Justin Slaten acquired from Mets (minor+ move)

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It looks like he was Brewlow’s R5 binky that he made immediate amends to get. Am I reading that correctly?
 

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Wait, we were afraid he’d be taken by a 9th to 11th place team so we paid extra for it?
Apparently. Maybe they had some intel on another team? It was a guy we picked in the 10th round so I'm not going to sweat it.
 

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It looks like he was Brewlow’s R5 binky that he made immediate amends to get. Am I reading that correctly?
That would be my best guess (or they had intel the 10th team would take him or something), but not sure.

This was what I posted on him the other day in the R5 Preview:

RP Justin Slaten (Rangers) - 26

His strong numbers at Double-A earned him a late-season promotion to Triple-A, where he tossed 8.1 innings, only allowed one earned run, and struck out ten batters while walking four. It was a small sample size, so don’t take it too seriously, but it gives us some pitch-tracking data to examine.

Slaten has good velocity, sitting 95-97 MPH and topping out around 98. On top of that, he has above-average spin at 2300-2400 RPM. This pitch can ride through the zone, unlike many others. His slider comes in around 83-85 MPH but with over 2500 RPM of spin. FanGraphs describes this pitch as a knee-buckler. His cutter is also a regularly used part of his arsenal, and it comes in around 87-90 MPH with 2350-2450 RPM on average.
https://rumbunter.com/posts/pittsburgh-pirates-five-potential-rule-5-draft-picks-to-consider-asa-lacy
 

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I’m breaking this out only because it’ll be likely that he lives on the ML roster. (Obviously not a headline move)
 

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Or they really wanted him and the Mets snagged him first, so Breslow got aggressive quickly to get his man.
Seems unlikely the Mets would pick him for themselves and then agree that quickly to swap him for such a middling draft pick?
 

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Seems unlikely the Mets would pick him for themselves and then agree that quickly to swap him for such a middling draft pick?
Not really, it's generally a pain in the ass carrying a rule 5 guy on the roster all year if you care at all about winning games. This way NYM gets a player and don't have to worry about keeping him on the roster, he's theirs no matter what.
 

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Slaten, 26, had a strong season in 2023 while splitting time between the Rangers' Double-A and Triple-A affiliates, with a 2.87 ERA and 1.07 WHIP in 59.2 innings over 40 appearances -- with all but one of those coming in relief.

He allowed just 6.6 hits per nine, walked 3.0 per nine, and struck out 13.0 per nine.

The righty has yet to make his big league debut.

A former third-round draft pick, Slaten features a fastball that touches 98 mph and also has a mid-80s sweeper that he generates swings and misses on, according to SNY contributor Joe DeMayo, who notes that Slaten also features a cutter that is a lesser third pitch.

With Slaten's upside and the Mets' need for bullpen arms, there's a legitimate chance he breaks camp with the team on Opening Day.
https://sports.yahoo.com/mets-select-handed-pitcher-justin-190851950.html
 

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Seems unlikely the Mets would pick him for themselves and then agree that quickly to swap him for such a middling draft pick?
They don’t have to carry him on the major league roster unlike Slaten.

Making a Rule 5 pick and the flipping it for a lefty who doesn’t need to be on the 40 man for 3 years is a nice piece of business for the Mets.
 

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I’m not sure I’d call any rule 5 pick, which uses a 26 man spot all of a season on a career minor leaguer, a “minor move”.
 

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As advertised, Brez appears to have a type, and he's not being shy about scooping them up.
 

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I’m not sure I’d call any rule 5 pick, which uses a 26 man spot all of a season on a career minor leaguer, a “minor move”.
It's still usually the 26th man, and often they don't even survive spring training. I agree with 'minor move'.
 

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As advertised, Brez appears to have a type, and he's not being shy about scooping them up.
Yea this is a move Bloom simply doesn’t make. Breslow thinks the upside is worth the risk of giving up a player for what could be nothing.

I love the aggressiveness.
 
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I’m not sure I’d call any rule 5 pick, which uses a 26 man spot all of a season on a career minor leaguer, a “minor move”.
Really? What if he sucks and they just send him back to the Rangers and free up the roster spot again? It cost them Ryan Ammons. He signed for $50k in the tenth round last year, $118k below slot. I'd say it's pretty minor.
 

