The opportunity cost is in time, not draft capital; they've wasted the last three seasons playing Mac.
Tyquan has had exactly one career game with more than 37 yards receiving, so most of these games would have been the second-best game of his career.
Agreed but again they’re not screwed long term. The reset begins now. And I’m not sure that anyone knew he’d be so bad this year.
Three years is pretty long term in the NFL. It's not like they could have screwed up so bad it set them back 10 years.
Agreed, but they could have moved on after 2022 with little penalty as well, if they were so inclined. Mac's contract wasn't holding them back.
As horrible as he’s looked - and it’s been Human Centipede bad - I can’t blame them for trying to use 2023 to see if last year was an aberration what with the OC issues and whatnot.
Something about humble pie.
I love this so much. It never gets old.Any excuse to post this
that's the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit of white hot Pats takes over the last two decades.
Man I'm not sure if I would rate Borges or Tom Jackson as #1. It's like a 1A 1B situation for me.
I wish I put "in no specific order" I went back and forth on 1 & 2 a few times before just saying fuck it and posting. They're all such horrible takes I'm not sure I can really rank them.
Not to defend Borges, but just about every sportswriter at the time had the same take as him on the Seymour pick. Bill Simmons lamented passing on Terrell in favor of someone whose name could be written as "Seymour, Dick".
All the media wanted those guys instead of Seymour. I remember when belichick came out at the draft party that year that easily a third of the room of season ticket holders, including my crew all booed the pick. I remember that he looked stunned at the reaction and just looked at the crowd and gave a small smile and went back to his remarks. Most of the people there were sloshed. I think it was that year that my cousin wore his " ihumbled the humble one" tee shirt and we spent a good chunk of the afternoon hanging out with the humble one himself Aka Ron Hobson as well as Pete Brock.
Did you only start following the Pats in 2000? Why don't you have Ken Simms on your list? Putting Sonny on your list shows how ignorant your list is and that it involves a lot of recency bias. Besides Ken Simms, another Pats draft bust was Trevor Matiche an early 80s offensive lineman who now works on college football at ESPN. Every time I see his face on tv I want to punch the screen.
Serious knee and leg injuries in three straight training camps from ‘91-‘93, missed all three seasons and eventually retired.
4-Deflategate was real
I thought the worst of Borges was when he was penning a column for a national publication in addition to the one in The Globe.
My “list” was not meant to be comprehensive. I offered a handful of examples to get the conversation rolling.
Are you saying that the Pats should have drafted another QB at 15? Because of the 5 QBs drafted below him, only Davis Mills played any significant amount, went 5-19-1 over two seasons and the Texans decided to use their top pick on a QB.
No. I’m suggesting maybe it wasn’t the best year to draft a QB in the middle of the first round because after Lawrence, the talent gap widened significantly.
For 2021, he was the right guy. They could have tried another year of Cam-Ball, but he was clearly, deeply cooked. The free agent pool was shallow, headlined by Fitzmagic. Maybe trading down or taking someone like Najee Harris to compliment a run-first style offense might've worked, but the 2nd half of that first round is pretty bad.
The only glaring red flag when Mac was drafted was his arm strength. But lots of QBs have overcome below average arm strength from their college days. And for most of his rookie season, Mac was fine. In fact, he at one point looked like the best QB from that 2021 class.
This is where I am. QB was their biggest need and aside from maybe Parsons, there wasn’t any real impact players in the 15 range that would have helped right away. The FA QB options were Dalton (hasn’t had a winning season since 2015), Trubitsky (threw 8 passes) and Fitz (got hurt in week 1 and missed the season).
Canty... and this led to the WEEI "Chris Canty can dance" bit, played to "Everybody Dance Now", with Gil's radio call of the blitz / strip sack overlayed. Classic 90's EEI stuff.
Nice. A+ work.
Lol. There’s much more. Like this.
The bolded is just so rich. Mocking others’ ability to trust what they’re seeing because, well, OF COURSE you know better, right?
Chung was pretty bad. Was katzenmoyer in the first? Years after he was out of the NFL you would still see people wearing his hand jersey at pats games
The point is - and I share your view in general - is that reflects more on ownership than Mac if they clean house because he sucks.
Trent Dilfer yelling “They’re not good anymore!”, followed immediately by ‘we’re on to Cincinnati’ and winning 3 more Super Bowls
That does not, in any shape or form, make Mac the biggest draft bust in history. Without all the provided context in this thread about other #1 overall picks that were total busts, Mac leading the team to the playoffs his rookie year, the potential for a coaching change of a 72 year old coach and on an on, aside from you I don't think anyone feels Mac is the biggest bust in drafted Patriot history. Did it work out? No. Is this the most recent example, yes.
Forgetting the bust conversation, I'm not sure this is true. He became unplayable this year. He was special levels of bad IMO.
Sure, he was absolutely next level horrid in his last 8 starts or so, on the whole his career in New England was just bad, in my view.
