Pick up. Either you get a good player for a year or you have a somewhat valuable asset to trade.What are we rooting for tomorrow? Option pick-up? Extension at sub-max dollars? Opt-out?
Ideally I think it's an opt-out.What are we rooting for tomorrow? Option pick-up? Extension at sub-max dollars? Opt-out?
That's impossible.Opt out only if it means we are suddenly in play for an elite FA. If not, may as well keep him
I guess. I wont Pretend to get nba cap math. It my clueless mind having one guy decide not to take 33 million should mean you have it to give to someone else, but I know the nba is way more complicated than thatThat's impossible.
Yeah, basically the Celtics are over the cap, but it's a soft cap so you can go over for your own players. So the situation with Hayward is you want to either sign him, or sign and trade him to a team that also has no cap space. If he walks.... you still have no cap space but can't sign anyone.I guess. I wont Pretend to get nba cap math. It my clueless mind having one guy decide not to take 33 million should mean you have it to give to someone else, but I know the nba is way more complicated than that
They could replace him with something like a $15m-$20m player maybe, depending on how many draft picks they make and Kanter and Ojeleye's optionsI guess. I wont Pretend to get nba cap math. It my clueless mind having one guy decide not to take 33 million should mean you have it to give to someone else, but I know the nba is way more complicated than that
No they couldn't. Even without any of the options, renouncing all the cap holds and getting rid of all the picks, they'd only be 11.5M under the cap.They could replace him with something like a $15m-$20m player maybe, depending on how many draft picks they make and Kanter and Ojeleye's options
Yeah I think you're right, hoopshype doesn't include team options, which confused me, I was going off the 123m+ number. Regardless, there's no free agent they could sign for any amount of space they can realistically get that matches what Hayward gives them anyway.No they couldn't. Even without any of the options, renouncing all the cap holds and getting rid of all the picks, they'd only be 11.5M under the cap.
There is no scenario where the Celtics will be signing a major FA this offseason (except something insane like trading Kemba into the Knicks' cap space, and getting basically no players back.)
I think at this point everyone knows that Westbrook is going to the Knicks for #8 and a bunch of draft picks. And Harden is going to end up in Philly for a haul. The east is going to be loaded next year. Boston’s going with the hand they have plus whatever they get for Hayward.There is no scenario where the Celtics will be signing a major FA this offseason (except something insane like trading Kemba into the Knicks' cap space, and getting basically no players back.)
Yeah, they aren't comparable in any way. Hayward can become an UFA today if he chooses, the Celtics have far less leverage.Yeah if Jrue Holiday is worth a stockpile of picks then the Celtics must have Gordo's trade price sky high right now. Jrue Holiday career = 16.9 PER / 43.0 Win Shares, Gordon Hayward career = 17.5 PER / 53.Win Shares (both 30 y.o.). It could be yet another situation where Ainge's reputation of fleecing other GMs combines with the high actual cost, and no one wants to be on the other side of his phone call.
Sure, but not much. We aren't getting a Jrue like deal, we're getting something a bit better than what Bogdanovic brought in. Sac had MORE leverage in that situation since they could keep him as an RFA.The wrinkle is that Hayward can only go a few places as an UFA. So, if he wants to go to a specific place (likely), the C's do have leverage.
I'm not saying *I* think Hayward is worth that, just that the C's probably are pricing him higher even though the Jrue overpay by the Bucks was clearly done to make their team better now AND to improve their chances of keeping Giannis (and did I mention it was a crazy overpay!). It would be an upset to me if, for example, the C's took the rumored Indiana offer of Myles Turner and flotsam/jetsam in return. But if they have other moving parts such as a Gallinari S&T ready maybe they decide the overall calculus works in their favor.Yeah, they aren't comparable in any way. Hayward can become an UFA today if he chooses, the Celtics have far less leverage.
Of last night's trades, the Bogdanovic trade is the closer one. Now Hayward is better, but he's also not restricted.
Maybe I'm missing sometime, but why in the world would Hayward want to be a Hawk?Hayward opting in makes it easy for Boston to trade him to the Hawks. But in reality with the draft picks being tossed around Indiana can probably convert Oladipo into the capital necessary for a Hayward deal.
Why not? Some players take pride in pushing a lottery team into the playoffs. If he can get a near max deal from the Hawks, why wouldn't he?Maybe I'm missing sometime, but why in the world would Hayward want to be a Hawk?
If Hayward picks up his option today he has no say in where he plays next year.Maybe I'm missing sometime, but why in the world would Hayward want to be a Hawk?
And even beyond this, this a roleplayer draft. The Hawks might place a higher value on getting Trae Young playoff minutes than on adding another roleplayer. Especially as it looks like there's a real talent migration East that's going to make it tougher on the Hawks otherwise.Why not? Some players take pride in pushing a lottery team into the playoffs. If he can get a near max deal from the Hawks, why wouldn't he?
If it's all about dollars and cents, yes, but ATL is the Trae Young Show, for the foreseeable future, and if Hayward is serious about wanting to win an NBA title, I can think of many more desirable destinations.Why not? Some players take pride in pushing a lottery team into the playoffs. If he can get a near max deal from the Hawks, why wouldn't he?
Judging by his wife's social media, I believe they moved the family back to Indiana as well.I mean the scuttlebutt is that he's headed to Indiana, so he can't be that serious about winning a title.
One other geographic reality to consider, the Haywards apparently spent $3 million on their new home in Fishers, Indiana. So he's only a quick commuter flight from Chicago (or probably a two hour drive since Fishers is northeast of Indianapolis).
Wasn't that confirmed during his injury? That when he left the bubble he went back "home" to Indiana?Judging by his wife's social media, I believe they moved the family back to Indiana as well.
Not sure, not trying to say it's a new development. Just saying that Indiana is where his family has been living so they could prefer the schools in Indiana to Boston's. They could live in Indiana no matter where he plays.Wasn't that confirmed during his injury? That when he left the bubble he went back "home" to Indiana?
Correct, he has to exercise his option before it expires.If Hayward does nothing he is a FA correct?
He needs to "opt in", not "opt out"...right?
So...working on a long-term deal or working on a trade?Celtics and Hayward are looking to extend the option deadline.
View: https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1328797564511064064
Yes?So...working on a long-term deal or working on a trade?
One of the two. I bet the trade part is more likely.So...working on a long-term deal or working on a trade?
Yeah, the two sides know where the other stands at this point, so it wouldn't be about getting more time to talk extension.One of the two. I bet the trade part is more likely.
It might be about clearing cap space before it though. One of the holdups on a Hayward long term deal is the luxury tax implications. If Hayward has a number and the Celtics will match it only if they trade Kemba, makes sense for both sides to push it back to give more time to find a Kemba deal.Yeah, the two sides know where the other stands at this point, so it wouldn't be about getting more time to talk extension.
Not necessarily mutually exclusive. Gordon’s people obv have made it known they want long-term security even if it is well short of $34m AAV and Ainge wants to keep all options open....as does Gordon. Makes sense for both sides.So...working on a long-term deal or working on a trade?
I doubt Boston has any interest in Capela's contract. Dedmon as a virtual expiring (only $1 million is guaranteed in '22) they might do as a solid to the Hawks in exchange for extra draft capital.I'm liking the ATL angle here. They can take him into cap space so the question is who/what is fair compensation.
Mileage may vary, but desireables from ATL include the #6 pick, Huerter, Collins, future picks. Maybe Capela? Maybe Dedmon?
Yeah, but I think you want to. Otherwise the cap space goes poof.You don't need to take any contracts for the money to work as the Hawks have plenty of cap space in a few days.