#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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When does the discussion turn to "What will the punishment for the Colts be?" Assuming the Pats are fully exonerated, which I expect at this point, and assuming the leaks and tips came from the Colts (less sure, but probable), I would expect a fine against the Colts. The NFL can't let teams throw around wild, unsubstantiated accusations with impunity.
Why don't these geniuses just repeat what BB and the staff did last week with a few dozen footballs as an experiment? Why is that such a difficult thing for people to understand?Ed Hillel said:
Felger is so tough, so honorable, and oozing such integrity. He's not spouting the company line for the man, no sir......... What's depressing and mind-boggling is that kind of moronic, grand-standing horeshit has such a substantial audience in what is supposed to be great, smart, sports town.
Then those people obviously got what they (and their children, for that matter) deserve, an intellectually lazy and dishonest SOB.Ed Hillel said:
Best part is, in this situation, with what's been revealed so far, the Pats don't NEED the benefit of the doubt. Everything so far supports their position. If you're going to claim that you don't believe Brady and Belichick, don't preface it by saying it's because you're not going to give them the benefit of the doubt, preface it by saying it's because you're going to disregard logic, common sense, and basically everything else that undermines the position that you're determined to take.CantKeepmedown said:
Ed Hillel said:
His own video suggests they spend a lot more time on the kicking balls than each team's dozen.
westneat said:
OK, I don't know if anyone has posted the full calculation NDG should have made, so here goes.
We are using the Ideal Gas Law.
PV = nRT
Assumptions:
1. n is constant under these conditions. There are the same number of gas molecules just increasing the temperature to increase the pressure.
2. V is constant under these conditions. I know there is a very slight increase in volume when going from 11.5 psi to 12.5 psi, but I am assuming the same volume for simplicity sake.
So
P(1)V = nRT(1)
P(1)/T(1) = nR/V (constant)
P(2)V = nRT(2)
P(2)/T(2) = nR/V (same constant)
P(1)/T(1) = P(2)/T(2)
Using Guage Pressures and 2psi difference for footballs measured at STP (1 atmosphere, 68F)
P(1) = 10.5 psi
P(2) = 12.5 psi
T2(2) = 68F, 20C, 293K (room temperature)
10.5/T(1) = 12.5/293
T(1) = 12.5 x 293 / 10.5
T(1) = 348.8 K, 75.8 C, 168.4 F = WAY TOO HOT
Using Absolute Pressures and 2psi difference for footballs measured at STP (1 atmosphere, 68F)
P(1) = 10.5 + 14.7 = 25.2 psi
P(2) = 12.5 + 14.7 = 27.2 psi
T2(2) = 68F, 20C, 293K (room temperature)
25.2/T(1) = 27.2/293
T(1) = 27.2 x 293 / 25.2
T(1) = 316 K, 43 C, 109 F = STILL HOT, but below NDG value
So, I do not know where NDG gets 125 F from a 2psi (~15% change). Unless I made an error, NDG just screwed up the calculation without necessarily using the guage pressure.
westneat said:
Notice the shout out in that article to soshcentral (http://soshcentral.com/football-science/football-statistics/2015/01/27/fumbling-data-truth-patriots-fumble-rate/)?
I can't believe I missed that. I'm going to go masturbate with a piece of liver.SumnerH said:
Calling 2psi a 15% change is itself making a gauge pressure error. 2 is 16% of 12.5, but that's a junk calculation.MalzoneExpress said:
2 PSI is about 7.4% of the actual pressure in a 12.5 PSIg ball: 12.5 PSIg + ~14.7 PSI atmospheric ~= 27.2 PSIa. 2/27.2 ~= 0.0735.
Borges asked Brady in the most condescending way possible how he couldn't notice a 15% difference in air pressure when the DB of the Colts noticed it (and baseball players notice differences in their bats, blah blah). So it was actually a maximum 7% difference noticed by the equipment guy. Not that I needed more proof Borges is a disingenuous idiot.SumnerH said:
It's an away game, Packers attendant would have managed the equipment. It was also 25 degrees colder than the AFCCG.Ed Hillel said:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KGRB/2014/11/30/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Green+Bay&req_state=WI&req_statename=Wisconsin
Now let's do the calculations using a 1 psi pressure drop
We are using the Ideal Gas Law.
PV = nRT
Assumptions:
1. n is constant under these conditions. There are the same number of gas molecules just increasing the temperature to increase the pressure.
2. V is constant under these conditions. I know there is a very slight increase in volume when going from 11.5 psi to 12.5 psi, but I am assuming the same volume for simplicity sake.
