#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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BoneForYourJar

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Yeah, I want blood.

And it's not about the Seahawks even a little - hell, I love Marshawn 'New Jack' Lynch. I want destruction and devastation in this game to fuck the NLF, and to fuck the Colts, and to fuck the Ravens, and most of all to fuck the media, and especially to fuck the Boston media who jumped all over the deflate bandwagon. 
 
If anybody here has good connections to God:  can we please arrange for Shaughnessy's hair to burst into flames when Gronk spikes the winning touchdown?
 

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It's true. A loss tomorrow would have sucked no matter what. But after all this, a win would just be that much fucking better.

Fuck em all.
I don't want just a win. I want something more lopsided than 45-7. I want to see Kraft, Belichick and Tom Brady rip the Lombardi Trophy out of Goodell's hands, I want him pushed off stage and publicly humiliated. I want nothing less than his resignation within a week following the game.
 

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 Merciful Father, I have squandered my days with booze, fast women, SOSH forums, and Football Central . Tomorrow will not be among them. But at this SB, I beg only to live this next game well. For all we ought to have thought, and have not thought; all we ought to have said, and have not said; all we ought to have done, and have not done; I pray thee, God, for a New England Patriots Super bowl victory over the Seahawks, and not just a squeeker that gives me a  3 hour heart attack, I will totally take that, but I would strongly prefer a highly cathartic win with touchdown after demoralizing touchdown scored by the Patriots, and another 4 interceptions by Wilson, who thinks you are choosing him over all others, please make him pay for this, and please if possible restore some balance and punish those that would spread lies and hate by way of  "trusted insider leaks", and please make Roger Goodell face his crimes, and know the end is near as he hands the Lombardi trophy to the NEP... I ask you this with utmost humility, and also promise to be good for the rest of the year, and hopefully we can also talk in October : )
 
PS God, could we also have Dan Shaughnessy's hair burst into flames whenever Rob Gronkowski score a TD? Maybe not a literal fire, but you know, intense pain cause he has been a total douche about a lot of things. Thanks God!!
 

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Warning- Semi-Irrational rant to follow.
 
I have lurked on the various iterations of SOSH forums for over 10 years now and this is the first topic that pissed me off enough to actively participate in the conversation. A couple key facts about me first.,,I have spent most of my professional career leading an analytics group in the vaccine industry. Also, I grew up in New England, but have lived in NY, NJ, and PA for the past 20 years surrounded by Giants, Jets, and Eagles fans.
 
Based on these experiences I am probably a little oversensitive to a few things:
  • One or two moron scientists being either dishonest or stupid enough to confuse the public on proven facts
  • People trusting comments returned on Google search results over facts and logic
  • People trying to cherry pick data for their analyses to give them the conclusion they want 
  • People hating on Bill Fucking Belichick because he wins, and is two steps ahead of the 31 other NFL franchises on pretty much everything
The day they beat the Colts I thought to myself "win or lose in the superbowl I am happy with this season".  Then the Colts whined, the media smelled blood, and "deflategate" was born.  The NFL declared war on not only the NEP, but on logic and proven scientific facts as well. Things got surreal quickly, and soon I was staying up late at night writing emails to Neil Degrasse Tyson and Bill Nye explaining errors in their Ideal Gas Law calculations. 
 
At this point winning the Super Bowl isn't enough. I want Belichick to exploit some minor loophole in article 4 section 3.2.97 of the rule book to find an uncoverable kickoff formation and Matthew Slater to score 7 touchdowns on onside kicks. I want them to win this game 125-0, make a public shaming of Goodell and whatever bitch owners are pulling the strings, and burn the whole fucking NFL front office to the ground.  I want Jim Harbaugh to whine about it so much in the off-season he gets his own show on the Oprah Winfrey network. Fuck the 31 other owners and their bitch Goodell, fuck ESPN, fuck media who doesn't understand basic knowledge taught in high school chemistry class, and to the Seahawks...actually you guys are pretty cool, but wrong place wrong time..so fuck you too.
 

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Actually that was one of the most rational things I have read all week.  Kudos and may it all come true just as you have wished.
 

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It's game day.  Someone should lock this fucker so we can all concentrate on the task at hand.  This fucking bullshit may resurface at some point but for today we should all refrain from any more discussion of this fabricated travishamockery of a scandal.
 

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I was hearing from some fans of teams not playing today (e.g., Packers fans, Viking fans, Denver fans) about how unengaged they are by this Super Bowl, despite acknowledging that it's a very close matchup of two top teams. I wonder if the media focus on the deflation "scandal" will wind up hurting ratings (albeit slightly, it's still the Super Bowl). It was a top story on the news for so long, but now that it's largely cooled off, the story lines that would have had more enduring traction (Brady's legacy, Wilson's continued rise, Pete Carroll against his old team, Legion of Boom against Gronk and this offense, etc.) never got the play they deserved and people have had the story thrust in their face for so long that they're tired of it. Probably any change in viewership would be an undetectable blip, but just something I noticed.
 

