Dismiss Notice
Guest, I have a big favor to ask you. We've been working very hard to establish ourselves on social media. If you like/follow our pages it would be a HUGE help to us. SoSH on Facebook and Inside the Pylon Thanks! Nip

Global Football Odds & Ends

Discussion in 'Breakfast with Gazza (with Sachmoneious Bullcrap)' started by Titans Bastard, Jun 6, 2015.

  1. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480
    How Wales & others gamed the FIFA rankings for seeding purposes by choosing not to schedule as many friendlies.
     
  2. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480
    Damn:
    [​IMG]

    I think NBC Sports' EPL ratings peak was last year's Manchester Derby with around 1.15m viewers.

     
  3. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480
    Three African officials banned for life for match-fixing in international friendlies that occurred back in 2010.

    http://www.fifa.com/governance/news...ommittee-bans-football-officials-2859090.html

     
  4. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480
    A local T&T article about their new national team manager included this nugget:

    It would be totally unsurprising if Klinsmann ended up in China or the Middle East.
     
  5. Vinho Tinto

    Vinho Tinto Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,516
    Ronnie wins his 4th Ballon d'Or

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Tony the Pony

    Tony the Pony Fork You Schpors SoSH Member

    Messages:
    3,173
    Couldn't have gone to a bigger piece of shit. Congrats!
     
  7. Zososoxfan

    Zososoxfan Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,053
    OK, hopefully this doesn't have any dark undertones, but this needs to be giffed and meme'd immediately:

     
  8. Vinho Tinto

    Vinho Tinto Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,516
    It looks like the entire thing was a bit. She must be a fan of Internacional, who were relegated this weekend. That's Denilson, who is taking on the role of Michael Strahan in Brazil.
     
    #158 Vinho Tinto, Dec 13, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2016
  9. Vinho Tinto

    Vinho Tinto Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,516
    Always nice to win a derby. Joel Campbell was a 2nd half sub and was dynamite. Never seen him play so good.



     
  10. Vinho Tinto

    Vinho Tinto Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,516
    Tevez scored a brace in the Superclásico. The 2nd was a sweet match winner.

     
  11. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480
    Kashima Antlers became the first AFC club to advance to the Club World Cup final after beating Atlético Nacional 3-0.

    I don't really know much about either squad, but one thing really stood out when glancing at the lineups -- the 22 starting players consisted of 11 Japanese, 10 Colombians, and an Argentine. In the post-Bosman world, it's fun to see strongly domestic teams do well.
     
  12. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480
  13. InstaFace

    InstaFace MDLzera

    Messages:
    7,217
    They weren't even the AFC Champions (that's the south korean team, Jeonbuk) - Kashima got in because they're the leading team in the host country (Japan), so they're basically a sop to local ticket sales. So they beat Auckland (OFC), big deal. Then a South African team, okay, cool for the local fans. And then they somehow shut out the Copa Libertadores holders, 3-0. Perhaps Kashima's 10 Colombian players had a little extra motivation against their countrymen, who knows.

    So now Sunday morning at 5:30am ET, they'll take on Real Madrid (who started their full first team in the semis vs América) for a pseudo-title. Pretty cool. If the baby gets me up that early, then I may just turn it on.
     
    #163 InstaFace, Dec 16, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2016
  14. Phil Plantier

    Phil Plantier Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,540
    Only a pseudo title to Europeans and europhiles. For the have-nots, it's the biggest club title they can win.
     
  15. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480
    No, Kashima started 11 Japanese players (and used three Japanese subs). Atlético started 10 Colombians and an Argentine.

    USMNT also-ran Ventura Alvarado started the other semifinal against Real Madrid. He's reportedly out the door from Club América during the winter window, though.

    I wonder, would South American clubs prize the CWC over Libertadores? Agree for all the other confederations for sure.
     
  16. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480
  17. InstaFace

    InstaFace MDLzera

    Messages:
    7,217
    Since becoming an annual event again in 2005, Brazilians won the first two, and then Europeans have won 8 of the last 9 competitions (brazilian side Corinthians beat Chelsea 1-0 in 2012). It's not really a competition in the sense of a test among roughly equal sides, more of an exhibition that puts 2 extra games on the calendar of the UCL champions.

    I regard Copa Libertadores as the second most prestigious club title in the world (being almost as old as the European Cup and contested as widely by teams of comparable quality), so I would certainly hope south american teams would care more about it than the CWC.

    I won't quite call the CWC a farce, partly because I'm not sure you could extend and better-organize something requiring such enormous travel, but it's certainly a little silly. It's like if you took the San Marino champions, the champions of a random eastern european country that wanted to host, the Armenian champions, and then the champs of Greece, Switzerland, England and Spain - and had them play a single-elimination tournament in which the English and Spanish sides got byes to the semis.
     
  18. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480
    On a related note, Infantino proposed an expansion of the CWC last month and he wants to move it to the summer.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/18/gianni-infantino-club-world-cup-expansion


    I'd think it would be tough to get big UEFA clubs to sign off on that sort of extra fixture congestion.
     
  19. Phil Plantier

    Phil Plantier Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,540
    Kashima 2-1 Real Madrid, 52nd minute.

