ECQF Game 5: 4/30/24 vs. Tarranna

IdiotKicker

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That Coyle post and Marchand empty net whiff hurt a ton. They played like shit but still had two golden chances to end the game and didn’t. Better show up in game 6.
 

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was beecher a scratch?
Beecher and Shattenkirk went out, Brazeau and Grz went in.

In general I like Grz's game, and he was great for most of the night... and maybe this is confirmation bias on my part... but he's been on the ice for some absolutely backbreaking playoff goals. Shattenkirk hasn't been all that great either, so this decision is whatever for me.

Brazeau just got back, and he immediately goes in while Pat Maroon was also there. Two guys with a very similar game, while losing Beecher who can at least skate and win faceoffs. That's a headscratcher for me.
 

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Bruins played one of the worst games I can remember and they still came close to winning. I won't say I'm encouraged by it, but the good news is Toronto really wasn't much better than the worst version of the Bruins I can remember. Get it together, get back to playing Bruins hockey, and dominate 60 minutes to put the Leafs away.
What happens if they add a healthy Matthews in TOR? B's haven't faced a TOR team with healthy Nylander and Matthews yet this series. That will cause me to drink next game. .
 

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Beecher and Shattenkirk went out, Brazeau and Grz went in.

In general I like Grz's game, and he was great for most of the night... and maybe this is confirmation bias on my part... but he's been on the ice for some absolutely backbreaking playoff goals. Shattenkirk hasn't been all that great either, so this decision is whatever for me.

Brazeau just got back, and he immediately goes in while Pat Maroon was also there. Two guys with a very similar game, while losing Beecher who can at least skate and win faceoffs. That's a headscratcher for me.
JVR is basically the same as Maroon and Brazeau as well, can't win in playoffs with 3 guys that can't skate. 1 or 2 is fine but that is a ridiculous lack of speed out there. Beecher should have been in for JVR if they really wanted to get Brazeau in. Beecher has been one of the better players all series.
 

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Just got home from the game. Get JVR the fuck off the ice for the rest of the year. He has no legs left and was the most ineffectual player on the ice every time he was on. Put in Beecher. I'm ambivalent on Shattenkirk vs Gryz.
 

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Just got home from the game. Get JVR the fuck off the ice for the rest of the year. He has no legs left and was the most ineffectual player on the ice every time he was on. Put in Beecher. I'm ambivalent on Shattenkirk vs Gryz.
You are home? Jealous. Stuck in an uber on 93S with 40 mins to go.

Fuck tonight.
 

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Horrific gutless effort. Two shots in the first. Pasta making Tony Mazz look correct. I’m pissed.
 

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With each passing chance to close out a series, and I’ve said this before, I’m getting the sense that Monty is not a wartime consigliere.

The Bruins are carrying a lot of baggage now back to Toronto: they know better than we do this is just like last year. Swayman has had three chances to close out series in his career and has lost them all. McAvoy has played very meh in the playoffs since Chara departed.

There’s no easy way around any of this. They have to fucking figure it out. They are certainly capable of doing so but it would be great if they didn’t flub every chance they got.
 

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With each passing chance to close out a series, and I’ve said this before, I’m getting the sense that Monty is not a wartime consigliere.

The Bruins are carrying a lot of baggage now back to Toronto: they know better than we do this is just like last year. Swayman has had three chances to close out series in his career and has lost them all. McAvoy has played very meh in the playoffs since Chara departed.

There’s no easy way around any of this. They have to fucking figure it out. They are certainly capable of doing so but it would be great if they didn’t flub every chance they got.
I’m happy to point the finger at anyone but Swayman tonight. He was the only player to show up for the full game, and if you give up 1 goal in 60 minutes and make the saves he did, you should win.
 

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With each passing chance to close out a series, and I’ve said this before, I’m getting the sense that Monty is not a wartime consigliere.

The Bruins are carrying a lot of baggage now back to Toronto: they know better than we do this is just like last year. Swayman has had three chances to close out series in his career and has lost them all. McAvoy has played very meh in the playoffs since Chara departed.

There’s no easy way around any of this. They have to fucking figure it out. They are certainly capable of doing so but it would be great if they didn’t flub every chance they got.
Sway is the only reason the game went to OT, that is the hottest of takes that he lost the game. Felger won't even go that far.
 

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With each passing chance to close out a series, and I’ve said this before, I’m getting the sense that Monty is not a wartime consigliere.

The Bruins are carrying a lot of baggage now back to Toronto: they know better than we do this is just like last year. Swayman has had three chances to close out series in his career and has lost them all. McAvoy has played very meh in the playoffs since Chara departed.

There’s no easy way around any of this. They have to fucking figure it out. They are certainly capable of doing so but it would be great if they didn’t flub every chance they got.
Swayman gave up one regulation goal despite being hung out to dry multiple times. He is NOT the problem.
 

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Sway is the only reason the game went to OT, that is the hottest of takes that he lost the game. Felger won't even go that far.
I didn’t mean to imply Sway was bad, far from it. Only that he knows full well he’s yet to win an elimination game in the NHL.

It’s something he’ll be carrying with him to Toronto.
 

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With each passing chance to close out a series, and I’ve said this before, I’m getting the sense that Monty is not a wartime consigliere.

The Bruins are carrying a lot of baggage now back to Toronto: they know better than we do this is just like last year. Swayman has had three chances to close out series in his career and has lost them all. McAvoy has played very meh in the playoffs since Chara departed.