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HowBoutDemSox said:
I was hearing from some fans of teams not playing today (e.g., Packers fans, Viking fans, Denver fans) about how unengaged they are by this Super Bowl, despite acknowledging that it's a very close matchup of two top teams. I wonder if the media focus on the deflation "scandal" will wind up hurting ratings (albeit slightly, it's still the Super Bowl). It was a top story on the news for so long, but now that it's largely cooled off, the story lines that would have had more enduring traction (Brady's legacy, Wilson's continued rise, Pete Carroll against his old team, Legion of Boom against Gronk and this offense, etc.) never got the play they deserved and people have had the story thrust in their face for so long that they're tired of it. Probably any change in viewership would be an undetectable blip, but just something I noticed.
I'm not sure if the secondary ticket market correlates to ratings, but I believe this is now the most expensive Super Bowl ticket of all time. If the game is close in the 4th quarter I imagine it'll be the most watched SB of all time as well.
 

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I'm not sure if the secondary ticket market correlates to ratings, but I believe this is now the most expensive Super Bowl ticket of all time.
That was what was on the crawl on one of the news networks yesterday.
 
For reference:  reports were that midway thru the third quarter in the game vs the Colts,  the prices of aftermarket tickets either dropped 20% or were 20% below the historical cost on Championship Sunday (I saw both cited)
 

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JFC:

>> Eleven of the 12 footballs used in the first half were judged by the officials to be under the minimum of 12.5 PSI, but just one was two pounds under. Many of them were just a few ticks under the minimum.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000466783/article/more-details-on-the-investigation-of-patriots-deflated-footballs

>> Many of the footballs used in the AFC title game, which all have Walt Anderson's initials on them, were returned to circulation among the rest of the Patriots game-day footballs. Because Anderson was the referee for two other Patriots games this season, there are more than 30 footballs with his initials in the team's possession. It appears the league has the football D'Qwell Jackson intercepted and took to the sidelines to ultimately hand over to his equipment staff.
What did the Colts do to that football? Or maybe it was the ball used primarily in the game and lost pressure from the abuse. It also looks like this is an investigation into ONE football, which is the one the Colts handled. Many of the others were a few ticks under, what an embarrassment this is.
 

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And this too:
> Prior to the game, a game-day worker employed by the Patriots, a man described as elderly, took two bags of 12 footballs (one bag from each team) into the restroom near the referees' room in Gillette Stadium. The man was in the room for 98 seconds. When he exited the room, he took the balls to the field. There is video of the man entering and exiting the bathroom, but it's unclear if there is a clear shot inside the restroom.
 
 
I think it is new that the "ball attendant" is elderly. Of course he needed to piss before the game and an elderly man peeing in 98 seconds is damned fast.
 

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Byrdbrain said:
And this too:
> Prior to the game, a game-day worker employed by the Patriots, a man described as elderly, took two bags of 12 footballs (one bag from each team) into the restroom near the referees' room in Gillette Stadium. The man was in the room for 98 seconds. When he exited the room, he took the balls to the field. There is video of the man entering and exiting the bathroom, but it's unclear if there is a clear shot inside the restroom.
 
 
I think it is new that the "ball attendant" is elderly. Of course he needed to piss before the game and an elderly man peeing in 98 seconds is damned fast.
I love the continued desire to see some toilet porn by media members.
 

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WHAT A FREAKING FARCE.  
 
Most were a "few ticks" under.  That's what this whole thing is about?  Holy fucking smokes.
 

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I actually would like clarification on "a few ticks under". Who said that and what does it mean? I think both are equally important to discrediting a bunch of stuff here. And I like that the ball attendant is now being described as elderly. This can only favor The Pats. 98 seconds in not unreasonable especially if you consider time to wipe up the dribble.
 

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I actually would like clarification on "a few ticks under". Who said that and what does it mean? I think both are equally important to discrediting a bunch of stuff here. And I like that the ball attendant is now being described as elderly. This can only favor The Pats. 98 seconds in not unreasonable especially if you consider time to wipe up the dribble.
 
It probably took him 30 seconds to even start peeing.
 

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YTF said:
I actually would like clarification on "a few ticks under". Who said that and what does it mean? I think both are equally important to discrediting a bunch of stuff here. And I like that the ball attendant is now being described as elderly. This can only favor The Pats. 98 seconds in not unreasonable especially if you consider time to wipe up the dribble.
Seems clear to me that means a few tenths.
 

