Game 8: Goats in Miami

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1. Mac. Broken Mac returned. He threw a bad interception and then spent the next couple of series in a funk before recovering himself for the TD trive that almost gave them a chance late. Mac also threw a hospital ball to Parker and got him concussed.
2. The defense. In some ways they deserved a better fate. Miami got the benefit of some odd calls and picked up flags.The defense generated 2 turnovers. But, time after time, Miami got big gains on third and long and they went 3-3 on 4th down conversions. Given a final chance late to at least get the ball back to Mac with time and a chance to tie, the defense instead gave up a 10 play, 6 minute TD drive to put the game out of reach, including letting Miami convert a third and 9
3. The officiating. Lots of weird ticky tack calls against the Pats, and none that went the other way.

If there were any fantasies about Mac's ability to be a good QB or the Pats ability to salvange their season, this game should end those.
 
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Mac was atrocius. He’s goat #1 but you can’t let the defense (and defensive play calling) off the hook.
Piss poor tackling all around.
soft zone coverage letting them march down the field.
When they did decide to press the receivers a bit, they didn’t attempt to dial up pressure.
 
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BB the GM as usual.

O'B as there seemed to be a lot less pre-snap motion this week.

The PBP announcer.
 
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The defense did a good job forcing negative plays and putting Miami in long yardage situations. The problem was they then couldn’t convert those situations into punts.
 
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Arroyoyo said:
Blow it up.
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Yes. They need to have a realistic view on how long a rebuild will take and move whatever pieces can help them assets that fit in their window.

Uche seems like an obvious guy to trade. Zeke, too, if anyone will take on his contract - still a good player there. Maybe there are others.
 
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How does this defensive line not get more pressure, the Miami offensive line was
a MASH unit? Tua gets the ball out quickly but they should have at least collapsed the pocket more. And Mac, he just has negative charisma. He does nothing well.
 
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Miami is simply a much better team than us. The better team won.

Goats all around, lots of nominees on both sides of the ball.
 
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Yes. They need to have a realistic view on how long a rebuild will take and move whatever pieces can help them assets that fit in their window.
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Agreed.

Make one more solid offer to Dugger and Uche. If they don’t accept, trade them. If it’s for a 4th it’s for a 4th, we may need that capital to move up in R1 to draft Mac’s replacement.

See if anyone is interested in Juju, Parker, Bourne, and Henry. And, of course, Mac, though that won’t happen likely until this offseason. None of them need to be part of a rebuild.

Extend Peppers. He’s the kind of guy you want leading a defense and setting the tone for younger players coming through the door over the next several years.
 
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Two questions re: the defense's poor showing on Hill and Waddle today:

1) Did Jon Jones not have Tyreek today? The handful of times I saw footage of the game, it seemed like they put JC Jackson on Hill. Why?
2) Lots of talk that the Eagles attacked Hill and Waddle at the LOS. Seemed like - ONCE AGAIN, just like last time - the Patriots played OFF. I understand that it can be risky playing close to those two hyper-athletic WRs, but if that's the recipe that worked last week - and if doing it the same way this time didn't work against Miami LAST time - why not give getting-in-their-faces a shot?

Mac's on the downside and, apparently, so is SHITTASTIC tackling.

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Why bother at this point, beyond tradition? It's the same deserving goats as every week
 
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Mac sucks. There were a lot of goats today and a better defensive performance would have had the game within reach, but Mac is simply not good enough. It starts and ends there for me regardless of how pathetic the second half pass rush was.
 
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Mac. Just cant win with this guy. Some good throws, some terrible decisions, some terrible throws, getting his receivers killed, and the frikking bledsoe happy feet plus his own signature turtle. Missing guys who were open.

Refs. I try not to bitch too much about the refs, but the holding on the 3rd down run early, the facemask right in front of a ref, the late PI call against Jackson, the missed flag for killing Parker were just too much.