    A Moroccan host team made the final a few years ago, but was totally outclassed. This is a much different match.

    Edit: 2-3 RM in ET with a Benzema/Ronaldo combo. Ref had a remarkable moment when he should have sent off Ramos - reached into his pocket and came out empty.

    Edit: Now 2-4. Was the best final of the last several. Even the Barcelona-Estudiantes one that went to extra time was pretty drab iirc.
     
    #169 Phil Plantier, Dec 18, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2016
  20. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480
  21. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480
  22. rguilmar

    rguilmar lurker

    Messages:
    197
    That's both funny and cruel. I wonder how Marcelo will take it...
     
  23. Vinho Tinto

    Vinho Tinto Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,516
  24. Dummy Hoy

    Dummy Hoy Angry Pissbum SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,978
  25. Zososoxfan

    Zososoxfan Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,053
    Fun little linesman test:



    I went 18/25, although I stand by my answers to 4 (offside, this gets called consistently), 5 (offside, this gets called consistently), 6 (offside, although to a lesser degree than 4 and 5), 16 (offside), and 18 (onside).
     
  26. SoxFanInCali

    SoxFanInCali has the rich, deep voice of a god and the penis of Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    11,290
    New Juventus crest.



    I know that minimalist is the current trend in branding, but this is taking it to an extreme.
     
  27. Domer

    Domer Well-Known Member Bronze Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    3,400
    Yeah, my first reaction was they ripped this off from @dirtynine. I'm partial to this design trend, but it just looks out of place as a crest.
     
  28. Vinho Tinto

    Vinho Tinto Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,516
    Tommy Smyth has left ESPN.

    Not a great announcer, but I have no doubt he'd be awesome to have beers with.

    I remember ESPN had signed the CL for the 94/95 season. The prior final had been on PPV (Barca-AC Milan) and it was a big deal it was now on cable. The first final was Ajax beating AC Milan on Kluivert's goal. I remember this vividly because I had just graduated from boot camp and was able to see the goal in my dorm after working all day doing OJT. Tommy claims his first final was the Dortmund-Juve two years later. Not sure if he wasn't on the broadcast team before that season, but that wasn't ESPN's first season broadcasting the CL.
     
    #178 Vinho Tinto, Jan 26, 2017
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2017
  29. SoxFanInCali

    SoxFanInCali has the rich, deep voice of a god and the penis of Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    11,290
    As out there as Tommy could be, at least he didn't make me want to break my TV like Ray Hudson often did.

    I'll always associate him and Derek Rae with Liverpool's Champions League run in 2004-05.
     
  30. dirtynine

    dirtynine Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,681
    Hey - just saw this! Believe me, that's received as a compliment - I like the crest and consider it really savvy as well as strong. It would be one thing if it was replacing something timeless, but... well, it's not.

    In case anybody really wants a deep dive, here's what I wrote elsewhere:

    (I may have flogged this before, but the quote is from my design company's Slack group, where we frequently nerd out over soccer/design stuff. Anybody is welcome to join up & lurk/contribute/whatever.)
     
  31. Zososoxfan

    Zososoxfan Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,053
    I will not miss Tommy at all, but then again, I like Ray. So, yeah. Arlo White is also growing on me quickly. Great goal calls.
     
  32. Infield Infidel

    Infield Infidel teaching korea american SoSH Member

    Messages:
    11,463
  33. Domer

    Domer Well-Known Member Bronze Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    3,400
  34. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480
    That's cool. ESPN tried to do Liga MX in English a few years ago, but IIRC it was a total bust in terms of ratings. Facebook streaming seems a lot less risky, particularly when Univision already has the production overhead covered.

    EDIT: Andres Cantor's son will be doing English commentary, apparently

    In other Liga MX news: Bieber

     
    #184 Titans Bastard, Feb 15, 2017
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2017
  35. Vinho Tinto

    Vinho Tinto Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,516
    ESPN has a strange relationship with soccer. They go all out for international tournaments. Doesn't matter if it's the World Cup or the Confederations Cup. They treat them like big deals and promote the shit out of them. When it comes to club soccer, they just try to get by with minimal effort. Compare the prestige Fox has given their CL broadcasts or how NBC has made the EPL a core part of their NBCSN identity vs how ESPN treated those competitions when it was the rights holder.

    I thought broadcasting Liga Mex was a genius move. The Mexican population in the US will only continue to grow and there will be 2nd or 3rd generation Mex-Americans who don't speak Spanish or default to ESPN first due to their other sports interests. So while an English language broadcast will not supplant Univision or Galavision's audience, they could grab hold of a niche and maybe grow it with time. But they never really promoted the broadcasts with commercials or content. If you watch an ESPN soccer show, like ESPN FC, it's 80% EPL, Spanish Big 3, Bayern and Dortmund. So they continue to ignore a Mexican audience that they are theoretically trying to cater to, while promoting European based brands that they no longer have a vested interest in.

    I wonder if this a subtle form of prejudice, incompetence, or both.
     
