Good reference.E5 Yaz said:Ice water in his veins
Rough Carrigan said:Good reference.
But it's a hell of a lot better to give a kid a get your feet wet start in a season to nowhere than to drop a kid into a pressure packed situation like they did with Sprowl.
TimScribble said:Also, Brian Johnson pulled after 60 pitches today.
@brianmacp: Should Brian Johnson replace Joe Kelly on Friday, the Red Sox would (temporarily) have four lefties and a knuckleballer in their rotation.
TimScribble said:Also, Brian Johnson pulled after 60 pitches today.
@brianmacp: Should Brian Johnson replace Joe Kelly on Friday, the Red Sox would (temporarily) have four lefties and a knuckleballer in their rotation.
TimScribble said:Also, Brian Johnson pulled after 60 pitches today.
@brianmacp: Should Brian Johnson replace Joe Kelly on Friday, the Red Sox would (temporarily) have four lefties and a knuckleballer in their rotation.
Rudy Pemberton said:Wade Miley the last member of the opening day rotation standing? Makes two years in a row that they've basically turned over 4/5 of the rotation by end of the year.
Because it's not Rick Porcello?doctormoist said:I remember early comps to power lefties like Kershaw. Then we hear that Owens sits around 90. This kind of meaningless hype bothers me, and makes me believe that management is in spin mode. Owens is projected as a 3-4 starter. Why should we be excited?
doctormoist said:I remember early comps to power lefties like Kershaw. Then we hear that Owens sits around 90. This kind of meaningless hype bothers me, and makes me believe that management is in spin mode. Owens is projected as a 3-4 starter. Why should we be excited?
The early comps were because they thought he'd fill out and add velocity with his frame. Which was pretty reasonable to expect. No idea why it never happened, but he's still developed pretty nicely in spite of that.doctormoist said:I remember early comps to power lefties like Kershaw. Then we hear that Owens sits around 90. This kind of meaningless hype bothers me, and makes me believe that management is in spin mode. Owens is projected as a 3-4 starter. Why should we be excited?
He's allowed about 6 hits per 9 innings in his minor league career so far. Who cares if he throws 90? Batters can't read the ball out of his hand, and his change up is very good.doctormoist said:I remember early comps to power lefties like Kershaw. Then we hear that Owens sits around 90. This kind of meaningless hype bothers me, and makes me believe that management is in spin mode. Owens is projected as a 3-4 starter. Why should we be excited?
Maybe I missed it but I don't ever remember Kershaw comps for Owens. He has been considered a middle rotation guy for a while with an outside chance of being a #2. He has been outstanding of late (finally showing good control to go along with his always excellent ability to miss bats) so, IMO, the #2 possibility is back on the table. But his lack of overpowering stuff probably means he'll struggle for a quite a while in the bigs before hitting his stride, whatever level that turns out to bedoctormoist said:I remember early comps to power lefties like Kershaw. Then we hear that Owens sits around 90. This kind of meaningless hype bothers me, and makes me believe that management is in spin mode. Owens is projected as a 3-4 starter. Why should we be excited?
ehaz said:Owens' last 9 games: 58 IP / 2.64 ERA / 8.1 K / 2.1 BB
EdRod before his call-up: 48.1 IP / 2.98 ERA / 8.2 K / 1.3 BB
I think he's turned a corner since the beginning of the season.
Sprowl said:I'm looking forward to seeing this best-of-class changeup.
I don't remember many Kershaw comps. I recall a few Denny Neagle ones, and other comps to lefthanded changeup pitchers. The optimism was based on Owens being a tall skinny lefty with a killer change whose fastball sat in the 90mph range. Generally teenagers add velocity as they fill out, so it was reasonable all those years ago to think that he'd be working in the 93-94 range now. Unfortunately it didn't happen and people have adjusted their expectations downward.doctormoist said:I remember early comps to power lefties like Kershaw. Then we hear that Owens sits around 90. This kind of meaningless hype bothers me, and makes me believe that management is in spin mode. Owens is projected as a 3-4 starter. Why should we be excited?
nighthob said:I don't remember many Kershaw comps. I recall a few Denny Neagle ones, and other comps to lefthanded changeup pitchers. The optimism was based on Owens being a tall skinny lefty with a killer change whose fastball sat in the 90mph range. Generally teenagers add velocity as they fill out, so it was reasonable all those years ago to think that he'd be working in the 93-94 range now. Unfortunately it didn't happen and people have adjusted their expectations downward.
