Worth pointing out this incredible fact:What did he find sell out-y about GnR? Obviously they were huge, but their music and style and behavior didn’t seem to change much over their career, unless I missed things.
Where is his mind?Damn you went with Chili Peppers over the Pixies? My world is collapsing.
He was talking to Peachy Peach about kissy kiss.He’s trying to fool the world.
Co-sign. "Give it Away" is not one of the biggest alt rock songs of the nineties. I'd argue Bedrock Anthem has more cultural cache.RHCP were always a lame hair band to me and Under the Bridge is just Every Rose Has Its Thorn with worse lyrics. If we’re talking about the week that changed rock, what’s their legacy - 311 and Sublime and the other white ska bands?
Then blood sugar sex magik should have been released on September 17, 1991.Worth pointing out this incredible fact:
- Use Your Illusion I & II get released on September 17, 1991
- Nevermind, Low End Theory, and Blood Sugar Sex Magik get released on September 24, 1991.
It's like a line in the sand. The 1990s thematically started on September 24, 1991.
Oh GOD please do not put RHCP in the same category as 311 or Sublime. I mean, I like Sublime, but they're not in the RHCP sphere.RHCP were always a lame hair band to me and Under the Bridge is just Every Rose Has Its Thorn with worse lyrics. If we’re talking about the week that changed rock, what’s their legacy - 311 and Sublime and the other white ska bands?
What on earth? The video was inescapable for years on MTV. I mean, as you pointed out, it was big enough for Weird Al to parody it AND make a video for that parody. Not that Grammys really matter, but it won the Grammy for Best Hard Rock Performance in 1993.Co-sign. "Give it Away" is not one of the biggest alt rock songs of the nineties. I'd argue Bedrock Anthem has more cultural cache.
Ok you got me with RATM and Paak. I’m still gonna keep hating Kiedis though.Oh GOD please do not put RHCP in the same category as 311 or Sublime. I mean, I like Sublime, but they're not in the RHCP sphere.
I'm not even a huge RHCP fan but I can list 20 of great songs by them. In fact, here they are: Aeroplane, Around The World, Breaking The Girl, By The Way, Californication, Can't Stop, Dani California, Dosed, Fortune Faded, The Getaway, Give It Away, Go Robot, Higher Ground, My Friends, Otherside, Parallel Universe, Scar Tissue, Soul To Squeeze, Suck My Kiss, Tell Me Baby, Under The Bridge, The Zephyr Song (that's 22).
I think you're vastly underrating the influence of Flea and Frusciante. Everyone from Kanye to Pearl Jam have said they're been influenced (Pearl Jam even said they wouldn't have existed without RHCP). RATM as well. Anderson .Paak leans heavily on some of the groovier, funkier RHCP songs, and he's been his love of them known. Primus as well.
He's definitely a creep and there's some pretty indefensible stuff in their past. Don't get me wrong.Ok you got me with RATM and Paak. I’m still gonna keep hating Kiedis though.
Axl did reference Lynn Hirschberg's infamous Vanity Fair article onstage. In fact, he did so five days before the two were slated to appear at the 1992 MTV Video Music Awards - a broadcast that was a VERY big deal for a young Bozo Texino. Anyway, this whole thing happened after Nirvana had rejected his offer to open for GNR and Metallica on their big tour. Axl referred to Cobain as "a junkie with a junkie wife" and said "if the baby is born deformed, I think they both ought to go to prison."I just remembered Axl said something pretty brutal - but perhaps not unfair - about Courtney taking heroin when pregnant with Frances Bean. I’m not sure where that fits in with the rivalry/GnR hatred timeline.
That selling out shit was so tiresome in the 90s. Always thought hip hop guys must’ve been cracking up at the alternative and punk guys -you guys are doing it wrong, the more we brag about our money, the more our fans love us.
Yeah, I'm just joking around. RHCP are just so fucking corny. They've been a dealbreaker band for me in relationships along with Imagine Dragons and Aerosmith.What on earth? The video was inescapable for years on MTV. I mean, as you pointed out, it was big enough for Weird Al to parody it AND make a video for that parody. Not that Grammys really matter, but it won the Grammy for Best Hard Rock Performance in 1993.
Yeah, Soul to Squeeze is an amazing song.Whatever guys, I liked Soul to Squeeze
Yeah, I did too. I am not sure I found the characters *all* as deeply immoral and awful as some of the hosts did. I think it was pretty clear that everyone existed in a varying shade of gray, which was sort of a metaphor for the financial industry as a whole (from the investors to the banks to the regulators), where the only "real" victims are the ones that aren't involved at all but get fucked anyway.Can you guys move all this music talk to The Ringer thread? This thread is supposed to be about The Rewatchables podcast, not the 60 Songs that Explain the 90s pod. I'm fine with a minor threadjack from time to time, but when it goes on for more than two pages, it really should be split off to its own thread or find a more appropriate one.
I enjoyed the Margin Call episode. (Back on thread!)
