It's more than the Ashes - Cricket 2015

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Since the last Ashes thread was started in the middle of the first test, I figured we'd get things underway early. For a quick recap, England were pasted in the 2013-14 Ashes 5-0, and it got so not competitive that you could set your watch to the England batting collapses. A lot of that England squad is long gone, and yet, they're still losing just about every tour they're involved with.
 
England named their squad for the first test in Cardiff July 8-12, and it's a little light on experience.
 
Australia's 17-man touring squad, on the other hand, includes a lot of the same squad from the 2013-14 whitewash.
 

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Excellent thread starting.  
 
Fascinating summer ahead.  2 months ago, Australia would be have been short odds for a 5-0 victory.  England looked well short of competing during their drawn series in the West Indies.  Since then, a tight test series against New Zealand and a successful ODI series against the same opposition have indicated some signs of life.  Cook seems to have found his test form, Root is among the best in the world right now, and Buttler / Stokes are both exceptional talents who seem to be finding their feet at the test match level.  
 
That said, Australia remain very warm favourites.  England lack a quality spin bowling option, and their pace attack is either aging quickly (Broad, Anderson) or of limited experience (Wood).  Australia undoubtedly have the best pace bowling attack in the world, and a batting line up at least the equal of England.  So it's hard to see past the Aussies winning the series as a whole.  But it should be closer than was expected a couple of months ago, and if the Aussies run into a little injury trouble, things could get closer quickly.
 

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I always enjoy seeing the new young English opener whose career Alistair Cook will Destroy.
 
?  Explain please.  Not quite sure I see what Cook does to destroy his opening colleagues.  He's just not found the right one yet.  Lyth will be fine - he'll get runs as the summer goes on, despite missing out today.  He's the clear best option in English domestic cricket.  
 

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It's quite a body count now. Carberry, Robson, Compton, this fuck, I'm sure I've missed some.

But yeah he'll be fine, Cook won't be slagging this one off to journos after two test matches, this one will be different.
 

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It's quite a body count now. Carberry, Robson, Compton, this fuck, I'm sure I've missed some.

But yeah he'll be fine, Cook won't be slagging this one off to journos after two test matches, this one will be different.
 
He's seen off Trott and Strauss too.  And technically Root as well, although he's a happy place in the middle order.  Fair point that it's a revolving door.  I think it's generally been poor selection decisions - Cook's leadership is generally more damaging then his form with the bat!
 

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So who should be more disappointed in themselves at the end of the day? England for losing 7 wickets without Johnson taking one or Australia for allowing 340 on the first day? Also, what does the limited Test experience tell us about how the wicket will hold up over the next four days?
 

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Cook just took a shot to the bits. Tried to just walk it off but he's back in the clubhouse now, Dean Cosker is the substitute fielder.
 

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MiracleOfO2704 said:
Cook just took a shot to the bits. Tried to just walk it off but he's back in the clubhouse now, Dean Cosker is the substitute fielder.
 
I can guarantee that this is only time Dean Cosker's name will appear on a baseball message board.  The very definition of an average English county pro.  
 
Fascinating game brewing.  England are ahead, but have lost wickets too quickly in the second innings.  They'd have wanted a lead of 450+ to feel safe, but look like they will have to settle for under 400.  Game on when the Aussies bat next - if the pitch goes flat and dead, 400 might just be possible to win this
 

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Best man in the crease for Australia in the second innings? Mitchell Johnson.

Part of me wonders if the Swatec isn't England's version of the WACA: a wicket so foreign that even the English aren't totally acquainted to it.
 

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MiracleOfO2704 said:
Best man in the crease for Australia in the second innings? Mitchell Johnson.

Part of me wonders if the Swatec isn't England's version of the WACA: a wicket so foreign that even the English aren't totally acquainted to it.
 
Mitch showed the Aussie top order how they should have batted.  Bat time, and hit the bad balls - Moeen will always throw enough of those in without having to over-attack.  Quite a few others need to have a look at ther plans after that effort with the bat.
 
Cardiff is technically in a different country, so it is pretty foreign.  But it's fairly typical of English pitches at the moment - lowish, slowish, flattish.  The test grounds really need 4 days of full ticket sales, so they're actively trying to lengthen test matches through flat pitches.  It does also nullify the better weapons in the Aussie bowling attack, so I'd expect to see more of the same through the rest of the summer.
 
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I can guarantee that this is only time Dean Cosker's name will appear on a baseball message board.  The very definition of an average English county pro.  
 
I was once Dean Cosker's teammate in a six-a-side tournament held as part of Robert Croft's benefit year at Glamorgan. So there.
 
I find it difficult to believe that England will dominate the second test as thoroughly as they did the first - the Lord's wicket should have a bit more life in it, which will make Johnson in particular look less ordinary, and as you suggest I also think Australia will have a better gameplan when facing Moeen. Still, this series feels much more interesting than it did a week ago, which is fantastic for anyone who loves test cricket.
 