  36. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480
    I think Liga MX in English is workable, but you have to have a long-term plan, patience, and be prepared to invest in it. Your description ESPN FC as "80% EPL, Spanish Big 3, Bayern, and Dortmund" is a pretty accurate reflection of the interests of the American Anglosphere in terms of soccer -- just look at this board.

    Starting with English-speaking 2nd/3rd gen Mexican-Americans interested in Liga MX is working with a niche of a niche and hoping to expand a little from there. I can see how a venture like this would fall by the wayside at a place like ESPN. I think it hurts Liga MX that its games are often in the evening and up against domestic sports properties, which makes it less valuable as filler content.
     
  37. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480
    Re: Liga MX:

    http://corporate.univision.com/2017...wers-2-and-averages-1-4-million-adults-18-49/
     
  38. Vinho Tinto

    Vinho Tinto Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,516
    NM
     
    #188 Vinho Tinto, Feb 22, 2017
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2017
  39. jkempa

    jkempa Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    7,870
    I'm pretty sure I've seen it discussed here, but I just watched "The Game of Their Lives" from BBC about the 1966 North Korean World Cup team. It was nicely done. The way that the city of Middlesbrough adopted the underdogs was especially sweet.

     
  40. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480
  41. InstaFace

    InstaFace MDLzera

    Messages:
    7,217
    You can literally see Hamilton for less than that.
     
  42. Domer

    Domer Well-Known Member Bronze Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    3,400
    Surprisingly, the upcoming Atletico-Leicester matches are not unprecedented. Here is a 2009 look back at their 1997 UEFA Cup matches.
    http://www.wsc.co.uk/features/13700...iving-leicester-s-battle-with-atletico-madrid
     
  43. SoxFanInCali

    SoxFanInCali has the rich, deep voice of a god and the penis of Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    11,290
    I've gotten about 10 emails from the International Champions Cup, they seem convinced I would love to travel to Miami to see Barca-Real, based on the fact I went to 2 Liverpool games in California last summer.
     
  44. dirtynine

    dirtynine Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,681
    Reports are that, based on the 2016 success, Copa America is going become the alt-Euros. Starting in 2020 it'll be held in the US (not sure about iterations after that), merge in Concacaf, and will run every 4th summer to coincide with the European Championship. I'm assuming the Concacaf four year summer cycle would then be

    1. World Cup
    2. Gold Cup
    3. Copa America
    4. WCQ + Confederations Cup

    Pretty cool. It's not clear if Conmebol would run something for themselves in the post-WC summer.
     
  45. Vinho Tinto

    Vinho Tinto Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    5,516
    It will be better run, better presented on TV, and increase revenues exponentially. Will lose the great atmosphere of the host nation matches. If the Copa America is nuked, it's going to be a long time before another major international tournament is hosted in South America. Columbia is the only nation from the region to be listed as bidding on World Cup 2026.
     
  46. teddykgb

    teddykgb Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    7,028
    It's a real bummer to me. I liked the Copa as it was and I think the fans in South America deserve to have a great tournament on their own soil. I'll surely watch a USA version of this but it's not progress to me.
     
  47. ConigliarosPotential

    ConigliarosPotential Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,637
    I know it'll never happen, but particularly given the forthcoming World Cup expansion, wouldn't merging CONCACAF and CONMEBOL make a lot of sense from a purely footballing perspective? Combine their WC qualifying places and tournaments, and institute qualifying for the Copa America in the off-WC cycle, and you'd end up with something quite like the European model.
     
  48. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480
    From a purely footballing perspective, one big problem is distance. Remember that English fans like to talk about the "long trip from Southampton to Newcastle" or whatever, even though it's like going from Boston to Philly. England is slightly smaller than Alabama. The US itself is roughly comparable in size to Europe. Seattle to Buenos Aires is a longer trip than London to Tokyo.

    CONMEBOL does love that sweet, sweet cash that comes out of the US and Mexico. They might some day be willing to combine with the US and Mexico and maybe add Canada and UNCAF in order to justify increasing the number of WC slots without significantly intensifying the competition for them. Absorbing the Caribbean would have to be a non-starter for multiple reasons and the Caribbean won't let go of their American and Mexican cash cows without a fight.

    The combined Copa is a step towards unity, but I wonder if CONMEBOL will feel the need to go any further. I don't think CONCACAF would add much $$$ to the WCQ process or Libertadores. CONMEBOL was happy to invite Mexican clubs to Libertadores because they found it financially advantageous to do so and maybe one day they'd invite MLS clubs, too. (I don't think that makes sense at this point for either party.) No need for a merger, though. The only impetus toward some sort of merger would be if CONMEBOL wants to increase the number of WCQ slots available to the combined region, knowing that CONMEBOL countries would absorb some of those gains.
     
  49. Infield Infidel

    Infield Infidel teaching korea american SoSH Member

    Messages:
    11,463
    Columbus, OH to Santiago, Chile 10 hr 43 min
    Seattle to Lima, Perú 10 hr 25 min
    DC to Buenos Aires 10 hr 53 min

    And that last one is the only likely non-stop. No thank you
     
  50. Titans Bastard

    Titans Bastard has sunil gulati in his sights Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    9,480

Share This Page