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Yea this is a love Bloom simply doesn’t make. Breslow thinks the upside is worth the risk of giving up a player for what could be nothing.

I love the aggressiveness.
I'm still a Bloom guy, to be honest, but I think this is a fair criticism. He certainly did hate to gamble on surrendering value. No idea if this move will work, but I like that Breslow is in there being aggressive on the margins.
 

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They don’t have to carry him on the major league roster unlike Slaten.

Making a Rule 5 pick and the flipping it for a lefty who doesn’t need to be on the 40 man for 3 years is a nice piece of business for the Mets.
I agree.

My point is the Mets agreed to this ahead of time. They didn't pick Slaten with the intent of keeping him and then unexpectedly get talked into trading him.
 

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I don’t mind focusing on low-walk guys for sure, been a problem for a long time now even in the last competitive window.
 

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While this is a minor move the fact Breslow is making quick moves with the likes of the Yankees and Mets is a great sign moving forward. Deal paralysis was part of the issue with Bloom. Stuff like this makes me excited he will be able to work alongside his peers in a more meaningful way
 

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In 2022 he walked 48 in 51.2 IP ...
Who brought the wet blanket...?

Kidding aside, it's a great point. He appears to have really good stuff, so control problems would help explain why he's yet to make the majors. He's still only 26, so it's not unreasonable to believe that he may have unlocked something last year in getting up to AAA. That's probably what Brelsow and company on hoping for. If not, well, he cost us basically nothing.
 

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Eric Longenhagen of FanGraphs’ take from July:

The Rangers have finally moved Slaten to the bullpen and he’s carving. He isn’t throwing any harder than he was in 2022, but Slaten has taken to a single-inning, air-it-out approach and isn’t walking anyone. He’s sitting 94-97 with plus-plus carry, bending in his usual knee-buckling low-to-mid-80s slider, and he’s also added a cutter. Slaten’s delivery is violent and he has a high-maintenance frame, so his prospectdom is a little less stable than a premium on-mound athlete’s, but he has late-inning stuff and seems to have taken a step forward from a control standpoint. He could be in Texas’ big league bullpen by the end of the year and, if not, is almost certainly a post-season 40-man add who’ll debut next year.

That looks to me like a guy who could be ready. Man, there’s definitely more trades to come.

Right-handed relievers currently on the 40-man:

Jansen
Martin
Schreiber
Campbell
Slaten
Weissert
Robertson
Llovera
Kelly
Weiss
(Winckowski)
(Houck)
(Crawford)
(Pivetta)
(Whitlock)

Plus Mata, Gonzalez and Perales who have yet to make their debut.

That’s too many!
 

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I may be way off here (it's not unusual) but I thought if you traded for a Rule 5 pick, you did NOT have to carry that pick on the ML roster?
 

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I may be way off here (it's not unusual) but I thought if you traded for a Rule 5 pick, you did NOT have to carry that pick on the ML roster?
If you acquire their rights from their original team, that's true. Not when you acquire them from the team that drafted him.
 

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Tweet from Jarrett Seidler of Baseball Prospectus (on Slaten):

was generally considered the best player available, very high octane stuff and "good stuff reliever with a history of upper-minors success" is 100 percent the profile of a player who actually meaningfully sticks
 

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View: https://youtu.be/1jkFiZ5QOME?si=0-ell1qNemqk5rjP


After a command-plagued season in 2022, Slaten straightened out his strike-throwing in 2023. He cut his walk rate from 19.5% in 2022 to 8.5% in 2023. The improved control resulted in much better results at Double-A Frisco and a late-season promotion to Triple-A. Slaten is a pure reliever who mixes four pitches with plenty of power across his arsenal. Slaten sits 95-97 mph on his four-seamer with ride and at times cut. He pairs his four-seam primarily with a mid-80s sweeping slider that generates heavy rates of swings and misses in and out of the zone. His cutter is his third pitch, but is an effective weapon as a bridge between his fastball and slider. The cutter sits 89-91 mph with true cutter shape. He’ll infrequently mix in a low-80s two-plane curveball. With the strike-throwing improvements, upper-level minors experience and major league quality stuff, Slaten could be a worthy choice.
www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-rule-5-draft-preview-2023/
 