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I find it difficult to believe that England will dominate the second test as thoroughly as they did the first - the Lord's wicket should have a bit more life in it, which will make Johnson in particular look less ordinary, and as you suggest I also think Australia will have a better gameplan when facing Moeen. Still, this series feels much more interesting than it did a week ago, which is fantastic for anyone who loves test cricket.
 
Well, through 5 1/2 sessions at Lord's, yeah, there's something to this.
 
England bowlers can't get anyone's wicket yesterday, and today the top collapses to 30-4. If Cook or Stokes lose their wicket today, a follow-on could be in play.
 
136 all out. Jimmy made the ball talk today.
 
This feels a bit like the first Ashes test I ever watched - Egbaston 1997, when Australia got rolled in their first innings and then England were wobbling on 50-3 in response before Thorpe (134) and Hussain (207) both got centuries and England cruised to a series lead. Here's hoping...
 

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ConigliarosPotential said:
136 all out. Jimmy made the ball talk today.
 
This feels a bit like the first Ashes test I ever watched - Egbaston 1997, when Australia got rolled in their first innings and then England were wobbling on 50-3 in response before Thorpe (134) and Hussain (207) both got centuries and England cruised to a series lead. Here's hoping...
 
...a series lead that ultimately ended in series defeat.  But yes, let's hope for the first element of that at least.
 
Big morning session ahead.  The pitch should be best for batting today and tomorrow, so England need 350 minimum on the board first dig.  I could see the Aussies getting it right second time around and putting 400+ up, so England can't get rolled cheaply.
 
Hopefully Bell was made the watch the video of his dismissal on a loop last night, until he realised what a total waste it was. England need to show Lyon more respect, not go all out attack on him from day 1. 
 
Well done England - today was slightly more nervy than I'd hoped, and with Jimmy now out of the 4th Test the odds of another swing of the pendulum at Trent Bridge are high, but you can't complain about being 2-1 up with two matches left. Although actually, I can complain about the hopefully batting approach both sides took throughout this match; this is Test cricket, and just about every batsman on both sides (including Ian Bell and his ridiculous "let's try to run the ball down to third man through three slips and a gully" shot which resulted in a dropped catch today) needs to take a hard look in the mirror over the next six days.
 

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Australia all out for 60 on the first day of the 4th test.  60!!  All out in 18.3 overs.
 
Stuart Broad 8-15 in 9.3 overs.
 
Incredible.
 

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I can't believe I forgot the test match was on this morning.
 
You're not alone.  So did the Aussie top order.  And middle order.  
 
Remarkable morning - England just did the basics.  Put the ball in the right place, let it nibble around a bit, and caught all their catches.  The Aussies just nicked everything, and pretty much everything went to a fielder.  The bowing was good but not remarkable, Australia had simple failure of technique - it's not going to be a high scoring test, but there's nothing much to fear in the pitch.  A collective failure of confidence, technique and mentality.
 
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You're not alone.  So did the Aussie top order.  And middle order.  
 
Remarkable morning - England just did the basics.  Put the ball in the right place, let it nibble around a bit, and caught all their catches.  The Aussies just nicked everything, and pretty much everything went to a fielder.  The bowing was good but not remarkable, Australia had simple failure of technique - it's not going to be a high scoring test, but there's nothing much to fear in the pitch.  A collective failure of confidence, technique and mentality.
 
As things stand, it might be a high scoring test for one of the two sides. England could absolutely win this test by an innings and 300 runs or some other incredibly stupid margin like that.
 
Of course, I've been absolutely wrong about pretty much everything in this series, so Australia will probably score 500+ in their second innings.
 

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Not quite an innings and 300 runs but good enough. Really didn't see this coming, now I've gone the other way and decided that, with Clarke retiring, Oz could be in for a dry spell. Lots of ageing dudes on that team who aren't that good.
 

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Or both sides are really good at playing in their particular conditions and horrible at playing in the other guys'. Yeah, Clarke and Haddin going won't help Australia going forward, but you're telling me Johnson, Starc, et. al. won't be better on the Australian wickets? I actually wonder if we won't see the Urn constantly changing hands for a few years.
 

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All test match cricket is tailored to home, which is why any overseas win by a touring country is such a monumental victory. Whether it's the shitty cracked cement of india or the soft muddy slop of england, the lively zest of Australia or the capitulant green of New Zealand, players grow up playing, training and learning on their own wickets.
 
Australia could have won this series, it was never impossible. But they haven't and at least now we'll get a clean out.
 
Our fast bowling is fucking tops. No doubt about that, now and into the future. Johnson, Starc, Hazelwood, Pattinson and a lot of other dudes who all look alot like Starc did 5 years - too young, too scared, too unpolished - are lining up to rival the great fast bowlin battle for spots that we've always been known for.
 
