Two INTs!CantKeepmedown said:It was unreal. "Luck likes a 13.0 ball. Rodgers like's it overinflated. Brady should just come out and admit that he can't throw a regulation ball very well."
Did he miss the Super Bowl?
Two INTs!CantKeepmedown said:It was unreal. "Luck likes a 13.0 ball. Rodgers like's it overinflated. Brady should just come out and admit that he can't throw a regulation ball very well."
Did he miss the Super Bowl?
drleather2001 said:Oh, hey, while we're at it, let's offer totally baseless and impossible-to-contradict vague accusations of being "good cheaters."
This is Grade A propaganda.
soxhop411 said:
Ed Hillel said:
The "best," let's not cut them short pls. I'm sure the reputation is absolutely 100% not based on bitterness over losing constantly.
I thought that would elicit criticism about the League going soft on Kraft -- better to lose a draft pick next year than this, would be the line.ShaneTrot said:Is it not interesting that this was released after the 2015 Draft? We are still talking about the NFL while the MLB season has started, and the NBA and NHL are in their playoffs. All these football writers are still getting page-views. Fascinating.
scotian1 said:Jerry Thorton is not an unbiased observer but then who is but his blog today is an interesting take on the referee who measured the Pats balls higher than the other official while the Colts balls higher.
http://thornography.weei.com/sports/boston/2015/05/08/referee-who-measured-air-pressure-screwed-patriots-before/
Brady and the NFLPA then burn the NFL to the groundSection15Box113 said:Yep. I think he's coming down disproportionately hard here.
Citing "awareness, and possible guidance, of the actions of team personnel" and "failure to cooperate with investigators" (and any other bullshit he can come up with), the Commissioner spins his wheel of justice and suspends Brady for 8 games and imposes a $500K fine as well. Team is docked a third rounder.
Tempted to say he'll try to go longer, but what I've outlined above would be complete and utter bullshit (on all fronts) as it is.
Now, if it weren't Goodell, the punishment would fit the (alleged) infraction. Small fine, no suspension.
Mooch said:I originally thought it would be just a fine but with all of the press coverage, I'm guessing that Goodell drops the hammer: 8 Game suspension, $100k fine to Brady; $500k fine to the Pats plus next year's first round draft pick.
You both just scalded Stich's nuts with spilled coffee.Section15Box113 said:Yep. I think he's coming down disproportionately hard here.
Citing "awareness, and possible guidance, of the actions of team personnel" and "failure to cooperate with investigators" (and any other bullshit he can come up with), the Commissioner spins his wheel of justice and suspends Brady for 8 games and imposes a $500K fine as well. Team is docked a third rounder.
Tempted to say he'll try to go longer, but what I've outlined above would be complete and utter bullshit (on all fronts) as it is.
Now, if it weren't Goodell, the punishment would fit the (alleged) infraction. Small fine, no suspension.
soxhop411 said:
Jason Cole @JasonPhilCole 7s7 seconds ago
Insider Buzz: NFL Thinks Deflategate Case Is Strong Despite Brady Camp Comments http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2458052-insider-buzz-nfl-thinks-deflategate-case-is-strong-despite-brady-camp-comments?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web-mob-art-vid-16 … via @bleacherreport
Ed Hillel said:
Well, there's a shock.
Anyway, Yee is coming up on WEEI in the next 10-15 minutes, for those interested.
My hope is that Tagliabue hears the appeal and eviscerates Goodell and his merry band of Kensildouches for mishandling the whole situation.You both just scalded Stich's nuts with spilled coffee.
I can't rule this out; as I said, I think there is a 10% chance he leaves the reservation.
Now for the good news. If it's anything like this, the penalty is DOA at the reviewing judge's table. On these facts, it gets no deference. The split-the-difference game theory backfires cause it's taken too far.
Its fucking ridiculous and more than enough reason to remove Goodell as the commissioner of the league. If TB12 gets suspended I hope Kraft comes out and says all support for Goodell is gone and he will rally other owners behind him.Captaincoop said:We're really talking about a 4-8 game suspension for a guy who maybe was aware that .5 PSI of air was removed from a football?
And the Pats are going to lose a draft pick for that?
I'm trying to think of any example in any major sport that is even remotely close to this. Where a player was suspended for ~20% of a season for a very minor playing rules violation. This is like suspending a baseball player for a month for using a glove that was an inch too wide.
In short, has the world gone mad?
Its Goodell... so yesCaptaincoop said:We're really talking about a 4-8 game suspension for a guy who maybe was aware that .5 PSI of air was removed from a football?
And the Pats are going to lose a draft pick for that?
I'm trying to think of any example in any major sport that is even remotely close to this. Where a player was suspended for ~20% of a season for a very minor playing rules violation. This is like suspending a baseball player for a month for using a glove that was an inch too wide.
In short, has the world gone mad?
You are operating under the assumption that Goodell acts rationally as opposed to catering to public opinion, particularly post Ray Rice. I get the feeling that he is going to make a statement with this one.We're really talking about a 4-8 game suspension for a guy who maybe was aware that .5 PSI of air was removed from a football?
And the Pats are going to lose a draft pick for that?
I'm trying to think of any example in any major sport that is even remotely close to this. Where a player was suspended for ~20% of a season for a very minor playing rules violation. This is like suspending a baseball player for a month for using a glove that was an inch too wide.
In short, has the world gone mad?
