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FL4WL3SS said:
If you trade Krejci, who do you replace him with? Do you go into next season with Bergeron/Soderberg/Spooner?
 
What about Lucic's play makes youw ant to extend him?
 
I don't see the rationale behind those moves, but am all ears.
Bergeron / Soderberg / Spooner is fine if you get stronger elsewhere. You'd be saving a ton of money so I presume you could play the FA market as well. It's your most tradeable big salary and again, as long as you make the playoffs I think you have a chance.
 
I don't really want to extend Lucic that much, but if his stock is down enough that he'll take a 3 or 4-year deal for something reasonable, I'm fine with it. Not likely, I guess.
 

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The only issue I have is that it's not uncommon for players to say it took them 12-18 months to truly come back from a serious knee injury such as Seidenberg's.  Recall that September Gronk was nowhere near January Gronk.  So, while i understand the points raised in the article, unless there's a chance to offload him and his salary, I don't see him being a buyout candidate or being sent to Providence. 
His possession numbers were way down before his injury and he's 33 years old. He might just be you know, old and done.
 

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He's been not good but didn't we pretty much know that was going to be the case? I thought I remember reading somewhere that while it was good enough to play on it takes up to a full year for that kind of injury to fully heal and get back to where he was. So I guess my hope is that it's not age it's that he just has never really been totally healthy and it'll be better next year.
Which is another part of the reason I'm so meh about this year and am willing to write it off as a lost year.
This may be the case, but it has been 15 months since the injury, and he's already had 70+ games. Maybe a full offseason of training with a healthy knee helps? Who knows? I just think there is a lot to be concerned about.
 

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If you can find a taker for Seids, you do it, no questions asked. I'm skeptical that there will be any takers, though - I think we may need to resign ourselves to carrying a $4 million third pair D on the roster.
 
I would float Chara's name just to see if there is stong interest.  To be clear, I still think Chara will be a valuable player for years to come, there is no need whatsoever to "get rid of him" or anything.  I just don't think he's untouchable, anymore.  Keith Yandle was worth a very good prospect (Anthony Duclair), a first round pick, and a (bottom pair?) defenseman - that's a damned good package for a player who isn't in Chara's league.  Looking back, the Paul Pierce/Kevin Garnett trade seems like one of Ainge's best moves and a key part of turning the team around.  If Chiarelli has a chance to make a deal with that kind of impact, he should absolutely do it.  If that kind of deal isn't out there, fine - keep Chara.
 
I would move Milan Lucic.  Not sure what his value is, but he's not productive enough to justify $6 million in cap space.  And the team needs a shakeup.  (Despite previous comments I don't really think there will be deals made for Seids and Chara).  
 
Carl Soderberg is a tough one.  I like him, but he seems like a good third line guy, maybe a second liner if others are carrying the line (maybe Krejci/Pastrnak/Soderberg would work as a line).  If the price is right, I sign him, but I wouldn't make it a priority.
 
I'd also be open to dealing Loui Eriksson.  He's had a good year, but he's trending down.  If there's a market for Reilly Smith, I listen to offers but this is probably the wrong time to be dealing him, with his stock at an all time low.
 
Thanks for the memories Campbell/Paille.  Don't let the doorknob hit you on the way out.
 
Guys I keep up front are Bergeron (obviously), Marchand, Krejci, Connolly, Spooner, Pasternak, Smith, Ferlin. Talbot will also be around. That's 9. I think that when the dust settles, we will still have 1-2 of Lucic, Eriksson, Soderberg.  If all are gone, I'd bring back Kelly.  That leaves a few slots for prospects, guys coming back in trades, or free agents.
 
On defense, I think we'll return just about everyone: Chara, Seids, Krug, Hamilton, Miller, Bart the kids.  Is McQuaid a free agent?  He can leave. They need to add a veteran second-pair caliber guy and probably move Bart, who badly needs a change of scenery.  Obviously they will need more here should they end up dealing Chara, but I doubt that would happen. 
 