Our spin is fucking shit, it's been fucking shit since Warne and Magilla, it's not going to stop being fucking shit and the fact it's fucking shit has a pretty demonstrable effect on our batsmen who can't play fucking spin because the spinners they play against are fucking shit.
 
Our bats are shit, and that doesn't look likely to change. Warner's one of those players you carry for the time every now and again he destroys the new ball, both openers and their mums and lets the middle order bat with 100 on the board and no pressure. That's cool; with someone like Rogers by his side you're ok to carry someone like that. But Rogers won't be by his side anymore and when you lose consistency you start to notice how many 2 over 0-20 run digs Warner has and you cry. Steve Smith's a world class bat, and then you're done.
 
But the big issue with Australian cricket is the fact they're all monumental pieces of shit. With the exception of maybe - maybe - Steve Smith, every veteran player on the current team is a class A fuckwit.
 
Chris Rogers punches orphans and sells his tickets to buy tobacco induced facial cream he hopes won't push him over the edge of intoxication mid-innings.
David Warner punches Joe Root, which is good, but he is a racist rootrat thug from Little Bay with a big house, a big head and no idea.
Steve Smith is rad.
Michaal Clarke is a whiny, oversensitive, precious egotist whose greatest contribution to world cricket apart from that 330-odd not-out I saw at Sydney a few years ago and all those other runs was to give his throat to Simon Katich as a place to rest his weary kung fu gripped fist.
Smarsh and Mmarsh, the brat twins, are nouveau rich brats of cricket whose dad - a national selector - is a national fucking selector. They're horrible people who delight in kicking puppies and getting their dad to make the puppies apologise. And they're shit at cricket.
Adam Voges once got noticed in the dressing room by other players.
Shane Watson is literally the worst human being on the planet who has as many test tonnes as Marcus North except they all came against Bangladesh or Pakistan in the series we know the whole Pakistani team was taking money.
Brad Haddin is a racist asshole, one of those racist asshole who says "i'm not racist, I say horrible things about people's race to EVERY opposing batsmen, not just the ones from India and the West Indies and New Zealand". His daughter's sick though which is admittedly heart breaking for all.
Mitchell Johnson is a psychotic, tempermental fuckwit who only got good when he finally bought into his own hype which is cool because he's pretty good, especially on Australian pitches, but bad because he's also totally bought into the idea that he's super badass and not actually just a complete wanker.
Mitchell Starc used to be a kid trying to get a spot, now he's a pretty good bowler who adores, reveres and emulates Mitchell Johnson but unfortunately not just in style but also in being a complete asshole.
Josh Hazlewood's cool.
Nathan Lyon is a little ratty rat faced rattyman who turns up every week, gets smashed, takes a couple wickets and by virtue of being the least shit 'spinner' has more wickets than just about anyone which is exactly how he acts in the dressing room where he just laughs all rat-like at every sexist joke about racist minorities that David Warner makes before saying "GOOD ONE DAVEY, CAN I GET YOU ANOTHER BEER MATE" and then getting punched in the face by Warner who then farts on him and makes a joke about gay people.
Peter Siddle became a vegetarian to make up for being from Victoria but it hasn't worked because he still proudly wears a flavour saver badge of honour as if to say "look out world, you can take me out of Melbourne but you can't take being a fuckwit from Melbourne out of me".
 
And all of this is generated from the top by a man whose greatest virtue was not being the biggest fuckwit on the Australian team when he played but only because he played with Mathew HAYDOS! Hayden and Justin 'no brain activity' Langer in BOOF Lehman.
 
His name is Boof.
 
So, yeah. Australian cricket. I love cricket so much. I love Australia and I love watching Australia play cricket. The cognitive dissonance in sport between 'I like Australia but everyone on the Australian team except the guys you don't get to know because they're just gonna be shot by the Victor Charlie's tomorrow anyway' has never been more relevant. Apart from Smithy - a guy whose greatest joy in life is apparently greyhound racing and potential for future dickhead factor is high - we're in serious trouble.
 
But yeah, I'm still going to Hobart to watch us play the Kiwis and will keep lining up to run the Paddington Gift from 3.30am every day of the Sydney Test. Because fuck you guys, at least I'm not from England.
 
Not sure if this is worth resurrecting as an all-round cricket thread, but what's happening in the Abu Dhabi test match just now is pretty extraordinary - the pitch is a complete road, Pakistan made 523-8 dec before England responded with 598-9 dec, and out of nowhere England have just bowled out Pakistan in the second innings for just 173 and have 19 overs (or about 50 minutes given the deteriorating light) to chase 99 for an amazing victory.
 
Not enough light in the end, sadly - given another 20-25 minutes England probably would have won, as they were well ahead of the run rate and had enough overs in hand, but it finished in a draw. I'm not sure there's another sporting sensation like cricket in this situation, when you have no firm sense of when the match will end even after five long days of action.