To Devin doesn't pretty much every pitcher look like Kershaw out there?doctormoist said:Well, the Kershaw comp was actually made, but by teammate Devin Marerro. Grain of salt, etc.
http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20140117/SPORTS/301179996
I doubt it. If he's sitting 90 his upside is Wade Miley and his downside is Bobby Sprowl. There's no reason to be excited about a kid whose out pitch is a change up. Major league hitters read those a hell of a lot better than minor leaguers, and they don't miss 90 mph meatballs either.grimshaw said:He's allowed about 6 hits per 9 innings in his minor league career so far. Who cares if he throws 90? Batters can't read the ball out of his hand, and his change up is very good.
He has as much upside if not more than Rodriguez. There is nothing remotely in his repertoire that compares to Kershaw. Whoever compared him was looking at a baseball card.
Yeah that was another fabulous use of a #1 pick, wasn't it?HomeRunBaker said:To Devin doesn't pretty much every pitcher look like Kershaw out there?
Like the guy the sox faced yesterday? There are a number of pitchers who rely on their change and are successful. The kid is left handed and has been doing well. Can we give him one game in the pros before dismissing him?Plympton91 said:I doubt it. If he's sitting 90 his upside is Wade Miley and his downside is Bobby Sprowl. There's no reason to be excited about a kid whose out pitch is a change up. Major league hitters read those a hell of a lot better than minor leaguers, and they don't miss 90 mph meatballs either. .
Plympton91 said:I doubt it. If he's sitting 90 his upside is Wade Miley and his downside is Bobby Sprowl. There's no reason to be excited about a kid whose out pitch is a change up. Major league hitters read those a hell of a lot better than minor leaguers, and they don't miss 90 mph meatballs either.
This organization is in a world of hurt if they aren't going to be willing to spend $350 million on 3 top of the rotation starters. The next one that even has a chance to be that from the minors is Anderson Espinoza. He's in the GCL.
Plympton91 said:I doubt it. If he's sitting 90 his upside is Wade Miley and his downside is Bobby Sprowl. There's no reason to be excited about a kid whose out pitch is a change up. Major league hitters read those a hell of a lot better than minor leaguers, and they don't miss 90 mph meatballs either.
This organization is in a world of hurt if they aren't going to be willing to spend $350 million on 3 top of the rotation starters. The next one that even has a chance to be that from the minors is Anderson Espinoza. He's in the GCL.
I don't understand what you're getting at. Glavine, Moyer and Santana all had great change ups and didn't light up the radar gun. Mark Buerhle and Ted Lilly do/did ok too. And how does 90 mph mean meatball? I mean, he was ranked just behind Syndergaard in terms of pitching prospects this year. I don't know what to say if you're not excited about him.Plympton91 said:I doubt it. If he's sitting 90 his upside is Wade Miley and his downside is Bobby Sprowl. There's no reason to be excited about a kid whose out pitch is a change up. Major league hitters read those a hell of a lot better than minor leaguers, and they don't miss 90 mph meatballs either.
This organization is in a world of hurt if they aren't going to be willing to spend $350 million on 3 top of the rotation starters. The next one that even has a chance to be that from the minors is Anderson Espinoza. He's in the GCL.
HomeRunBaker said:To Devin doesn't pretty much every pitcher look like Kershaw out there?
jscola85 said:I'm most interested in seeing whether Owens' fastball command is there. We all know his changeup is exciting but if he can't command his fastball to hit the edges of the strike zone, he won't be in good counts to take advantage of the changeup.
From BP: What makes Owens a potential No. 3 starter though is the changeup. It is one of the best of any pitching prospect in baseball. There’s late fade to the offering, and his arm speed and arm slot allow for tremendous deception. If it isn’t a plus-plus change, then no prospect has a plus-plus change right now. It’s that good.Plympton91 said:There's no reason to be excited about a kid whose out pitch is a change up.