One thing I will say is this team does not quit and always tries. Big props to what might have been the last we see of Bourne in a Pats uniform. He is inconsistent and a bit of a headcase but he balls out. Hopefully Parker is ok. Dugger played a strong physical game but seems lost in coverage.
 
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Mac.

His best case scenario is Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton was a legitimate but not good nfl starter for a number of years. But that’s his. Best case scenario, which is
Not good enough.
 
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I was driving for most of the game and turned on a podcast after the red zone pick. I still haven’t seen it but Zolak was incredulous. I just can’t watch this team anymore with him at QB, he’s terrible.

Also weren’t the Dolphins playing with pretty much all backups on the O-line? I know Miami has talent on offense but giving up 31 to a team without a single starter playing on o-line is terrible.

And everyone else. This team stinks.
 
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jose melendez said:
Mac.

His best case scenario is Andy Dalton. Andy Dalton was a legitimate but not good nfl starter for a number of years. But that’s his. Best case scenario, which is
Not good enough.
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I’m done with Mac. I’ve been a supporter but even if he flashes for a few weeks he’s at best the best backup the league.

The Pats didn’t lose because of the refs but god were they atrocious. It was embarrassing how bad they were.
 
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NortheasternPJ said:
I’m done with Mac. I’ve been a supporter but even if he flashes for a few weeks he’s at best the best backup the league.

The Pats didn’t lose because of the refs but god were they atrocious. It was embarrassing how bad they were.
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There are a lot of bad QBs in the NFL. Mac is one of them.

But the Pats have a rot up and down their entire roster. The Jets are 4-3 and their QB is objectively worse than Mac.

This team is terrible. Mac isn't helping but it's not his fault. This team STINKS. Their offensive roster is bad. Their line is bad, their RBs are bad, and their receivers are woeful by NFL standards. And then Mac.

edit - finally, they lost literally their best two players a few weeks ago.
 
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johnmd20 said:
There are a lot of bad QBs in the NFL. Mac is one of them.

But the Pats have a rot up and down their entire roster. The Jets are 4-3 and their QB is objectively worse than Mac.

This team is terrible. Mac isn't helping but it's not his fault. This team STINKS. Their offensive roster is bad. Their line is bad, their RBs are bad, and their receivers are woeful by NFL standards. And then Mac.

edit - finally, they lost literally their best two players a few weeks ago.
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Add yet in spite of all that they fought pretty hard today and were in the game until very late. I can't fault the effort. I thought the OL played pretty well, actually.

But Mac stunk as usual and the refs fucked fucked fucked FUCKED them hard. Can't overcome those two factors against a good team.
 
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Add yet in spite of all that they fought pretty hard today and were in the game until very late. I can't fault the effort.

But Mac stunk as usual and the refs fucked fucked fucked FUCKED them hard. Can't overcome those two factors against a good team.
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Can the NFL just eliminate presnap motion penalties for the entire league? If not why do the Dolphins only get to play with CFL rules? What they get away with presnap constantly is a joke and you know every coach goes to the refs ahead of the game and point it out and the league must must tell them to ignore it
 
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Mac is goat.

Parker actually isn't very expensive for acquiring team. Not sure there would be any interest before the concussion but I wouldn't be surprised if he's out a few weeks.

League needs to follow college here and have automatic ejection for these hits. Guys long term health and careers on the line with these type of shots.
 
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BigJimEd said:
League needs to follow college here and have automatic ejection for these hits. Guys long term health and careers on the line with these type of shots.
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I always find it ridiculous that the players love to talk about being a brotherhood and protecting each other and all that jazz… and then every game features horrifically dirty hits who’s only intent can be to severely injure someone.
 
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johnmd20 said:
There are a lot of bad QBs in the NFL. Mac is one of them.

But the Pats have a rot up and down their entire roster. The Jets are 4-3 and their QB is objectively worse than Mac.

