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DeVante Parker RELEASED
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Ugh, not sure I get this one. He’s fine, I guess, also 30, unclear why they felt the urge to do this. (Edit- Clearing cap space would explain it!)
FWIW, a number of people on twitter (I know, I know) are saying it clears 3.7M in cap space. Have no idea how accurate that is, so stay tuned.
For example . . .
View: https://twitter.com/_MLFootball/status/1674185798487343105
AND
View: https://twitter.com/BThomps81/status/1674184714851057665
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Yeah, best guess is that this is really just adding 2024 and he becomes relatively easy to cut after 2024 with cap moved from 2023 to 2025/dead money. He probably gets a bit of a bump on the $6.2 million he was going to make this year, a guaranteed 2024 for about $8 million, and then a dead cap if cut in 2025 about equal to the cap savings they achieve in 2023 and 2024.
tl;dr -- it probably is about $8 million for 2024 and some modest cap savings this year. That's my prediction anyway.
Freees up cap.
Cutting KB would free up 5 more.
Mathematically this makes things much easier (especially if they have a crazy pipe dream of Cook AND Hopkins)...but i dont know how much football sense it makes to have both Parker and Hopkins on the field together.
Cutting KB would free up 5 more.
Mathematically this makes things much easier (especially if they have a crazy pipe dream of Cook AND Hopkins)...but i dont know how much football sense it makes to have both Parker and Hopkins on the field together.
Miguel says that they are (not including this move) still about $2 million short of cap space they will need just to get through the season at their usual pace -- he says they traditionally use up about $16.5 million during the year. So, looks like they'd still have a good amount of work to do to sign Hopkins to anything but a multi-year trick backloaded deal.
So 14 million in guarantees AND roster bonuses.... that's not much.
He was on 6.2M this year, assume that all becomes fully guaranteed in this deal (but some of it is signing), then of the other 7.8, some of it is signing bonus and some is roster bonuses that he may or may not earn.
Seems like a nice move to clear space on the Patriots part and Parker gets a few guarantees and doesn't get cut this year.
He was on 6.2M this year, assume that all becomes fully guaranteed in this deal (but some of it is signing), then of the other 7.8, some of it is signing bonus and some is roster bonuses that he may or may not earn.
Seems like a nice move to clear space on the Patriots part and Parker gets a few guarantees and doesn't get cut this year.
I doubt they're really going to try to add both Hopkins and Cook, but if somehow they were able to do that, suddenly the skill position talent in Foxboro would be, dare I say, elite?
RB: Cook, Stevenson, backups
WR: Hopkins, Parker, Bourne, JuJu, etc.
TE: Henry, Gesicki
Pass catchers all over the place. Two awesome running backs. No excuse for Mac.
Now watch...they won't get either Hopkins OR Cook. LOL
RB: Cook, Stevenson, backups
WR: Hopkins, Parker, Bourne, JuJu, etc.
TE: Henry, Gesicki
Pass catchers all over the place. Two awesome running backs. No excuse for Mac.
Now watch...they won't get either Hopkins OR Cook. LOL
Reiss:
“As part of the new contract, Parker's base salary for 2023 is expected to come in lower than $5.7 million, according to a source familiar with the deal. But he will have an opportunity to match the $5.7 million if he hits all per-game roster bonuses and can exceed the $5.7 million if he reaches incentives for performance and honors.”
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37930306/source-patriots-reach-new-3-year-deal-wr-devante-parker
“As part of the new contract, Parker's base salary for 2023 is expected to come in lower than $5.7 million, according to a source familiar with the deal. But he will have an opportunity to match the $5.7 million if he hits all per-game roster bonuses and can exceed the $5.7 million if he reaches incentives for performance and honors.”
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37930306/source-patriots-reach-new-3-year-deal-wr-devante-parker
View: https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1674182680261410817
Have to admit I was higher than most on Parker last year, thought most of his "Struggles" came from bad offense/QB play, but even I was surprised by some of this.
He can't really separate, but man can he make contested catches
Have to admit I was higher than most on Parker last year, thought most of his "Struggles" came from bad offense/QB play, but even I was surprised by some of this.
He can't really separate, but man can he make contested catches
I wouldn’t say “elite“ depending on how one defines that. Is that even a top 10 WR or TE room? Even still, though, “if” seems like a pretty big word here. Getting 0 of Cook / Hop seems more likely than getting even 1, never mind both, right?
It's a weird question, because are any of those groups elite... maybe RBs? However.... how many teams have that kind of balance
Yeah, perhaps. Can the Pats add Cook and Hopkins and keep the rest of those guys, though?
Very strange player. He’s kind of like what N’Keal Harry was supposed to be:
View: https://twitter.com/sharpfootball/status/1674196020975087617?s=42&t=-Ai-mpXJJ05V-SE-SPRBGA
Yeah they can. Cook can be what Damien Harris was last year plus play in more passing situations. Strong/KHarris are still question marks.
Hopkins/Juju/Parker can be your 3 guys if they go 11 personnel with Thortnon/Bourne subbing in.
At todays prices, it’s WR2 money on a short deal. I don’t think it’s much to get excited about either way as it shouldn’t hurt the team if they need to move on and if Parker provides solid production it’ll look good by the end of the deal. B/B+
This is why the single outlier year he had with 1200 yards was with Fitz. Parker doesn’t get open, but he’s so good at contested balls down the sideline, it doesn’t matter.
A bit of a one trick pony in that regard, but it’s a nice club to pull out of the bag every so often. Chuck up a yolo ball and pick up 25 yards.