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This "scandal" has had exactly one effect on me. Before this, I was a pretty passive football fan. Mostly because I guess I believed the hype about those obnoxious pats fans. Those Brady worshipong, Bellichick apologizing nutjobs. It's intimidating, and I wasn't sure I really wanted to be a part of that.

Myth confirmed sometime around 2005 or so when those obnoxious pats fans started calling Tom Brady the best quarterback that ever lived after just a few years in the league. Then again when spygate came out and no one could admit they were cheaters from the top down.

Then, this deflate gate thing blows the fuck up and I can't help be be interested. Mostly because (and I blame sosh for this) I can't ignore rampant bullshit in the media.

So I dug in deeper, largely due to thoughts and links in this thread, and it didn't even take that long to see the obvious truth.

They didn't cheat here. Spygate WAS bullshit. And you guys were the first group of people to recognize that Tom Brady was going to end up being the greatest quarterback of all time. Pats fans were right about everything. Everything.

I'm damn proud to call myself a Patriots fan. Can't wait for the game.
We know what's what.
 

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Ed Hillel said:
JFC:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000466783/article/more-details-on-the-investigation-of-patriots-deflated-footballs


What did the Colts do to that football? Or maybe it was the ball used primarily in the game and lost pressure from the abuse. It also looks like this is an investigation into ONE football, which is the one the Colts handled. Many of the others were a few ticks under, what an embarrassment this is.
I think there's also an insinuation that they used balls that were previously approved by Anderson from other games.
 

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Nothing will happen to Mort because reporters apparently have no responsibility as long as they tack "because sources" onto the end of their cryptic tweets. Also no responsibility to publicly shame his biased source, as you would expect to happen in fucking civilized society where you pay a price for fucking up.
 

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I think there's also an insinuation that they used balls that were previously approved by Anderson from other games.
 
It didn't read that way to me. I think he was just saying that they didn't take those balls back to the league with them to check for signs of tampering, and if the league wanted to look at them again, it'd be impossible to figure out which ones they were. I believe he was pointing out that the intercepted football is the only one the league had any interest in confiscating.
 

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Byrdbrain said:
And this too:
> Prior to the game, a game-day worker employed by the Patriots, a man described as elderly, took two bags of 12 footballs (one bag from each team) into the restroom near the referees' room in Gillette Stadium. The man was in the room for 98 seconds. When he exited the room, he took the balls to the field. There is video of the man entering and exiting the bathroom, but it's unclear if there is a clear shot inside the restroom.
 
 
I think it is new that the "ball attendant" is elderly. Of course he needed to piss before the game and an elderly man peeing in 98 seconds is damned fast.
I just saw Rappaport on the NFL Network deliver this "report". Also said that the elderly attendant is only employed on Game Day. He also said that he spoke with someone who was with Tom Brady when he found out about the 90 second bathroom trip and the person said Brady seemed "confused and a little miffed". Rappaport also said:

- the ball that Indy picked was "about 2 pounds under"
- "several were about a pound under"
- "several more were just a tick below 12.5 psi".

Just disgraceful that Goodell allowed this investigation to continue once presented with the Ideal Gas Law.
 

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The NFL sat back and let this false report from Mort dominate the news and then, in their own fucking report, left it ambiguous and incendiary. Roger Goodell needs to be fired.
 

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Mort's "underinflated by 2 lbs. each" quote on 11 balls was on Jan 20--if incorrect, how could the league let it sit out there (with Mort assumed to have excellent sources) for 12 days, uncorrected? I'm stunned.
 

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lambeau said:
Mort's "underinflated by 2 lbs. each" quote on 11 balls was on Jan 20--if incorrect, how could the league let it sit out there (with Mort assumed to have excellent sources) for 12 days, uncorrected? I'm stunned.
I do not know why you are shocked. The NFL is beyond incompetent
 

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lambeau said:
Mort's "underinflated by 2 lbs. each" quote on 11 balls was on Jan 20--if incorrect, how could the league let it sit out there (with Mort assumed to have excellent sources) for 12 days, uncorrected? I'm stunned.
 
Because we're not going to speculate on an ongoing investigation.  Rather, we will disseminate - or allow - leaks to select reporters and leave them out there during the lead-up to the game, allowing a flagship franchise twist in the wind and get the shit beaten out of it by mediots from far and wide.
 

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The longer Goodell allows this to play out, the more likely it is he's going to have give Kraft that apology or risk losing his job.
 

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Those must be some fucking amazing footballs if the halftime psi can change after 2 weeks, no wonder the pats keep winning.  No way they nfl would ever speculate or leak incorrect info in the first place, they're above reproach.
 

