FIFA to trial Fourth Substitute at Olympics

[Infield Infidel]

"Following the recent decision by the IFAB to allow experimentation with a fourth substitution in extra-time, the FIFA executive committee agreed for such experiments to be conducted this year at the Olympic football tournaments, the FIFA Under-20 Women's World Cup in Papua New Guinea and the FIFA Club World Cup in Japan."

http://www.espnfc.us/blog/fifa/243/post/2832146/fifa-to-test-fourth-substitute-at-olympics-and-club-world-cup

I've always wanted to see this and I'm curious how it turns out. I hope this means they are getting more open-minded about changes

 

[soxfan121]

Wouldn't we (and by this I mean OLD fans and new) be happy with 3+1, where the +1 is a keeper injury OR a possible-concussion exemption?

I have no issue with keeping the fatigue substitution rules the same. But moving to acknowledge that head injuries are serious and that a keeper should come out after a collision is a big step forward, I think

 

[The Price Is Wrong]

I certainly would support that, SF. You don't want to give an incentive to a manager to hesitate replacing a player with a concussion, or an injured goalkeeper, out of a concern for downstream tactical flexibility. You don't want to give a player an incentive to downplay the seriousness of what they just experienced. It'd be like how baseball managers can explain to an ump (As they cross the foul lines) that their mound visit is injury-related rather than tactical, and it doesn't count as their once-an-inning tactical consult. Simply explain to the ref and the other manager, to their satisfaction, that the sub is related to an obvious injury caused during play - I feel pretty confident that any trends towards abuse will be self-correcting.

A 4th sub during AET is window dressing that doesn't solve any real problems people have. But at least (as II says) it suggests they're open to tinkering.

 

[SoxFanInCali]

Since 3 subs in 90 minutes = 1 per 30 minutes, I never understood why a 4th one wouldn't be available if you have to go another 30. I've definintely seen enough Liverpool cup finals where either a LFC player or an opponent was still out there when he shouldn't have been. in the 2006 FA Cup Final not only were 3 or 4 Liverpool guys barely moving because of leg cramps, but Marlon Harewood missed a point-blank chance to win it for the Hammers because he couldn't move his leg.

If a 4th sub reduces the chance of both teams playing keep-away for 30 minutes and taking it to penalties, I'm for it.

 

[Titans Bastard]

Wouldn't we (and by this I mean OLD fans and new) be happy with 3+1, where the +1 is a keeper injury OR a possible-concussion exemption?

No, you wouldn't be happy. And you can blame Bob Bradley.

 

[soxfan121]

Well, I like blaming Bob Bradley for things, so THANK YOU TB.

 

[McDrew]

Why aren't there just unlimited substitutions? Wouldn't the game be more exciting if Messi or Ronaldo or Neymar could get a couple 5 minute breathers, or people who were injured could be replaced without worry about manpower?

 

[soxfan121]

Why aren't there just unlimited substitutions? Wouldn't the game be more exciting if Messi or Ronaldo or Neymar could get a couple 5 minute breathers, or people who were injured could be replaced without worry about manpower?

Because fatigue management (and fitness) are part of the way the game is competitive.

 

[SoxFanInCali]

Why aren't there just unlimited substitutions? Wouldn't the game be more exciting if Messi or Ronaldo or Neymar could get a couple 5 minute breathers, or people who were injured could be replaced without worry about manpower?

Just what the sport needs, allowing Barca, Real, Man City, PSG, etc. to buy even more players so they can sub them in and out continuously.

 

[The Price Is Wrong]

No, you wouldn't be happy. And you can blame Bob Bradley.

Downright Belichickian. Quality link!

 

[Titans Bastard]

Why aren't there just unlimited substitutions? Wouldn't the game be more exciting if Messi or Ronaldo or Neymar could get a couple 5 minute breathers, or people who were injured could be replaced without worry about manpower?

If you like the style of play encouraged by unlimited substitutions, you'll LOVE college soccer.

 

[soxfan121]

Downright Belichickian. Quality link!

@Titans Bastard has the BEST links.

There is no one on the board who brings more (useful) information to every single post than TB.

 

[Titans Bastard]

Downright Belichickian. Quality link!

It's an early MLS classic. The best part is that Eddie Gaven scored the winner after being subbed in as a GK and swapped with 24 year old Tim Howard. Gaven retired after the 2013 season, but he's amazingly still only 29. Voros McCracken used to always lament Gaven's lost potential, in that he was a worse player at 20 than he was at 17 when he became the youngest player to make MLS's Best XI. It seemed like he retired because he had fallen out of love with the game, maybe that ultimately had something to do with his decline.

@Titans Bastard has the BEST links.

There is no one on the board who brings more (useful) information to every single post than TB.

Cheers.

 

[DJnVa]

It's an early MLS classic. The best part is that Eddie Gaven scored the winner after being subbed in as a GK and swapped with 24 year old Tim Howard. Gaven retired after the 2013 season, but he's amazingly still only 29. Voros McCracken used to always lament Gaven's lost potential, in that he was a worse player at 20 than he was at 17 when he became the youngest player to make MLS's Best XI. It seemed like he retired because he had fallen out of love with the game, maybe that ultimately had something to do with his decline.




Cheers.

I love it. Harbaugh would have had a conniption had BB used the rules like that.

And not only did the kid score the winner, Howard apparently stood on his head in OT.

 

[Senator Donut]

It's an early MLS classic. The best part is that Eddie Gaven scored the winner after being subbed in as a GK and swapped with 24 year old Tim Howard. Gaven retired after the 2013 season, but he's amazingly still only 29. Voros McCracken used to always lament Gaven's lost potential, in that he was a worse player at 20 than he was at 17 when he became the youngest player to make MLS's Best XI. It seemed like he retired because he had fallen out of love with the game, maybe that ultimately had something to do with his decline.

Hardly, there are two things that stand out more than to me. One is Ray Hudson as a MLS manager which just seems comical after his stints in Gol and BeIN. And also the fact that the author's biggest takeaway from Ambramovich's purchase of Chelsea was that London and Siberia are very different places.