Sampo Gida said:
I would be more concerned about his command in the strike zone. If he is wild in the zone he will give up a lot of HR, especially against the Yankees. A few walks won't kill him if he stays away from the middle of the plate. The change can be thrown on any count, and is not a pitch that is only used ahead of the count at the MLB level
Yeah, I agree. It would be great to have a good #4 starter like Santiago and that's a good wish cast for Owens. Everything in baseball is percentages. Owens might live up to the ceiling in his scouting reports and be Tom Glavine someday. That would be great. But, if I recall, Glavine sucked for most of his first 2 years at least. The Red Sox don't need any more #4 starters and can't live through 50 sucky starts from Owens before he becomes Glavine , because they already have one of the worst pitching staffs ever assembled by a Red Sox front office.WenZink said:Someone mentioned Hector Santiago as a good comp for Owens, and I agree. And I would be very excited if Santiago was in the Sox rotation. And Santiago just throws a 91 mph fastball. Few teams are going to throw $350 million for 3 top of the rotation starters. But give me some depth in the rotation 2-5, that is young and cost-controlled, and it makes it a lot easier to justify going out and paying for an Ace on the FA market. Bruce Hurst was not exactly a hard-thrower, but I'd love to have vintage Hurst in the rotation today.
Let's see what Owens can do over the next 2 months before we condemn him to the also-ran pile.
Actually, they can. It's called rebuilding, those 50 starts. And if Owens could truly become a Glavine, then maybe it's what the team needs to commit to, since that the immediate-term pitching picture is so bleak.Plympton91 said:Yeah, I agree. It would be great to have a good #4 starter like Santiago and that's a good wish cast for Owens. Everything in baseball is percentages. Owens might live up to the ceiling in his scouting reports and be Tom Glavine someday. That would be great. But, if I recall, Glavine sucked for most of his first 2 years at least. The Red Sox don't need any more #4 starters and can't live through 50 sucky starts from Owens before he becomes Glavine, because they already have one of the worst pitching staffs ever assembled by a Red Sox front office.
Plympton91 said:Yeah, I agree. It would be great to have a good #4 starter like Santiago and that's a good wish cast for Owens. Everything in baseball is percentages. Owens might live up to the ceiling in his scouting reports and be Tom Glavine someday. That would be great. But, if I recall, Glavine sucked for most of his first 2 years at least. The Red Sox don't need any more #4 starters and can't live through 50 sucky starts from Owens before he becomes Glavine , because they already have one of the worst pitching staffs ever assembled by a Red Sox front office.
Plympton91 said:Yeah, I agree. It would be great to have a good #4 starter like Santiago and that's a good wish cast for Owens. Everything in baseball is percentages. Owens might live up to the ceiling in his scouting reports and be Tom Glavine someday. That would be great. But, if I recall, Glavine sucked for most of his first 2 years at least. The Red Sox don't need any more #4 starters and can't live through 50 sucky starts from Owens before he becomes Glavine , because they already have one of the worst pitching staffs ever assembled by a Red Sox front office.
God - please save us from having another Glavine in the making.Plympton91 said:Yeah, I agree. It would be great to have a good #4 starter like Santiago and that's a good wish cast for Owens. Everything in baseball is percentages. Owens might live up to the ceiling in his scouting reports and be Tom Glavine someday. That would be great. But, if I recall, Glavine sucked for most of his first 2 years at least. The Red Sox don't need any more #4 starters and can't live through 50 sucky starts from Owens before he becomes Glavine , because they already have one of the worst pitching staffs ever assembled by a Red Sox front office.
Plympton91 said:Yeah, I agree. It would be great to have a good #4 starter like Santiago and that's a good wish cast for Owens. Everything in baseball is percentages. Owens might live up to the ceiling in his scouting reports and be Tom Glavine someday. That would be great. But, if I recall, Glavine sucked for most of his first 2 years at least. The Red Sox don't need any more #4 starters and can't live through 50 sucky starts from Owens before he becomes Glavine , because they already have one of the worst pitching staffs ever assembled by a Red Sox front office.