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It's unlikely to be discovered, but there's a less than rational part of me that really hopes it's discovered that the Colts took the air out of the Jackson interception ball
 

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Rosey Ruzicka said:
Warning- Semi-Irrational rant to follow.
 
I have lurked on the various iterations of SOSH forums for over 10 years now and this is the first topic that pissed me off enough to actively participate in the conversation. A couple key facts about me first.,,I have spent most of my professional career leading an analytics group in the vaccine industry. Also, I grew up in New England, but have lived in NY, NJ, and PA for the past 20 years surrounded by Giants, Jets, and Eagles fans.
 
Based on these experiences I am probably a little oversensitive to a few things:
  • One or two moron scientists being either dishonest or stupid enough to confuse the public on proven facts
  • People trusting comments returned on Google search results over facts and logic
  • People trying to cherry pick data for their analyses to give them the conclusion they want 
  • People hating on Bill Fucking Belichick because he wins, and is two steps ahead of the 31 other NFL franchises on pretty much everything
The day they beat the Colts I thought to myself "win or lose in the superbowl I am happy with this season".  Then the Colts whined, the media smelled blood, and "deflategate" was born.  The NFL declared war on not only the NEP, but on logic and proven scientific facts as well. Things got surreal quickly, and soon I was staying up late at night writing emails to Neil Degrasse Tyson and Bill Nye explaining errors in their Ideal Gas Law calculations. 
 
At this point winning the Super Bowl isn't enough. I want Belichick to exploit some minor loophole in article 4 section 3.2.97 of the rule book to find an uncoverable kickoff formation and Matthew Slater to score 7 touchdowns on onside kicks. I want them to win this game 125-0, make a public shaming of Goodell and whatever bitch owners are pulling the strings, and burn the whole fucking NFL front office to the ground.  I want Jim Harbaugh to whine about it so much in the off-season he gets his own show on the Oprah Winfrey network. Fuck the 31 other owners and their bitch Goodell, fuck ESPN, fuck media who doesn't understand basic knowledge taught in high school chemistry class, and to the Seahawks...actually you guys are pretty cool, but wrong place wrong time..so fuck you too.
 
You just earned yourself the membership that this guy should have been awarded years ago.
 

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Byrdbrain said:
And this too:
> Prior to the game, a game-day worker employed by the Patriots, a man described as elderly, took two bags of 12 footballs (one bag from each team) into the restroom near the referees' room in Gillette Stadium. The man was in the room for 98 seconds. When he exited the room, he took the balls to the field. There is video of the man entering and exiting the bathroom, but it's unclear if there is a clear shot inside the restroom.
 
 
I think it is new that the "ball attendant" is elderly. Of course he needed to piss before the game and an elderly man peeing in 98 seconds is damned fast.
 
 
Folks, I refer you back to post 10241:
 
 

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Everyone keeps saying kid, what if the attendant is a older guy with an enlarged prostate? The NFL might yet stumble into an ADA violation.

 
 

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Mort's "underinflated by 2 lbs. each" quote on 11 balls was on Jan 20--if incorrect, how could the league let it sit out there (with Mort assumed to have excellent sources) for 12 days, uncorrected? I'm stunned.
If I'm Robert Kraft I go full nuclear at this point. Goodell let the Patriots twist in the wind and get dragged through the mud for two weeks, and the whole time he knew that only one of the 12 balls even POTENTIALLY violated the laws of physics, and that ball was handled by the Colts who lobbed the complaint? He has no fucking duty to investigate every single bullshit claim that is brought to his attention. And the fact that Roger doesn't even understand this is indication enough of how unqualified he is for the job.

It just amazes me that Goodell sat idly by and watched while entire lifetimes of work for a HOF owner, Coach and QB were discredited in a barrage of falsely reported facts. On top of that, he allowed one of the teams in the Superbowl to be significantly disadvantaged by having a huge distraction during the most important week of prep time in the careers of Brady and Belichik. As a Pats fan, who invests a lot of time, energy and money into the team, I feel like I've been robbed here. At best they win the game and I've got to listen to claims of cheating and a tainted legacy for the rest of my life.

Yet another shameful job on behalf of the media and the NFL, particularly Goodell. If this isn't a fireable offense for a Commissioner I don't know what is.
 

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Kraft should make clear he understands why Goodell looked into the matter, but just hammer him over how it was handled.
 

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E5 Yaz said:
It's unlikely to be discovered, but there's a less than rational part of me that really hopes it's discovered that the Colts took the air out of the Jackson interception ball
Well, the evidence we have is that the Colts balls were >12.5 at halftime which is scientifically curious unless they were overinflated at some point or purposely chilled prior to pre-game testing, and that the Patriots ball that made it to the Indianapolis sideline was at a lower psi than other Patriots balls.  So, yes, there is circumstantial evidence of tampering by the Colts.