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Eric Longenhagen of FanGraphs’ take from July:

The Rangers have finally moved Slaten to the bullpen and he’s carving. He isn’t throwing any harder than he was in 2022, but Slaten has taken to a single-inning, air-it-out approach and isn’t walking anyone. He’s sitting 94-97 with plus-plus carry, bending in his usual knee-buckling low-to-mid-80s slider, and he’s also added a cutter. Slaten’s delivery is violent and he has a high-maintenance frame, so his prospectdom is a little less stable than a premium on-mound athlete’s, but he has late-inning stuff and seems to have taken a step forward from a control standpoint. He could be in Texas’ big league bullpen by the end of the year and, if not, is almost certainly a post-season 40-man add who’ll debut next year.

That looks to me like a guy who could be ready. Man, there’s definitely more trades to come.

Right-handed relievers currently on the 40-man:

Jansen
Martin
Schreiber
Campbell
Slaten
Weissert
Robertson
Llovera
Kelly
Weiss
(Winckowski)
(Houck)
(Crawford)
(Pivetta)
(Whitlock)

Plus Mata, Gonzalez and Perales who have yet to make their debut.

That’s too many!
As I just posted in the SP thread, I think these moves are a prelude to a trade, moving some of these assets to land a big fish.
 

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In 2022 he walked 48 in 51.2 IP ...
All of that was his first go-round in AA, which he then cut way back on in 2023 (mix of AA-AAA). Also an outlier from his prior experiences in the minors and college, when he was in the 3-4 bb/9 range. So the evidence generally points to 2022 being the true outlier, rather than his bounce-back control in 2023. You never know though.
 

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I may be way off here (it's not unusual) but I thought if you traded for a Rule 5 pick, you did NOT have to carry that pick on the ML roster?
If that were the case, we'd see a lot more teams conspiring to draft and trade players for each other to circumvent the roster requirements.
 

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Eric Longenhagen of FanGraphs’ take from July:

The Rangers have finally moved Slaten to the bullpen and he’s carving. He isn’t throwing any harder than he was in 2022, but Slaten has taken to a single-inning, air-it-out approach and isn’t walking anyone. He’s sitting 94-97 with plus-plus carry, bending in his usual knee-buckling low-to-mid-80s slider, and he’s also added a cutter. Slaten’s delivery is violent and he has a high-maintenance frame, so his prospectdom is a little less stable than a premium on-mound athlete’s, but he has late-inning stuff and seems to have taken a step forward from a control standpoint. He could be in Texas’ big league bullpen by the end of the year and, if not, is almost certainly a post-season 40-man add who’ll debut next year.

That looks to me like a guy who could be ready. Man, there’s definitely more trades to come.

Right-handed relievers currently on the 40-man:

Jansen
Martin
Schreiber
Campbell
Slaten
Weissert
Robertson
Llovera
Kelly
Weiss
(Winckowski)
(Houck)
(Crawford)
(Pivetta)
(Whitlock)

Plus Mata, Gonzalez and Perales who have yet to make their debut.

That’s too many!
That’s some terrific bullpen depth.
 

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Breslow on Slaten:

“We’re really excited about bringing him on board,” Breslow said Thursday. “It was the marriage of the data, the raw pitch characteristics, the performance, the scouting group, everyone aligned. And with this budding pitching infrastructure, we were able to get additional perspectives. When there’s alignment across all of those groups, it makes for a fairly easy decision.

“He’s a guy with huge swing-and-miss stuff and profiles as a back of the back of the bullpen-type arm. So we’re really excited to get him here and see what he can do.”
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/12/red-sox-trade-for-rule-5-reliever-who-will-compete-for-bullpen-spot-in-spring.html

Not sure why they're quoting him from tomorrow but YOLO.
 

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I just realized the cash considerations are probably the $100,000 that recipients give to the prior team in a rule 5 pick.
 

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I do not love Breslow's ted-talk-vocab.
I think we’re going to have to get used to it, but in this case I’ll take it anyway because it means they acquired a lot of talent from other leading teams (talking development in this case not referring to players) by spending what I have to assume was a metric f-ton of money. Talk all the nonsense you want if you’re spraying cash along with it.