This team is terrible. Mac isn't helping but it's not his fault. This team STINKS. Their offensive roster is bad. Their line is bad, their RBs are bad, and their receivers are woeful by NFL standards. And then Mac.

edit - finally, they lost literally their best two players a few weeks ago.
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Zach Wilson may or may not be worse than Mac, but the Jets have wins over Denver and the Giants and have yet to play Miami. They’re also pretty healthy on D.

Switch the Denver and Giants games with Miami and take Sauce Gardner off the field (as the Pats are missing their 2 best D players) and the Jets aren’t 4-3

not making excuses for the Pats, and you can only beat who you play etc etc but the 4-3 Jets and 2-6 Pats are pretty similar in terms of both being competitive enough on D but bad on offense. The Jets also have Garrett Wilson who is substantially better than any Pats WR.

the Wilson Jets and Pats are pretty comparable teams, with the Pats having a tougher schedule and more injuries to key players.Obviously a healthy Rodgers would have the Jets as a noticeably better team.

I’d guess both teams will end up with 6 wins. Jets might get to 7. Doubt they end up 2+ games better than the Pats
 
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Belichick for building this craptastic roster.
This team is pitiful and pretty much no fun to watch. 9 games to go…
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That’s it right there. This team is zero fun. It’s not even watching a rebuilding team with some interesting young players. The only joy I had all year was watching Gonzalez and realizing immediately he was a long term impact player. He got hurt and the small amount of fun evaporated to no fun.
 
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On pace for -191, which would be their worst since Rod Rust in 1990 (1-15). Just super.
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With the easier part of the schedule coming up, it’s unlikely (though you never know with this year’s team) they remain even close to the -191 pace. They should put up a few double digit wins against the collection of Giants, Jets, Commanders, Broncos, Colts and I doubt they lose by 30+ to anyone though KC, LA and Buffalo have the ability to do it (and if the Saints can, I suppose anyone could)
 
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johnmd20 said:
This is utter insanity.

The Pats will be nowhere near the Jets at the end of the season.
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I think the Pats beat both New York, one of Indy/Washington and Denver. Perhaps stealing a win against one of the others.6 wins is what I would bet on at this point.

the Jets have the Pats, Miami twice, Buffalo, Houston, Washington, Atlanta, Cleveland and Vegas. They barely beat a crippled Giants team today. Im assuming they lose 3, maybe all 4 of the division games, lose to Houston and split the rest. So maybe 7. But I’d be shocked if they got to 8 or if the Pats won fewer than 5. So they should each be at 6 +/- 1.

the idea that the Jets are similarly bad as the Pats is hardly insane. Their performance today should be enough to convince anyone of that. They needed Gano to miss a late game FG and the Giants to literally not be able to pass the ball to beat an awful awful Giants team. How do you think it’s “insane” to think they lose a ton of games moving forward?

both teams suck. The Pats have an easier path forward, albeit 2 games behind. Unless you really think the Pats end up with 3-4 wins, they should end up close to the Jets
 
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NextBigThing8184 said:
I think the Pats beat both New York, one of Indy/Washington and Denver. Perhaps stealing a win against one of the others.6 wins is what I would bet on at this point.

the Jets have the Pats, Miami twice, Buffalo, Houston, Washington, Atlanta, Cleveland and Vegas. They barely beat a crippled Giants team today. Im assuming they lose 3, maybe all 4 of the division games, lose to Houston and split the rest. So maybe 7. But I’d be shocked if they got to 8 or if the Pats won fewer than 5. So they should each be at 6 +/- 1.

the idea that the Jets are similarly bad as the Pats is hardly insane. Their performance today should be enough to convince anyone of that. They needed Gano to miss a late game FG and the Giants to literally not be able to pass the ball to beat an awful awful Giants team. How do you think it’s “insane” to think they lose a ton of games moving forward?

both teams suck. The Pats have an easier path forward, albeit 2 games behind. Unless you really think the Pats end up with 3-4 wins, they should end up close to the Jets
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The Jets beat the Eagles.

Do you know who else has beaten the Eagles this year? Nobody.
 
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