Hey Guys, I Just Thought of This Really Great Trade Idea! What Do you Think?

[ivanvamp]

Sellers and buyers.  Mets have an abundance of pitching.  Need bats desperately.  So....
 
Sox send Mets:
SP Buchholz 
OF Ramirez
3b Sandoval 
Prospect like Brentz 
 
Mets send Sox:
SP Harvey
3b Wright
 
The Mets take on a bunch of payroll, but improve offensively a TON.  They unload the injured Wright and his bad contract that pays him into his age 37 season.  They have to give up the top prize in the deal, Harvey, and obviously they don't ever want to trade him.  But they get back Buchholz, who is on a terrific contract and is pitching very well this season, comparable to Harvey.
 
Harvey:  3.33 FIP, 122 era+
Buchholz:  2.66 FIP, 114 era+
 
Improves the Mets considerably for this year, without really weakening their starting staff, leaving them with still more pitching to deal away for more help.  For the Sox, obviously the prize is Harvey, and the hope is that Wright can return healthy and produce more at his pre-2014 numbers.  That lets the kids play in the OF.  Obviously for this year, the Sox lose a lot of offense, but the hope is future-bound.
 
Just one of many crazy thoughts that will likely be talked about on SOSH over the next month.

 

[Thelobsterroll]

I don't think Ramirez needs to be traded. He is on pace for 35 homeruns. His defense is not what's sinking this team.

 

[FanSinceBoggs]

Of course, the Mets will not trade Harvey unless they receive a stud young player in return, and so that would mean Betts or Bogaerts just to get the conversation going.  The other problem: by acquiring Sandoval, the Mets are forced to play Hanley in LF and playing Hanley in LF was a blunder the Red Sox front office owns; no other organization in baseball is going to repeat that blunder.  The Mets front office is pretty smart--they know better than to play Hanley in LF.

 

[grimshaw]

Sellers and buyers.  Mets have an abundance of pitching.  Need bats desperately.  So....
 
Sox send Mets:
SP Buchholz 
OF Ramirez
3b Sandoval 
Prospect like Brentz 
 
Mets send Sox:
SP Harvey
3b Wright
 
The Mets take on a bunch of payroll, but improve offensively a TON.  They unload the injured Wright and his bad contract that pays him into his age 37 season.  They have to give up the top prize in the deal, Harvey, and obviously they don't ever want to trade him.  But they get back Buchholz, who is on a terrific contract and is pitching very well this season, comparable to Harvey.

So the Mets give up a cost controlled through 2018 5 WAR stud in his prime - worth roughly 30 million a year, for the most inconsistent pitcher in baseball and contracts the Red Sox want to get out from under stat.
 
Oh, and David Wright who is cheaper and a better player than Pablo Sandoval as a throw in.
 
Can you run this by Michael Holley first, at least?

 

[moondog80]

So the Mets give up a cost controlled through 2018 5 WAR stud in his prime - worth roughly 30 million a year, for the most inconsistent pitcher in baseball and contracts the Red Sox want to get out from under stat.
 
Oh, and David Wright who is cheaper and a better player than Pablo Sandoval as a throw in.
 
Can you run this by Michael Holley first, at least?

But they do get Bryce Brentz.

 

[ivanvamp]

So the Mets give up a cost controlled through 2018 5 WAR stud in his prime - worth roughly 30 million a year, for the most inconsistent pitcher in baseball and contracts the Red Sox want to get out from under stat.
 
Can you run this by Michael Holley first, at least?

 
Well I've been told by numerous people here that Buchholz really isn't injury prone and really isn't inconsistent, and that even his "bad Clay" years aren't really bad.  
 
99.9999% of the trade ideas ever mentioned on SOSH will never happen.  That shouldn't need to be said, but I'll say it anyway.  
 
Again, you can look at it the way you did, or you can look at it this way:  The Mets are absolutely flush with starting pitching.  They are in DESPERATE need for hitting.  Hanley and Panda *substantially* upgrade their offense.  Big, big time.  And the pitching they lose with Harvey is actually - for 2015 at least...who knows about the future - made up for by Buchholz, who's been every bit as good as Harvey this season.  
 
And speaking of bad contracts, you forget that the Mets unload Wright's very bad contract in this deal.  He's been injured a lot the past two seasons and his 2014 was pretty bad, so who knows if he'll ever be worth much moving forward.  The Sox take that risk because (a) they unload Hanley and Panda's contracts, and (b) they get Harvey.
 
The Mets would absolutely, positively be a significantly improved team in 2015 with this deal.  The Sox would not be.  If Clay stayed consistent, the Mets probably get the better end of this deal for the first 3 years of it.  The Sox would be hoping that Harvey reaches his immense potential and that Wright returns to good health and hits in Fenway.  The first is pretty likely, I think.  The second is a gigantic IF.