I've got a brilliant idea! Our sleazy fixed income trader will be played by Tom Hanks! What can go wrong?Yeah, I did too. I am not sure I found the characters *all* as deeply immoral and awful as some of the hosts did. I think it was pretty clear that everyone existed in a varying shade of gray, which was sort of a metaphor for the financial industry as a whole (from the investors to the banks to the regulators), where the only "real" victims are the ones that aren't involved at all but get fucked anyway.
And I really could not see Tom Hanks or even Russell Crowe in the Spacey part. He was so perfect at privileged-with-a-touch-of-grievance smarm.
Penn Badgley as ‘the worst’ character from a moral/ethical perspective is quite a take from Koppelman, and I’m only 7 minutes in!Yeah, I did too. I am not sure I found the characters *all* as deeply immoral and awful as some of the hosts did. I think it was pretty clear that everyone existed in a varying shade of gray, which was sort of a metaphor for the financial industry as a whole (from the investors to the banks to the regulators), where the only "real" victims are the ones that aren't involved at all but get fucked anyway.
And I really could not see Tom Hanks or even Russell Crowe in the Spacey part. He was so perfect at privileged-with-a-touch-of-grievance smarm. If you had to recast it today, I'd actually say Steve Carrell would be a decent fit. That part is supposed to be at least somewhat sympathetic; he's the one guy with some power that is trying to do the "right" thing, even if it's unclear what his motivations are.
I think Koppelman probably suffers from being active in the industry. He clearly wants Zach Quinto to be in billions, he's probably trying to butter up others for whatever purposes, and he's certainly not going to crap all over people. Hard to say Simon Baker is a hack when, well, maybe you need him someday (or somebody who has the same agent, or whatever).I’m only about halfway through but Koppelman saying Penn Badgley’s character was clearly the worst person of all the characters was baffling. He was maybe the most sympathetic of all of them. He was a little annoying to the older generation but to me he was just a young, brash, naive kid who was just coming to grips with what was actually happening. Irons was the worst and his speech at the end about all the times this happened before and saying it will happen again but he’d be fine cemented that.
Also I only just watched this movie for the first time Koppelman saying it was one of the most rewatchable movies of the past 10 years was weird too. It was well made, great writing and great acting but it’s like 1/10th as rewatchable as The Big Short and that’s just sticking in this exact genre. We just have vastly different tastes
Penn Badgley as ‘the worst’ character from a moral/ethical perspective is quite a take from Koppelman, and I’m only 7 minutes in!
I kind of get where he's coming from; Badgely's character is the one most interested in the completely superficial elements of money and finance. He has absolutely zero interest in contemplating what it means to society, much less how things impact other people. He doesn't even care enough to rationalize it away like Irons' character does.I’m only about halfway through but Koppelman saying Penn Badgley’s character was clearly the worst person of all the characters was baffling. He was maybe the most sympathetic of all of them. He was a little annoying to the older generation but to me he was just a young, brash, naive kid who was just coming to grips with what was actually happening. Irons was the worst and his speech at the end about all the times this happened before and saying it will happen again but he’d be fine cemented that.
Also I only just watched this movie for the first time Koppelman saying it was one of the most rewatchable movies of the past 10 years was weird too. It was well made, great writing and great acting but it’s like 1/10th as rewatchable as The Big Short and that’s just sticking in this exact genre. We just have vastly different tastes
Wait how do I podcast? I just go into iTunes and buy?Holy fuck: it's here. Boogie Nights. 2 parts*. Four hours and twenty minutes total. Bill, Chris, and Sean.
Buckle up.
(*Presumably split on the 1980 lil Bill transition)
You don't need to buy it. You can get the podcast via iTunes, however. Just search "The Rewatchables" and it will come up.Wait how do I podcast? I just go into iTunes and buy?
Plenty of jokes on this podcast about how this is the last Rewatchables. But it's also one of the most popular pods on the Ringer Network, so it's not going anywhere.Wow I can’t believe they finally did Boogie Nights. Bill always said he would end the rewatchables once they did it, but I doubt they will, too many other big movies left.
Wait what? You've never listened to a podcast? That's an extreme outlier on this thread.Wait how do I podcast? I just go into iTunes and buy?
It's on Spotify. Or, if you prefer, download "Stitcher" on your phone and it's available on there.Wait how do I podcast? I just go into iTunes and buy?
Aliens and National Lampoons Vacation remain the two that I can't believe they haven't done yet.The movie I can't believe they haven't done is LA Story; seems like the perfect type of movie they would do for the pod. I need to have a long discussion about Steve Martin's outfits in that movie; he dresses like a 90 year old man.
Thanks for this - watched it up to Feel, Feel, Feel My Heat last night and hadn't seen it in years. Seeing Phil Hoffman so young and at his chameleonic best made me so sad. What a loss.Heads up - Boogie Nights leaves Netflix after Friday.
Man, that is a dark, dark scene.I've listened to two hours of Boogie Nights content and I can't believe there's more than 2 hours to go but it does deliver. Epic stuff.
A little surprised that they forgot Rollergirl's real name in the movie which was Brandy...
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