So
P(1)V = nRT(1)
P(1)/T(1) = nR/V (constant)
P(2)V = nRT(2)
P(2)/T(2) = nR/V (same constant)
P(1)/T(1) = P(2)/T(2)
Using Guage Pressures and 1psi difference for footballs measured at STP (1 atmosphere, 68F)
P(1) = 11.5 psi
P(2) = 12.5 psi
T2(2) = 68F, 20C, 293K (room temperature)
11.5/T(1) = 12.5/293
T(1) = 12.5 x 293 / 11.5
T(1) = 318.5 K, 45.4 C, 113.7 F - HOT, but still below NDG
Using Absolute Pressures and 1psi difference for footballs measured at STP (1 atmosphere, 68F)
P(1) = 11.5 + 14.7 = 26.2 psi
P(2) = 12.5 + 14.7 = 27.2 psi
T2(2) = 68F, 20C, 293K (room temperature)
26.2/T(1) = 27.2/293
T(1) = 27.2 x 293 / 26.2
T(1) = 304 K, 31 C, 88 F - PERFECTLY RWASONABLE TEMP INCREASE FROM RUBBING
We are using the Ideal Gas Law.
PV = nRT
Assumptions:
1. n is constant under these conditions. There are the same number of gas molecules just increasing the temperature to increase the pressure.
2. V is constant under these conditions. I know there is a very slight increase in volume when going from 11.5 psi to 12.5 psi, but I am assuming the same volume for simplicity sake.
So
P(1)V = nRT(1)
P(1)/T(1) = nR/V (constant)
P(2)V = nRT(2)
P(2)/T(2) = nR/V (same constant)
P(1)/T(1) = P(2)/T(2)
Using Guage Pressures and 1psi difference for footballs measured at STP (1 atmosphere, 68F)
P(1) = 11.5 psi
P(2) = 12.5 psi
T2(2) = 68F, 20C, 293K (room temperature)
11.5/T(1) = 12.5/293
T(1) = 12.5 x 293 / 11.5
T(1) = 318.5 K, 45.4 C, 113.7 F - HOT, but still below NDG
Using Absolute Pressures and 1psi difference for footballs measured at STP (1 atmosphere, 68F)
P(1) = 11.5 + 14.7 = 26.2 psi
P(2) = 12.5 + 14.7 = 27.2 psi
T2(2) = 68F, 20C, 293K (room temperature)
26.2/T(1) = 27.2/293
T(1) = 27.2 x 293 / 26.2
T(1) = 304 K, 31 C, 88 F - PERFECTLY RWASONABLE TEMP INCREASE FROM RUBBING
@SiriusXMNFL: .@JayGlazer: All I reported was fact this is the guy [NFL] zeroed in on & this is what he did. Don't know if they have anything else there
Mazz isn't even remotely close to a journalist at this point. He has no sources. Certainly not NFL sources.
SumnerH said:
I agree. I was only using NDG's Tweet for that value. I know it was faulty like the rest of his calculation.
I don't know why you are doing this to yourselves after 9 days of this nonsense.
If I'm Kraft, I move the broadcast rights after expiration of the current agreement. When F & M then get all butt hurt and provide low comedy by wrapping themselves in the 1st Amendment, I'd then laugh. Then I would make the common sense point that I have no interest in ties with cynical, dishonest people who tarnish my brand.
If I'm Kraft, I move the broadcast rights after expiration of the current agreement. When F & M then get all butt hurt and provide low comedy by wrapping themselves in the 1st Amendment, I'd then laugh. Then I would make the common sense point that I have no interest in ties with cynical, dishonest people who tarnish my brand.
Lance, Barry, and A-Rod come to the Patriots' aid.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/lance-armstrong-barry-bonds-arod-spring-to-patriot,37866/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/lance-armstrong-barry-bonds-arod-spring-to-patriot,37866/
98.5 is part of CBS radio. Given Kraft's relationship with CBS there is no way they're moving the broadcast rights.dcmissle said:
I know we don't want to go down the rabbit hole, and obviously this guy is biased, but he is also fairly well-respected from what I can tell:
https://twitter.com/PatriotsSB49/status/560193573917061120
Imagine if the Pats have tape of this and are just letting the NFL do its thing.
https://twitter.com/PatriotsSB49/status/560193573917061120
Imagine if the Pats have tape of this and are just letting the NFL do its thing.
I doubt Borges was actually being disingenuous about this particular piece of misinformation--he was probably legitimately ignorant.snowmanny said:
Well, that should put to rest permanently the theory that Bedard was moving up in the world when he left the Globe.CantKeepmedown said:
kartvelo said:
Oh, I know what he's getting at, I just think it would be hilarious if one of the "problem games" was with an opponent who admitted to trying to game the very same rule.
BTW, Around the Horn is on (silent but close-captioned, thank God, or I might have had an aneurysm) on a TV where I'm sitting right now and J.A. Adande just said the "analysis" about the Patriots never fumbling might actually be the strongest evidence against them. I'm pretty sure he meant it as a compliment.
Ed Hillel said:
It's hard for me to believe it.
But I've never wanted something to be true as badly as this.
NGT retraction (kinda): https://www.facebook.com/notes/neil-degrasse-tyson/deflategate/10153074004496613
rodderick said:
I'd love it to mean more, but it just may be his a) looking at the INT ball when the Colts complained and/or b) squeezing the Colts balls for quick comparison.