In goal, they need a backup, unless they think Subban will be ready or Svedberg is better than what he's shown.
 

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After quite a bit of thinking, and research - here is my tentative plan.
 
 
 
Ivan Provorov / D 
Again - assuming the standings stay the same - I don't see him making it past FLA or COL. The Bruins move up to take this exceptional 2-Way D Man who has great offensive flair. 
 
 
TSC, good take all around.  Tough call on if Provorov will be around at 9.   Most are ranking him as the #1 D in the draft and I'd have to think he'd be a great fit for Philly.  Would you do the Dallas deal without the guarantee of him being available?
 
I'd be willing to sweeten the pot and try to get Columbus' or NJ's pick to get into the top 7.
 

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RIFan said:
TSC, good take all around.  Tough call on if Provorov will be around at 9.   Most are ranking him as the #1 D in the draft and I'd have to think he'd be a great fit for Philly.  Would you do the Dallas deal without the guarantee of him being available?
 
I'd be willing to sweeten the pot and try to get Columbus' or NJ's pick to get into the top 7.
 
As far as I know, Hanifin is the #1D in the draft - and could go 3rd after McDavid and Eichel. And there's some debate between Werenski and Provorov as the #2. I think I would offer the trade regardless. On my team we need the cap space for Franson, and Werenski is not a bad consolation if Provorov isn't available. 
 
And define "sweeten the pot" for Columbus and NJ. I don't see a rebuilding team like NJ being interested in Seids. Columbus - maybe. 
 

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As far as I know, Hanifin is the #1D in the draft - and could go 3rd after McDavid and Eichel. And there's some debate between Werenski and Provorov as the #2. I think I would offer the trade regardless. On my team we need the cap space for Franson, and Werenski is not a bad consolation if Provorov isn't available. 
 
And define "sweeten the pot" for Columbus and NJ. I don't see a rebuilding team like NJ being interested in Seids. Columbus - maybe. 
You're right on Hanifan, stupid overlook on my part.  Hanifan obviously is the more complete package.  I was thinking more as the D with the most offensive upside.  Werenski is bigger and projects as a more complete D, but it seems like he is going to take a little longer to develop.   Either way, I like the idea of a cost controlled puck mover as insurance against Krug getting too costly. 
 

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It's ambitious, and I'm all for it, but I don't think the Bruins have the assets to move up in the draft. On normal years, teams very rarely move out of the top 10 anyways. In the last 5 years there have only been 5 top-10 picks traded. 2 were the Kessel trade. None last year. In 2013, NJ traded #9 for Schneider and in 2012 Carolina traded #8 for Jordan Staal and the last was 2011 Columbus traded #8 (and Voracek, yikes) for Jeff Carter. Seidenberg and #13 (current spot) probably doesn't even get them up to #12. Basically, even in weak drafts, the only time teams move top 10 picks is if they get a young, controllable player in return. I think the price to move up would be very hefty. This draft is freaking loaded though, so if there's some way of doing it, sign me up.
 

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I've been watching BU whenever I can due to my Eichel love, and I've come to believe that the Bruins already have their Krug insurance in Grzelcyk. He profiles similarly, and is having a fairly monstrous year--better than Krug's last year at MSU.

That said, I'm certainly not opposed to drafting Provorov. I wouldn't base my draft strategy on the organization's needs for a puck-mover, though. Best player available in what is supposed to be a deep draft would be great.
 

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AgentOrange said:
I've been watching BU whenever I can due to my Eichel love, and I've come to believe that the Bruins already have their Krug insurance in Grzelcyk. He profiles similarly, and is having a fairly monstrous year--better than Krug's last year at MSU.

That said, I'm certainly not opposed to drafting Provorov. I wouldn't base my draft strategy on the organization's needs for a puck-mover, though. Best player available in what is supposed to be a deep draft would be great.
 
