If I looked at the Tyree catch as many times and in as much detail as this one, I could make a comparison. But even now I've only seen the whole thing once, in real time, and I aint goin' back.
Edelman's Catch
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Juxtaposed with the Atlanta defender (Alford?) gaping in disbelief at the jumbotron it was an exquisite sequence.
I love Andrews is aware enough to go over to Edelman, ask for the ball, grab it and hand it to the ref and spot it in that situation. Which lead to the Falcons having to challenge prior to the 2 minute warning.
Yup. Jules totally robbed Julio of his iconic SB moment. That would eat me alive as a player.
I'll be damned. Since that game, I still close my eyes on replays, so have never rewatched it but I always thought it was fourth down which made it sting that much more. Eli definitely lucks into another throw if that catch doesn't happen.
Im calling bullshit on this.
Call me pedantic, but at the very least you watched the replay after it happened, even just to see if he caught it. Beyond that I find it hard to believe you have somehow avoided every replay over the last nine years that pops up randomly in games or on sportscenter.
I can't say I've seen video footage of that catch much. I've seen a lot of stills of it though.
If you watched that game there's no way you only saw it once. Very least you watched nine replays in disbelief.
Edit: beyond that, sure, we all turn our heads when we see it coming. But I don't buy a Pats fan only saw it once. Or was clairvoyant enough to know it was coming in broadcast.
Edit: beyond that, sure, we all turn our heads when we see it coming. But I don't buy a Pats fan only saw it once. Or was clairvoyant enough to know it was coming in broadcast.
Nope, that's why I said I've seen "the whole thing" only once. I manage to close my eyes whenever it comes on. I've seen the first few seconds a ton. Tho admittedly I don't remember if I watched replays at the time.
I used to do the same for the Buckner play but now that's OK.
What seems clear to me after viewing #280 is: Alford has no chance at the INT and isn't really going for the ball, but rather for the tap. But: if Edelman doesn't immediately adjust his trajectory and dive for the ball, it's most likely caught by Neal, who's diving for the deflection. Edelman wedges his body between the ball and Neal to save the game. The fact that he then caught the damn thing is gravy...
If Bucker is ok, why isn't the Tyree catch ok now? The Pats have won 2 of the last 3 super bowls. Brady and Belichick are the best ever. They have exorcised the demons, even if they never got that 19-0 season.
I'm with ya. I can watch it now. I have even talked myself into the fact that I attended an historic Super Bowl, instead of the nut punch it was, because 49 and now 51 bump it from most historic.
I was fine with it after 49. At least enough to watch the replay. I considered the karma slate clean after the Butler pick.
Maybe at some point, but the chance at history and shutting up the Dolphins forever will always make that play worse than Buckner in my book. 2004 and two more titles erased the sting of 1986 but perfection is a different story.
We saw two or three spectacular catches from Julio Jones but since he's that good of an athlete it didn't upset me like the Tyree catch. Tyree was a lucky son of a gun. Julio Jones is just good. Really really good. Future hall of famer good. The Butler interception helped ease the pain of the Kearse catch and the Helmet catch. The Edelman catch makes everything better. This win takes away my angst going forward.
This team has been in contention to either be in or win the Super Bowl every year Brady has started except for 2002. They were 11-5 in 2008. They won five championships and lost two. Each win and loss was close. Maybe losing 2007 hurt more but I'm finally ok with it. It's hard to win a Super Bowl and the team I love has won 5 since 2001. We had some heartbreak on the way but that comes with being so good for so long.
I still want them to win. I'd love to see 6 or 7 titles and getting into or surpassing Jordan and the Bulls territory but I won't be as upset if they fall short. I'm going to enjoy the rest of the TB12 and BB years just happy with whatever happens and enjoying every last second of it. But, yeah, get 7 titles and beat Jordan.
This team has been in contention to either be in or win the Super Bowl every year Brady has started except for 2002. They were 11-5 in 2008. They won five championships and lost two. Each win and loss was close. Maybe losing 2007 hurt more but I'm finally ok with it. It's hard to win a Super Bowl and the team I love has won 5 since 2001. We had some heartbreak on the way but that comes with being so good for so long.
I still want them to win. I'd love to see 6 or 7 titles and getting into or surpassing Jordan and the Bulls territory but I won't be as upset if they fall short. I'm going to enjoy the rest of the TB12 and BB years just happy with whatever happens and enjoying every last second of it. But, yeah, get 7 titles and beat Jordan.
I was saying after the game that 2 years ago gave me closure/relief on 2012. This year gave me closure/relief on 2007. Obviously they still hurt - but the pain of those are dwarfed by the joy of these two now.
It's not a perfect analogy, but it's kinda where I'm at I think.
It's not a perfect analogy, but it's kinda where I'm at I think.