Exactly.soxhop411 said:Brady and the NFLPA then burn the NFL to the ground
soxhop411 said:
Jason Cole @JasonPhilCole 7s7 seconds ago
Insider Buzz: NFL Thinks Deflategate Case Is Strong Despite Brady Camp Comments http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2458052-insider-buzz-nfl-thinks-deflategate-case-is-strong-despite-brady-camp-comments?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web-mob-art-vid-16 … via @bleacherreport
Mooch said:You are operating under the assumption that Goodell acts rationally as opposed to catering to public opinion, particularly post Ray Rice. I get the feeling that he is going to make a statement with this one.
It took TMZ releasing a video for him to punish someone..... So yes he is incompetentCaptaincoop said:
That what, he's completely incompetent?
I just have trouble believing that any penalty against Brady is going to withstand appeal.
Yes, the investigation tried to cover all the bases, but this simulation is flawed (and not well described), and still relies on the 12.5 and 13.0 as the exact pressure of every Patriots and Colts ball, respectively.Joshv02 said:Right - and that a mere 30 seconds to a minute change in our assumptions (for when we start measuring these) makes the data fit perfectly with the narrative that it is simply the natural processes at work (as you can see on the time graphs right after tables 13-14).
This is really a story of people using numbers to confuse.
CantKeepmedown said:It was unreal. "Luck likes a 13.0 ball. Rodgers like's it overinflated. Brady should just come out and admit that he can't throw a regulation ball very well."
Did he miss the Super Bowl?
BigSoxFan said:Polian
Dungy
Kravitz
What's the deal with Indianapolis and self-righteousness? Holy shit.
Captaincoop said:
I just have trouble believing that any penalty against Brady is going to withstand appeal.
Yossarian said:I know next to nothing about internal corporate investigations or the like, so maybe this is common practice in that world. But I am bothered by one point that keeps getting brought up -- that "more probable than not" is not a troubling standard by which to judge guilt because that's essentially the same standard--preponderance of the evidence--that is followed in civil litigation.
That's true enough, but one of the reasons that standard is followed in the court system is because it's been arrived at through the adversary process. The evidence of the plaintiff has been tested through (hopefully) rigorous cross-examination by parties with a strong interest in testing it, experts presented by one side are frequently offset or challenged by competing experts, and then the factfinder evaluates everything they've just seen and heard -- only deciding at THAT point if there's 51 percent evidence that the plaintiff has proved its case.
This "process," such as it is, features none of that. No one from the Patriots has had any opportunity to challenge the expert conclusions, poke holes in witness testimony, or subject the evidence or conclusions drawn to any kind of pushback before the "verdict" was reached. As I said, maybe that's commonplace when dealing with corporate or internal investigations, but it has nothing to do with the standard of proof set out in litigation -- so it shouldn't be defended that way.
Heard, I believe, Chris Villani on WEEI with Mike Adams about an hour ago. Villani bowed down to the awesome scientific analysis of Exponent. Adams replied, "It's not even science!"
Any time Mike Adams is making more sense than you are should fill you with deep shame.
that came up in fivethirtyeight's analysis yesterday
Are people referring to this piece? If so, yeah I was shocked to see something so ridiculous coming from 538, though at least Nate Silver wasn't one of the people taking part in that particular online discussion.so the blog of He-Who-Must-Be-Worshipped-Here (sorry Rumpole) has bitten SoSh in the ass?
I cannot compete with them on science. But when they say that the fumble rate is proof this has been going on for years, I can and will kill them on logic ...
But it happens. Nate is great at politics and baseball. He sucks ass on college basketball and soccer. So, too, with the sons of Nate ...
Ed Hillel said:~ The interview was 6 hours
~ No subjects were off limits
~ No plans at the moment to release the notes from the meeting
~ Report states enough about what had occurred, but disagreed with the conclusions
~ Yee met with Ted Wells, think he's a fine man
~ At every point where team could have made an inference positive to the Patriots, they chose not to. In any instance where Colts of NFL official could make an inference, they chose to believe them
~ Doesn't feel report was truly independent, but doesn't have any conflict towards Wells or team
~ Not a legal proceeding, so there was no access to cross examine Colts, NFL, or Ravens officials
~ Hasn't heard anything regarding punishment, he's hoping there's none (lol)
~ Wells could have written "certain," "virtually certain," or "substantially certain," but chose "more probable than not."
~ Tom loves the ballboys, and is upset they've been brought into this situation and is certain they did nothing wrong
~ Tom actually laughed at the texts and understood the context of the "F tom" conversation
At this point, Yee was seemingly assassinated by Roger Goodell.
Yee has risen from the dead.
~ If punishment handed down, will see what the options are.
Now he's gone for good.
Captaincoop said:We're really talking about a 4-8 game suspension for a guy who maybe was aware that .5 PSI of air was removed from a football?
And the Pats are going to lose a draft pick for that?
I'm trying to think of any example in any major sport that is even remotely close to this. Where a player was suspended for ~20% of a season for a very minor playing rules violation. This is like suspending a baseball player for a month for using a glove that was an inch too wide.
In short, has the world gone mad?
4 6 3 DP said:I believe Belichick gets suspended under the Sean Payton theory. In fact I think he may well get more than Brady. I hope I am wrong.
Why? That punishment never holds.dcmissle said:You both just scalded Stich's nuts with spilled coffee.
I can't rule this out; as I said, I think there is a 10% chance he leaves the reservation.
Now for the good news. If it's anything like this, the penalty is DOA at the reviewing judge's table. On these facts, it gets no deference. The split-the-difference game theory backfires cause it's taken too far.