Dan to Theo to Ben said:Where is the choice of "Carp will be traded or hurt?"
mauidano said:Please God, nooooooooo! I love Daniel Nava. He is everyman. Grady makes me more nervous, Shane is heartbeat away from the DL and he's not even off it yet. Carp, JBJ, no All-Star's there either. Not even Gomes should be immune from speculation. I know that's sacrilegious talk but.....
You could do it easily by just saying yes/no/I don't know rather than concocting scenarios.rembrat said:I'm sorry but a poll can not address every possible outcome, asshats.
Cowboys Idiots N Beards said:I'd vote for "Someone" gets hurt and he gets another chance. Grady doesn't suck and I believe Shane will be fine once back. Whether or not he is here next year. I couldn't tell you... But it wouldn't let me vote for one question and not the other, so...
What is wrong with you?Plympton91 said:
Or Napoli, or Ortiz, or Gomes, or JBJ
rembrat said:I'm sorry that the poll sucks and isn't in census format. I intended this to be a relaxed thread, hence the "concocting scenarios", where you could shoot from your hip about Nava's future or lament about his demotion.
Does that mean his contract will terminate and he could sign with someone else?Reverend said:Daniel Nava will not report to the PawSox today, as is his right.— Brian MacPherson (@brianmacp) April 23, 2014
He has 72 hours to report. I'm not sure what happens after that.wolfe_boston said:Does that mean his contract will terminate and he could sign with someone else?
wolfe_boston said:Does that mean his contract will terminate and he could sign with someone else?
Rasputin said:
No. He has, I think, three days to report.
He's probably upset and is taking a day to collect himself. It's no big deal.
Dan to Theo to Ben said:What is wrong with you?
So all that has to happen is...Rasputin said:Here's the thing.
All that's needed for this to be the last time we see Daniel Nava is for Alex Hassan or Bryce Brentz to be a better option when there's a need. Maybe Nava has a bad hammy. Maybe Brentz or Hassan are on a tear. Maybe the Sox just need someone who can hit lefties.
And who is to say that come later in the season, Middlebrooks has done well enough, and the left field mishmash has done poorly enough, that the Sox give Cecchini some time in left in Pawtucket, and that when they need someone in August, it's Cecchini who gets the call.
Rasputin said:Here's the thing.
All that's needed for this to be the last time we see Daniel Nava is for Alex Hassan or Bryce Brentz to be a better option when there's a need. Maybe Nava has a bad hammy. Maybe Brentz or Hassan are on a tear. Maybe the Sox just need someone who can hit lefties.
And who is to say that come later in the season, Middlebrooks has done well enough, and the left field mishmash has done poorly enough, that the Sox give Cecchini some time in left in Pawtucket, and that when they need someone in August, it's Cecchini who gets the call.
SouthernBoSox said:So all that has to happen is...
...Nava gets hurt
Gomes gets hurt
Middlebrooks rakes
Cecchini gets moved to left...
We will be seeing Nava again.
Plympton91 said:In those cases we'd see Daniel Nava again when he comes through with a team that needs a minimum salary leftfielder with an 800 OPS. The Orioles, the Rays, the A's; any team with a modicum of SABR knowledge will be all over it.
Several people have gone through the trouble of making detailed posts about why your superficial glance at Nava's 2010 and 2012 major league numbers is misleading, but you've ignored them. I'm not going to bother going through it again.Rasputin said:I'm trying to respond to this without being rude but I am finding it difficult because you can't get that out of what I said. I gave you a bottom line statement and several possibilities and you're trying to suggest that all of them need to happen and that's just ridiculous.
All that needs to happen for us not to see Nava again is for there to be a better option when the need arises.
Why on Earth would any team be confident that Daniel Nava is a minimum salary left fielder with an 800 OPS? He had an 800 OPS one time, when he was thirty, with a BABIP of .350. Previously, the best thing that could be said about him is that he had an OPS of almost 800 against right handed pitchers in a third of a season.
And, oh, by the way, he's past the point where anyone could reasonably think he would get better and to the point where everyone would have to conclude that he is probably going to get worse.
Plympton91 said:BTW, what's a reasonable expectation for the performance of an outfielder who last had an 800 OPS in 2007, has an OPS below 650 in his last 300 major league plate appearances, and missed the past 2-1\2 seasons with major, chronic leg injuries?
Because there's no precedent in baseball history of a playing missing most of 4 seasons of play due to catastrophic injury and then returning to form?Rasputin said:Options aside, I'm gonna give the guy who has shown the most ability over the course of his career more rope and I can't imagine why anyone would do otherwise.
Rasputin said:
I'm not sure there is one. Do you have any particular reason to suspect that the upside of a guy with that injury history who was once one of the best players in the game is lower than that of a guy who didn't even make the majors until he was 27 and didn't play a full season until he was 30?
I mean, christ, they're both in their age 31 seasons Nava has 300 games played and Sizemore has 900.
Options aside, I'm gonna give the guy who has shown the most ability over the course of his career more rope and I can't imagine why anyone would do otherwise.
Toe Nash said:As I noted in the other thread, many lots of things mostly or entirely out of Nava's control have gone against him during his career. Here we see how Nava being optioned becomes another point against him when, based on performance this year and last, he deserves to be demoted no more than Sizemore. His having an option is a function of him not being called to the majors until pretty late, which is a function of starting off in indie leagues, which eventually goes back to him not being able to afford college and, further back, having a very late growth spurt during puberty.
If he comes back and plays normally, next offseason he'll be written off because "he got sent to the minors last year" just as "he didn't even make the majors until he was 27!" is a point here.
Nava has real weaknesses; his defense and his hitting against LHP chief among them. And he's no longer young so his skills can be expected to decline somewhat. I don't think anyone expects a repeat of last year. But his career path is not normal, and it needs to be evaluated with that in mind. He has produced at every level and done enough to get more rope than 75 PAs except be big. You'd think a team and fanbase with Dustin Pedroia would understand this.