Oh my lord, watching this is brutal.Oh god. Theyre doing compressions on him.
He just collapsed.I didn't see what happened to him. Holy shit they're doing CPR now? I hope he's ok.
He just collapsed. No collision. Looked like they used an AED at one point.I am sick to my stomach. Did he just collapse or was there a collision? I had left the room when he went down.
100% did use it.He just collapsed. No collision. Looked like they used an AED at one point.
Administering CRP is more important in the short term, as noted above.So his heart stopped. Where is an ambulance?
My wife is a paramedic. She is an on field paramedic for a major D1 football school with several years of experience. She is watching this with me. What they are doing is the best medical practice. It used to be that they would extract the patient ASAP, but research has shown that any gaps in CPR have major consequences. Best practice is to continually do CPR, even if on the field, up to 40 minutes. There isn't anything else they would do in an ambulance. It isn't worth the interruption. I see now they've loaded him - she is hopeful that means they've gotten a heartbeat back.So his heart stopped. Where is an ambulance?
Understood but EMTs can still administer CPR in transport.Administering CRP is more important in the short term, as noted above.
Based on what your wife said, would they have moved him after roughly 5-10 minutes if they didn’t get a pulse?My wife is a paramedic. She is an on field paramedic for a major D1 football school with several years of experience. She is watching this with me. What they are doing is the best medical practice. It used to be that they would extract the patient ASAP, but research has shown that any gaps in CPR have major consequences. Best practice is to continually do CPR, even if on the field, up to 40 minutes. There isn't anything else they would do in an ambulance. It isn't worth the interruption. I see now they've loaded him - she is hopeful that means they've gotten a heartbeat back.
I asked her many of the questions that have been asked here. She said it isn't that they can't do CPR during transport. The issue is that stopping CPR while they turn him on his side, get the board/stretcher under him, and positioned - just those few seconds of stopping CPR is enough to have dramatic negative effects. She said as a field medic, there are about 10 things they are looking for with a cardiac arrest in a pre-hospital setting ("h's" and "t's"). She said they have medications and tools they use trying to address those and hope it is one of them. She was extremely encouraged that they took him off after about 15 minutes of work. She said that it certainly appeared to be a well run operation and this scenario is certainly something they planned for and drilled. That they took him off indicated strongly to her that they got back a pulse.Based on what your wife said, would they have moved him after roughly 5-10 minutes if they didn’t get a pulse?
Usually you try and get some degree of stabilization before moving.Based on what your wife said, would they have moved him after roughly 5-10 minutes if they didn’t get a pulse?
Usually in this type of patient population, it is a shockable arrhythmia (the AED can literally zap the patient out of it) and once it is broken, it is not uncommon to have people wake up/respond/etc.I’m only catching up on this now but I see pics on Twitter suggesting he was moving and alert when taken off the pitch.
Thanks. That’s great info and certainly encouraging (to go along with the pic posted above). That was scary to watch live.I asked her many of the questions that have been asked here. She said it isn't that they can't do CPR during transport. The issue is that stopping CPR while they turn him on his side, get the board/stretcher under him, and positioned - just those few seconds of stopping CPR is enough to have dramatic negative effects. She said as a field medic, there are about 10 things they are looking for with a cardiac arrest in a pre-hospital setting ("h's" and "t's"). She said they have medications and tools they use trying to address those and hope it is one of them. She was extremely encouraged that they took him off after about 15 minutes of work. She said that it certainly appeared to be a well run operation and this scenario is certainly something they planned for and drilled. That they took him off indicated strongly to her that they got back a pulse.
I am clearly mistaken, but I thought AED usage and chest compressions are not compatible. I thought if there is no heartbeat, you do CPR because an AED only helps when the patient is fibrillating, not to re-start a stopped heart. And if there is a fibrillating heart, you don't do chest compressions because that is dangerous to a beating heart. Could one of you medical nerds set me straight?Usually you try and get some degree of stabilization before moving.
Usually in this type of patient population, it is a shockable arrhythmia (the AED can literally zap the patient out of it) and once it is broken, it is not uncommon to have people wake up/respond/etc.