There’s no easy way around any of this. They have to fucking figure it out. They are certainly capable of doing so but it would be great if they didn’t flub every chance they got.
Fuck off with Swayman takes... horrible take
 

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I don’t even know what that means that he’ll “take that to Toronto”
It means that he knows it’s something he’s yet to accomplish in the NHL, and that he’s had three chances so far.

He played great tonight but they lost anyway. That’s got to be discouraging to him. He’ll likely be putting more pressure on himself for Game 6 to be perfect.
 

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Play Ully game 6. Please. And It has zero to do with Sway. He was increíble tonight

Why the fuck is there so much traffic on 93S at 10pm
 

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Probably nothing to be done until the entire roster, coaching staff, and front office turn over. Just have never figured out the recipe for playoff success. Don’t see this team winning another Cup for a long time, unfortunately. These things do carry over.
 

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Probably nothing to be done until the entire roster, coaching staff, and front office turn over. Just have never figured out the recipe for playoff success. Don’t see this team winning another Cup for a long time, unfortunately. These things do carry over.
I just can’t figure why they can’t put teams away. It’s been a very long standing issue.
 

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Probably nothing to be done until the entire roster, coaching staff, and front office turn over. Just have never figured out the recipe for playoff success. Don’t see this team winning another Cup for a long time, unfortunately. These things do carry over.
It’s like the mid-late 90s all over but they are SO much better now. It’s confounding.
 

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Probably nothing to be done until the entire roster, coaching staff, and front office turn over. Just have never figured out the recipe for playoff success. Don’t see this team winning another Cup for a long time, unfortunately. These things do carry over.
Except for that cup and three finals appearances in 8 years before this recent spell.

Look do they choke a lot in the playoffs historically? Absolutely.

Do they have a flawed roster? Yes we knew that going into the season, many of us picked them to miss the playoffs this season.

Is the coach over his head in the playoffs? Maybe, but hockey coaches pretty replaceable. Personally I don’t like to keep any coach for more than 4 years, but that’s just my opinion. By the time this team is a legitimate contender again, someone else will be coaching.

Have they also not been one of the more successful playoff teams in the league over the last 15 years? I would argue that they have been. And that’s without going to the bottom of the league for 2/3 years and drafting top 5 talent.

They have a program that they’ve built where guys want to play here, and they’re doing a great job developing talent without high picks.

Look we know how even these teams are. It was always going to be a long rock fight at the end.
 

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Except for that cup and three finals appearances in 8 years before this recent spell.

Look do they choke a lot in the playoffs historically? Absolutely.

Do they have a flawed roster? Yes we knew that going into the season, many of us picked them to miss the playoffs this season.

Is the coach over his head in the playoffs? Maybe, but hockey coaches pretty replaceable. Personally I don’t like to keep any coach for more than 4 years, but that’s just my opinion. By the time this team is a legitimate contender again, someone else will be coaching.

Have they also not been one of the more successful playoff teams in the league over the last 15 years? I would argue that they have been. And that’s without going to the bottom of the league for 2/3 years and drafting top 5 talent.

They have a program that they’ve built where guys want to play here, and they’re doing a great job developing talent without high picks.

Look we know how even these teams are. It was always going to be a long rock fight at the end.
All of the above is a 100% correct and sober assessment of this team.

Roy Kent would summarize the situation with the same degree of accuracy: “Fucking Hell!!”
 

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Except for that cup and three finals appearances in 8 years before this recent spell.

Look do they choke a lot in the playoffs historically? Absolutely.

Do they have a flawed roster? Yes we knew that going into the season, many of us picked them to miss the playoffs this season.

Is the coach over his head in the playoffs? Maybe, but hockey coaches pretty replaceable. Personally I don’t like to keep any coach for more than 4 years, but that’s just my opinion. By the time this team is a legitimate contender again, someone else will be coaching.

Have they also not been one of the more successful playoff teams in the league over the last 15 years? I would argue that they have been. And that’s without going to the bottom of the league for 2/3 years and drafting top 5 talent.

They have a program that they’ve built where guys want to play here, and they’re doing a great job developing talent without high picks.

Look we know how even these teams are. It was always going to be a long rock fight at the end.
This is good
 

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I suspect they get into a “don’t make mistakes” mode instead of a “go make plays mode.” Just a hunch.
That’s pretty much it. They get really tight at home. That’s why a guy like Mark Recchi was so valuable to that 2011 team. Veteran voice that would tell the guys “fuck these guys were winning this” instead of the guys on the bench thinking “we’re fucked” as soon as a puck bounces and the crowd gets quiet.

Now Toronto has the choke gene as bad if not worse than the Bruins so we’ll who shits down their leg last I guess. Matthews may well do that literally.
 

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Yeah. I just have no idea. Unless the goal was, in fact, not to close out Toronto because the idea of sitting for a week before the next series is unwanted or something.

Just awful job by the coach.
This is now the second playoff series he’s fucking up. If this goes south, he shouldn’t get a third. In fact no matter what happens in these next two games, they should rethink Jim Montgomery.
 

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I've been on the fire Monty train since last years playoffs. Watching him make the same mistakes yet again is infuriating. Irrational? Yes, but still scratching your best face-off guy who was playing well in a playoff elimination game is coaching malpractice.
 

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They’ve done it pretty much the entire time I’ve been alive. I don’t understand how a team with such a loud fanbase that constantly hangs out the building loses so much on home ice.

I do wonder if the actual ice surface itself is a problem now.
I was at three straight home Game 7 losses before being in the barn for Game 6 vs. Vancouver.