Provorov is more than just an offensive defensemen like Krug though. I'd say he's closer to a Duncan Keith or Kronwall kind of D. The kid can, and does use his body. You're drafting him hoping he ends up a #1 D, not a protected PP specialist who is deficient in his own zone (Krug).
 

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I am really done with this 4th line playing more than the Lucic/Spooner/Pastrnak line.
Playing Campbell is playing not to lose.  Playing the Ducks at home and scoring 2 goals in 60+ minutes is inexcusable.
 
I don't know if I'd cut Campbell or fire Claude, but I can't take them getting more ice time.
 

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I am really done with this 4th line playing more than the Lucic/Spooner/Pastrnak line.
Playing Campbell is playing not to lose.  Playing the Ducks at home and scoring 2 goals in 60+ minutes is inexcusable.
 
I don't know if I'd cut Campbell or fire Claude, but I can't take them getting more ice time.
Why?
 
The Ducks have given up two goals or less in more than half of their road games.
 
They're, like, really good.
 

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AgentOrange said:
I've come to believe that the Bruins already have their Krug insurance in Grzelcyk. He profiles similarly, and is having a fairly monstrous year--better than Krug's last year at MSU.
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Krug lead Michigan State in goals, assists and points as a junior.

I agree that Grzelcyk may be Krug's eventual replacement but his season this year has not been better than Krugs last at MSU.
 

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Krug lead Michigan State in goals, assists and points as a junior.

I agree that Grzelcyk may be Krug's eventual replacement but his season this year has not been better than Krugs last at MSU.
The Bruins should probably put more effort into trying to expand their talent base than in trying to find ways to replace their most talented players.
 
Just because Krug is a specialist type player today at age 23 is no reason to assume that's all he will ever be.  
 

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The Bruins should probably put more effort into trying to expand their talent base than in trying to find ways to replace their most talented players.
 
Just because Krug is a specialist type player today at age 23 is no reason to assume that's all he will ever be.  
I agree, with the cap expanding and his 3.4 cap hit for next year, a 4/16 contract would have been better in the long term for age 24-28 seasons.

I'm unsure if these two one year deals are from the Krug camp looking to maximize $$$ or the Bruins lacking cap space and wanted more future flexibility.
 

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I would almost guarantee the one year deals are the preference of Krug and not the Bruins.

I mentioned it in the gamethread but there is an argument to be made that he's been their best and/or most consistent defenseman this year. His defensive abilities aren't even that bad and the skating dimension he gives them is unlike anyone Bruins defenseman I've seen in recent memory.

It's amazing that all 30 teams passed on drafting him.
 

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I'm going to cheat and bump this thread now, since they did end up collapsing on the final road trip (seriously, not one point?), allowing the league's great Cinderella story to be told. I'm also going to change my own premise and say I'm a main advisor to Cam and Charlie, because declaring the individual poster the GM presumed no chance of Chiarelli staying, and to take that option off the table is unfair.
 
That said, here's how I'd handle the next four months, hoping to lay the foundation for a better three to four years:
 
-The exit interviews are going to be important to the future of the management staff, from coach to GM. Apathy or organized anger by the players will make me question Julien's future in Boston. As of today, I'd probably keep everyone around, but with two things in mind:
 
     -Chiarelli's getting a shopping list, and he's to stick to it. If that's too much for him, we'll get the guy who can do it.
     -Provided Chiarelli survives, Julien is on a fairly short leash next year. Another inconsistent season with the Chara window slamming shot won't be tolerated.
 
That said, if the exit interviews go sour, I'm not married to these two. At all.
 
-For personnel moves, there's going to be a little bloodletting here. Not a gutting as some might want, but some of the flotsam at the edges of the roster that won't ever be more than role players are about to be given the boot. 
 
