sort of way. Definitely had the feel of an attempt at a hot sports take but wasn't clever enough to be worthwhile.
     
  34. GeorgeCostanza

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    And the comments section was just....I'm rarely left speechless and it's a given that comment sections for Internet posts bring out the worst in humanity, but wow.
     
  35. HoyaSoxa

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    Our man Chad Finn has a nice cover story for the Globe mag this week on Katie. I couldn't really decide whether it belongs in her thread or in his, but thought it was very (deservedly) flattering to her and well done by him.

    Nolan's podcast has been awesome the past few weeks - she got some really great and interesting stuff from Francesa and Woj.
     
  36. NortheasternPJ

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    Her interview with The Sports Pope was great.
     
  37. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    She was pretty good on Drunk History this week about Teddy Roosevelt.
     
  38. canderson

    canderson Fomenting voting confusion and angst since 2016 Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Katie Nolan has been hired by ESPN. I've really missed her, especially her podcast. Hopefully this gives her the freedom to be herself and excel at what I believe she's one of the best at, commentary.

    http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-r...-winning-sports-personality-host-katie-nolan/
     
  39. John Marzano Olympic Hero

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    You're using ESPN and freedom in the same sentence?

    I'll save you the time: they'll say that they want her to, but they really won't. She'll get pissed (rightly), she'll get suspended and then she'll go somewhere else.
     
  40. Red(s)HawksFan

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    The best thing about her podcast was that it was hers, not Fox's. She was uncensored and (seemingly) unbeholden to anyone. No way she gets that kind of freedom on ESPN (assuming she goes back to podcasting).
     
  41. canderson

    canderson Fomenting voting confusion and angst since 2016 Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    I know, ESPN fucking sucks but I hold out hope she can be so under the radar they don't notice ...
     
  42. NoXInNixon

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    How close are Kornheiser and Wilbon to retirement? I want to see Nolan and Nichols take over PTI.
     
  43. Number45forever

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    Now this I'd sign up for, even though I love Tony and Mike. A Nolan/Nichols show would be great.
     
  44. Kliq

    Kliq Member SoSH Member

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    Honestly why can't we just have both?
     
  45. Van Everyman

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    This is so awesome:

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...oining-espn/xHPRdPdgfNxBTyNSHTny6J/story.html
     
  46. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Not very close.

    I expect to see Miss Nolan in various guest roles in the afternoon block until she gets a permanent position.
     
  47. zoolight.space

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    I really like her style but don't see how it fits with ESPN's stale corporate bullshit. Would have liked her at The Ringer making awesome videos in the vein of how she started but surrounded by some creative editors.
     
  48. maufman

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    Bill Simmons had a lot of freedom at ESPN; after a decade-plus of exposure, he decided he was unwilling to stay away from the couple of topics that really cheezed off his bosses. Which has worked out fine for Simmons — he parlayed the exposure from ESPN into his own enterprise, and while the HBO show didn’t pan out, he has made more the money and is now free to do exactly what he wants. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if Katie Nolan follows the same pattern — play by the rules until you don’t need them anymore.
     
  49. HoyaSoxa

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    I wonder what she is thinking re: Hill's suspension. When she was doing Garbage Time, Katie certainly did not "stick to sports" on air, on pod, or on Twitter. I am concerned about how much she will be restricted by ESPN, but mostly hoping they get her up and running with a podcast ASAP. She has been sorely missed for the past few months.
     
  50. allstonite

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    I agree I'm very worried about how this will go. I enjoy her sense of humor but the 2 things she's probably most known for are her rants against the NFL regarding Ray Rice and especially Greg Hardy. I'm wondering how far they'll let her go given the current climate and what she's thinking about recent events surrounding Hill
     

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