NFLN just did their opinion of the top 10 SB catches of all time and made Julian's #2.
OK, 4 were vs. the Pats (you can guess). #1 was Big Ben to Santonio Holmes to win SB 43. They did include all Super Bowls as Max McGee's TD from Starr was included.
OK, 4 were vs. the Pats (you can guess). #1 was Big Ben to Santonio Holmes to win SB 43. They did include all Super Bowls as Max McGee's TD from Starr was included.
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I like the closure/relief on 2007 angle a lot. 2014, to me, was its own thing (the Butler pick gave closure/relief from the Kearse catch). Still waiting for closure/relief for 2012... maybe we can get it next year, with Julian hanging on to a difficult but catchable ball.
It's pretty close to perfect. The extra juice associated with the FU Goodell makes up for the loss of what should have been a truly perfect season.
I guess I think about it this way. 2014 gave us the 4th title they needed to validate that the first 3 weren't a fluke of that era's team. Gave Brady his 4th, BB his 4th, kinda put them solidly into GOAT status but it wasn't cut and dry and certainly could be debated. And it did in a pure elation type way that gave us a moment of pure joy. Thats what I felt they missed in 2012, a chance to solidify their overall legacy. 2014 gave them that.
This year was all about history. Instead of cementing the undisputed greatest season ever, they cemented the undisputed greatest careers ever. Greatest QB ever. Greatest coach ever. Greatest comeback ever. They now have their rightful place in history as the all time greatest and it's completely without debate. That's what was denied them in 2007, and now they have it on an even grander scale.
I'm officially at peace with 2007.
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How about, makes up for 2006? The AFCCG in Indy might have been the most similar game in playoff history and the Pats came out on the other end of it, costing themselves a near-certain title in the process.
2007 will be made up for by 2017.
The absolute best part of this sequence - and I mean the marrow of it - is when JE11 says "I caught it" and the Falcons Poole, pointing at one monitor, says "No way, look here" and Edelman does the exact same thing ("watch") at the other monitor. We know who won that argument. The same guy that was part of the team that won the game. Fucking brilliant.
As a side note, is there any doubt that Edelman is the Patriots Millar?
#4. They actually used 3 of his great catches from SB X and XIII. The video is available on line if you search for "nfl network top 10 super bowl catches".
This video makes me realize that for all the focus on Edelman's hand speed at the end of the catch, he starts it by making a mid-air adjustment after the tip to get in position to spring back forward, that is some literal Matrix shit.
Lots of talk out there about "luck," including from a humble Julian on Fallon. And there obviously, definitely was. BUT: Watching Edelman's eyes* in the slo-mo replay tells a story of the tremendous and singular focus that just as obviously, just as definitely, played a key role in completing that miraculous reception.
* copyright, some Boston-based girl band name circa 2018
Edit: just the same typo, autocorrect bullshit as always
* copyright, some Boston-based girl band name circa 2018
Edit: just the same typo, autocorrect bullshit as always
Just realized we went through a whole playoff game and I think Jules actually made it without being concussed.
I always remembered it as 4th down as well. When Eli was almost sacked, I was thinking, "That's game!" Then I saw he was still on his feet and then throwing it. I was going, "no,no no" and then that catch. All these years I thought if only Rodney had knocked it loose, we would have won. So they actually had one more shot and could have potentially gotten a first down anyway, though maybe not as close.
Yes, this Superbowl win, and Jules catch, takes away Tyree for me. I always thought that I wanted the Pats to win a Superbowl by a lot of points to prove they are the greatest. But coming back from such a huge deficit does it so much better!
I think this is right.
Like, when it was 3 wins and then the next two trips were losses... there was a kind of uneasiness, a sense of either decline or coming up short of potential.
Now those losses are just hiccups--Hey, can't win'em all, right?
I would agree with this 100% if the 4th down defensive holding call late in the game in Baltimore in 2007 hadn't been called and the Pats had come to that SB with one loss. But losing a chance at perfection is something I think I'll never get over.I think this is right.
Like, when it was 3 wins and then the next two trips were losses... there was a kind of uneasiness, a sense of either decline or coming up short of potential.
Now those losses are just hiccups--Hey, can't win'em all, right?
It's like watching a weasel steal an egg from a Falcon's nest.
Falcon's nest robbery?
Ball Hawk robs Falcon nest.
Asante Samuel was no worse than the third best player on defense that year, after Vrabel and arguably Wilfork. He had an AV of 15, with 6 INT that year and 10 (!) the previous year. The guy played his balls off for us. Do you loathe Welker too, cause, you know, he dropped that ball? Or Jon Lester, because he couldn't finish off the comeback in the 2008 ALCS? Just seems like a weird target to loathe.
I totally agree. It's easy to forget that play was on first down, and we had PLENTY of time. I think it's very likely we score on that drive even if that ball hit the ground.