The philosophy is the blue line has been the biggest letdown of 2014-15. What was once a deep, cohesive unit that wasn't very fast but moved the puck well saw their former top pair age in dog years due to knee injuries, one of their two up-and-coming defensemen having a bit of an inconsistent season, and a really good top-4 player get sacrificed to the Cap God, Matthew Wuest. Torey Krug was their best all-around defenseman, and as much as Krug is an important part of the team, he shouldn't have to be that at this age. Compounding the defense's struggles was the inability to fix it due to a cap penalty for the Iginla year, a stagnant cap (pro-tip: if it's tied to the Canadian dollar, it's not getting better any time soon), and heavy investment in relatively fungible guys. The cherry on top was extending Reilly Smith at a point in the season that you could've gambled, waited, and perhaps signed him to a more team-friendly deal than 2 years/$3.4M AAV. That may be what he's worth, but there was no reason to do that when they did. With that said...
 
     -Paille and Campbell are gone. Completely. We all railed against Julien's decision to constantly defer to those two on the fourth line when it could've been an opportunity to try their younger, faster players against NHL competition. Hell, had Krejci not spent half the year injured, maybe Spooner's 90% on the road to a bust. That decision, whether Julien stays or not, needs to be ripped from his hands like yesterday.
     -I'd agressively shop Lucic. He's due a raise after 2015-16, and I don't want to gamble on him figuring it all out on a $7M+ AAV contract into the next decade. He has value to someone in the NHL, let them pay him while he can still bring value.
     -Smith and Eriksson are out there for the right price. While they'll probably go down as the greatest returns for Tyler Seguin, that doesn't exclude them from being traded to validate the trade. I think both still have value to the Bruins, but if someone values them more, move them on.
     -Kelly's a funny case for me. He does a lot well, but he's not particularly flashy about it. He might be worth his contract, but not more than it. If they can clear a decent amount of cap space and keep him, I would. However, if his contract is the one stumbling block to revamping this team the way I want, I try to find something that works for everyone.
     -Soderberg's getting squeezed by me. Teams finally figured him out a bit this year, and the chemistry with Eriksson wasn't enough to overcome it. Set a value, stick to it, and if someone values him more, let him walk.
     -As much as I love what he's done for the team, Seidenberg is just too big a gamble for me to take. This might be the worst trade to make, as it'll almost certainly involve losing a decent prospect or player to keep from eating an albatross in return, but he's not likely to be a big part of this team for long anyway.
     -Even more out-there is the idea that I see how the league values Chara. I know, he's the captain of the team and has been downright vital to their renaissance, but right now, he's signed until he's 40, and at a big number. While I'm willing to move Seidenberg at all costs, I want to see if Chara can rebound, but not if a team throws the farm (or the relative equivalent) to take him. Besides, sooner or later, Bergeron's wearing the C in Boston, and there's little question of that.
     -Miller and McQuaid are the same kind of fungible garbage that somehow got top-4 minutes for this team. If they're coming back, they need to be made superfluous. No defenseman that comes into Boston should be below those two on the depth chart.
     -Rask isn't going anywhere. Barring Godfather offers, neither are Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, Spooner, Pastrnak, Dougie, nor Krug.
     -One of Subban or MacIntyre are going to be big trade chips this summer. My hope is it's Subban; the family name has enough cache in the league to probably get an overpay out of some desperate team (read: Edmonton).
 
-For draft strategy, in Gretzky we trust, as 2014 is already looking to be a better draft class than most of the previous 8. If there's a focus to be had, it's on finding some depth at defense in the organization. They're okay at forward, and stacked in goal, but Joe Morrow, David Warsofsky, and Matt Grzelcyk are the depth below the NHL level on this team. I would want more to look at.
 
With that, the expectation going into 2015-16 is going to be lower. That's fine for me, as I want to see a bit more of the cheap, young talent carry this team now that people like Krejci, Bergeron, and Rask aren't that young and certainly aren't cheap. If they can get meaningful contributions from the youth, they could be competitive for a playoff spot in an increasingly tough division next year, and racing with the up-and-comers beyond that. The one thing I'd avoid is a huge overreaction to a slightly disappointing year by cleaning house willy-nilly and making problems where there were none.