 

[Hee Sox Choi]

The Mets have a money problem.  That's taking on A LOT of salary (Buch+HR+Panda vs. Wright).

 

[moondog80]

 
Well I've been told by numerous people here that Buchholz really isn't injury prone and really isn't inconsistent, and that even his "bad Clay" years aren't really bad.  
 
99.9999% of the trade ideas ever mentioned on SOSH will never happen.  That shouldn't need to be said, but I'll say it anyway.  
 
Again, you can look at it the way you did, or you can look at it this way:  The Mets are absolutely flush with starting pitching.  They are in DESPERATE need for hitting.  Hanley and Panda *substantially* upgrade their offense.  Big, big time.  And the pitching they lose with Harvey is actually - for 2015 at least...who knows about the future - made up for by Buchholz, who's been every bit as good as Harvey this season.  
 
And speaking of bad contracts, you forget that the Mets unload Wright's very bad contract in this deal.  He's been injured a lot the past two seasons and his 2014 was pretty bad, so who knows if he'll ever be worth much moving forward.  The Sox take that risk because (a) they unload Hanley and Panda's contracts, and (b) they get Harvey.
 
The Mets would absolutely, positively be a significantly improved team in 2015 with this deal.  The Sox would not be.  If Clay stayed consistent, the Mets probably get the better end of this deal for the first 3 years of it.  The Sox would be hoping that Harvey reaches his immense potential and that Wright returns to good health and hits in Fenway.  The first is pretty likely, I think.  The second is a gigantic IF.

I will say this, Wright's contract is far worse than Panda's and Hanley's. I actually think Panda's isn't super-awful, and Hanley's is pretty close to reasonable.

 

[ivanvamp]

I think if you stop and really think about it, this idea isn't THAT crazy.  I think we see "Harvey" and immediately say NO F-ING WAY.  And maybe that's exactly how the Mets would see it too, almost no matter who the Sox offered in return.  And if so, obviously it's got no chance of happening.  But I just think that there's some sense to it.  I didn't just pull names out of a hat.  I looked at the Mets' needs and what the Sox could offer, given where each team is at.  The Sox could sweeten the pot by taking on a bunch of the salary for, say, 2015 and even maybe 2016 if cash is a problem for the Mets.  
 
Again, we all know this WON'T happen.  But I think a deal with the Mets could happen with this concept anyway.
 
EDIT:  I actually wonder what could happen if the Sox just dealt Panda for Wright plus a pitching prospect.  The Mets still get significantly better on offense this year.  Panda's contract is better than Wright's.  The Sox just take the chance and hope that Wright rebounds health and production wise hitting in Fenway.  

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Oh good, we're into the George Costanza, assistant to the General Manager, portion of the season?  Always fun.
 

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

I think if you stop and really think about it, this idea isn't THAT crazy.  I think we see "Harvey" and immediately say NO F-ING WAY.  And maybe that's exactly how the Mets would see it too, almost no matter who the Sox offered in return.  And if so, obviously it's got no chance of happening.  But I just think that there's some sense to it.  I didn't just pull names out of a hat.  I looked at the Mets' needs and what the Sox could offer, given where each team is at.  The Sox could sweeten the pot by taking on a bunch of the salary for, say, 2015 and even maybe 2016 if cash is a problem for the Mets.  
 
Again, we all know this WON'T happen.  But I think a deal with the Mets could happen with this concept anyway.
 
EDIT:  I actually wonder what could happen if the Sox just dealt Panda for Wright plus a pitching prospect.  The Mets still get significantly better on offense this year.  Panda's contract is better than Wright's.  The Sox just take the chance and hope that Wright rebounds health and production wise hitting in Fenway.  

Wright may very well not accept the trade.  He's a Met.

 

[Pilgrim]

Hopefully one of the other 28 teams with shitty contacts and mediocre prospects don't beat us to the punch.

 

[grimshaw]

I will say this, Wright's contract is far worse than Panda's and Hanley's. I actually think Panda's isn't super-awful, and Hanley's is pretty close to reasonable.

Panda's is 5/95 (19 AAV)
Wright's is 6/107 (17.8 AAV).  His last two seasons he's making 15 and 12.  He's also had 5 seasons between 5.8 and 8.4 WAR.  He's a really frigging good baseball player.
I think at worst it's a draw because of his injury history vs Panda's fat.
Hanley has yet to earn a dime of his.

 

[DJnVa]

The same David Wright who's in LA getting treatment for a narrowing of his spinal cavity and no one knows when he may return? That David Wright?

 

[jasail]

For the love of god, can we lock this?