I wouldn't be sure that Cook is very good anymore. Advanced stats hated him last year and he has a lot of miles. Generally you want to avoid running backs who are 28 and have been starters for multiple years.
I’d take Cook on a 1 year deal at modest money. But don’t think Belichick wants to deal with an aging star with declining skills and a big ego. Of course, we’re looking at Hopkins so who knows. If they truly did want to be a package deal, I would be ok with some Cook waste to land Hopkins.
Cook will be 28. He's not some ancient guy. I wouldn't want him long-term, but for 2023 he should still be pretty fantastic. He's still got home run potential every time he touches the ball, something that Rhamondre doesn't really have.
Hopkins is the guy I want though. I think he's still really good and would be a massive upgrade. I just think a RB room with Rhamondre, KHarris, Strong, and Cook is better than a RB room without Cook. He's still a legit, proven weapon.
Hopkins is the guy I want though. I think he's still really good and would be a massive upgrade. I just think a RB room with Rhamondre, KHarris, Strong, and Cook is better than a RB room without Cook. He's still a legit, proven weapon.
Measuring WR by average depth of target doesn't make a lot of sense. Here are the top 10 WR from last year by ADOT (min 400 snaps):
Justin Watson
Parker
DJ Chark
Van Jefferson
Gabe Davis
Chris Olave
George Pickens
Christian Watson
MVS
Corey Davis
There's two guys on that list that you could argue were elite receivers last year: Olave and Christian Watson. They're also the only two on that list that managed to be above 25% on targets per route run (Olave 28.1%, Watson 25.9%). They were actually the only ones above 20% for that matter. Olave and Watson not only have the ability to command targets downfield, but are actually open when they do so. Parker was at 11.9% TPRR, and was the lowest by that metric of the top 10. He doesn't get open. He's a guy that wins "in a phone booth". That's a great trait to have, but I would rather have WR that actually get open, and preferably on the other side of 30.
28 is definitely old for an RB, and Stevenson had 7 runs of 20+ yards last year while Cook had just 5. I guess Cook had 3 of 40+ yards while Stevenson had 1. Cook has more breakaway speed but lots of guys do and it doesn't matter if you can't get into the secondary. Every year there are multiple RBs who come out of nowhere and have big years, that could easily be Harris or someone they pick up later. I see zero reason to spend for Cook especially since multiple teams seem to be interested so he won't be cheap.
https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/rushing/2022/reg/all/rushing20plusyardseach/desc
Is the 20+ stat really that big of a deal? Even the league leader in Chubb only had 13 so we're not even talking 1 per game. Chunk plays are nice but as long as Dalvin is not having a ton of 1-2 yarders, I think he can provide some value. But, to your point, he has multiple suitors and is probably looking for the most $$$ he can get (and I don't blame him - he should be doing this). And that almost certainly wouldn't be from NE.
Yes, he’s the classic “at the right price, without a long commitment, could be a valuable addition “ guy. But as you point out, he’s likely going to get paid(and good for him). Running backs can fall off the cliff so quickly, I don’t think anything beyond a very low risk/high possible reward deal is worth extending to a 28 year old. Better to focus meaningful resources on D’Hop, and maybe add depth to the RB room with a camp cut.
I'd go a little extra for Cook if it would materially help our chances at landing DHop because I really want him. But, in reality, the two of them are going to look for their best individual offers no matter how much they would like playing together. But if you added DHop, JuJu, and Cook to an offense that already had Rham, well, I'd be pretty fired up about the offense.
Terms of the deal, clears over $2M in cap space this year.
View: https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1676973864734150658?s=20
Miguel has the details beyond for 2023 and beyond.
View: https://twitter.com/patscap/status/1676982340055191552?s=20
View: https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1676973864734150658?s=20
Miguel has the details beyond for 2023 and beyond.
View: https://twitter.com/patscap/status/1676982340055191552?s=20
How the heck has he managed to catch 64 passes at 62.7% catch rate, for an average of 14.6 yards per reception (the past two seasons), with basically zero separation, and Mac and Zappe throwing him the ball?
I'm looking at that like Ron Burgundy looked at his dog.
"You ate the whole wheel of cheese? I'm not even angry. That's amazing."
I'm looking at that like Ron Burgundy looked at his dog.
"You ate the whole wheel of cheese? I'm not even angry. That's amazing."
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he's the poor man's version of some of the stars that are also down there.... he's actually got great hands and is really good at contested catches. Pickens is usually right next to Parker, Jamar Chase was 119th out of 127 in 2021....
THis year these guys were all bottom 10.... Hopkins, RIdley, Cooper, London, Pickens, then between 10 and 15th worst you get Mike Evans and Tee Higgins.
Basically anyone who gets a lot of deep boundary targets is getting low separation numbers.
It's classic Warren Sharp honestly... he takes a stat pretends it's important without context and then gets obsessed. Separation is whatever, it can have value, it's a skill. Parker isn't a #1 WR because of things that have little to do with his separation. If he got separation... sure he'd be better, he'd also be a different type of WR, but if he didn;t get separation but played like Mike Evans... nobody would care.
Look, the closer Parker's defender is to him, the more room it leaves on the rest of the field for other receivers to get open.
Also makes me wonder if those guys with bottom 10 rankings are the guys who opposing defenses tend to blanket with their best man-cover CBs.
Sorry for the heart attack guys! Wasn't intentional - just thought I'd update that crazy stat with 2023 info.
