DeBrusk requested a trade over the weekend.
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That's not a bad idea though I still wish they had gotten a heavily subsidized Duchene.1-for-1 with Dylan Strome? Both seem like they could use a new environmenbt.
Cassidy is full of it. He's been absolutely fine the last couple of games while getting no help on his line and he's benched anyway.Cassidy has been clear on what DeBrusk could and should be doing but isn’t: “I’d like to see him impact the game with his footspeed every night, in some way, shape or form — whether it’s forecheck, attacking the net, penalty kill, whatever the case may be. That’s where we’re at, and we’re seeing that drop-off again. So it’s a reminder, ‘Hey, bring us the effort — whether production happens — but we need that.’”
DeBrusk has rarely been interested in playing defense. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him start to score again on a team that requires less defensive responsibility from its forwards.
I’m guessing the Bruins trade him out of the conference.
That's not quite true. Strome was 20/37/57 in 78 games in 18-19 and 12/26/38 in 58 games in 19-20. He's been on the same decline as Jake since then.The problem with Strome is that he doesn’t even have ONE good season to look for hope in. DeBrusk at least has the one year of 27 goals scored.
Personally, if getting rid of DeBrusk is inevitable - I don't have faith in this coaching staff or this FO to evaluate a talent in a similar situation that they can develop/fix.
I'd rather take a pick or a prospect with hope they turn into something than them trying to fix something that's broken.
I guess I mean in terms of what the Bruins would need from a trade.That's not quite true. Strome was 20/37/57 in 78 games in 18-19 and 12/26/38 in 58 games in 19-20. He's been on the same decline as Jake since then.
Or why are they not looking at the coach, and wondering why guys are tuning him out.Why are they acceding to his request/not stringing this out in the hopes Cassidy and DeBrusk figure it out?
What evidence is there of multiple guys tuning him out outside of DeBrusk? I haven't liked DeBrusk for a few seasons so happy to see him gone though don't love the asset management side of the equation.Or why are they not looking at the coach, and wondering why guys are tuning him out.
i like Cassidy and think he’s a pretty smart coach but he’s horrible at developing talent at the nhl level. It’s hard to say if that’s on him because the players he’s buried haven’t really amounted to much elsewhere but chicken/egg etc.What evidence is there of multiple guys tuning him out outside of DeBrusk? I haven't liked DeBrusk for a few seasons so happy to see him gone though don't love the asset management side of the equation.
Unless they call someone up, or play 11F 7D (Clifton), DeBrusk has to play tonight. They are currently carrying 14F on the roster. Blidh is injured and won't play and Marchand is suspended. Haula will go back in, and presumably DeBrusk as well. If DeBrusk is held out then I think he's played his last game for the Bruins and a trade is very close.what will be an interesting follow, is I assumed Debrusk would just be a healthy scratch until the move him. However with Marchie suspended for 3 games, I think Butch needs to put Debrusk in. then again he may be dead and buried to Butch and he still sits. Would be quite a story if he got back in and got hot.
This is too extreme a view. A coach who can develop talent will, over the long haul, win more games than one who cannot. A coach who ONLY wants to develop talent is going to be a problem on any team that doesn't already suck.Honestly it’s not Cassidy’s job to develop talent at the NHL level. It’s to win hockey games right now. If the talent he’s given isn’t capable of helping him do rhat, it’s on the GM/organization. I think it’s pretty clear that if the talent is NHL ready, he’ll play them. I do have quibble on the margins with how he plays some guys (namely Studnicka), but he also has stuck with younger guys until they play themselves out of the lineup. Zboril is a good example of that right now, Clifton a couple years ago, etc.
It’s not like Ryan Donato or Peter Cehlarik or whomever have gone on to productive careers.
I disagree with this though. Player development does land on the head coach because it leads to winning and long term success. There is an NHL learning curve. It would be great it every player stepped on the ice and was Charlie McAvoy but there's a reason guys like him and Pasta make the big bucks. It's absolutely imperative to long term success that the middle 6 has some productive mid level ELC players on it and its the head coaches job to integrate players into the lineup in a way that bears fruit for the team. You can argue that the players just weren't good and that might be true. There aren't a lot of NHL superstars out there that he buried but there are some players that showed promise that he jerked around and could have hampered their long term development.Honestly it’s not Cassidy’s job to develop talent at the NHL level. It’s to win hockey games right now. If the talent he’s given isn’t capable of helping him do rhat, it’s on the GM/organization. I think it’s pretty clear that if the talent is NHL ready, he’ll play them. I do have quibble on the margins with how he plays some guys (namely Studnicka), but he also has stuck with younger guys until they play themselves out of the lineup. Zboril is a good example of that right now, Clifton a couple years ago, etc.
It’s not like Ryan Donato or Peter Cehlarik or whomever have gone on to productive careers.
Yeah we just disagree here. It's not Cassidy's job to win games 4 years from now. It's to win them now. He's not coaching the Coyotes, if he misses the playoffs he's likely out of a job.Player development does land on the head coach because it leads to winning and long term success. There is an NHL learning curve. It would be great it every player stepped on the ice and was Charlie McAvoy but there's a reason guys like him and Pasta make the big bucks.
Who said that? I also agree he's not, but I'm not seeing that argument here.For what it's worth, I think the benching Sunday night came after the trade request, not before.
I would quibble that DeBrusk "did x,y,z" as well. Horrific effort on that Panarin goal, and the "x" in "x,y,z" is almost certainly "give some effort without the puck".
I think there's some shared blame here, but the idea that JDB is a top 6 winger just being held back by mean old Butch is just...not true.
I'd agree with your first point if the alternative to playing and developing a young player was detrimental to the team but Cassidy's default is almost always to put in a guy like this:Yeah we just disagree here. It's not Cassidy's job to win games 4 years from now. It's to win them now. He's not coaching the Coyotes, if he misses the playoffs he's likely out of a job.
You can certainly make an argument that Studnicka gives them a better chance of winning games this year than say Haula, that's a reasonable debate. But implying he needs to play Studnicka to develop him for the benefit of the 2024 Bruins is just laughable. He's played plenty of young guys if they give them the best chance to win (beyond the obvious). Carlo, Grz, Clifton, Lauzon, and now Zboril have all gotten very fair shots to stick on D. Some have, some haven't, some are still TBD. On forward, he's played Kuhlman in playoff SCF games and gotten some production value out of a guy who is a borderline NHLer. But he's not gonna trot out the Providence B's as a bottom 6 to start the season if management signs guys like Nosek, Foligno, and Haula and demands a deep playoff run. It's delusional to think otherwise.
Taking a guy like Heinen as an example on the flip side - Cassidy took a low ceiling 4th round pick, got 2+ productive seasons for him and boosted his value, then the front office traded him away and he's done little since. Maybe Cassidy squeezed every drop of production out of him possible, instead of assuming he was by default a top 6 NHLer that was ruined by not playing with 2 HOFers every night.
I blame like 90% of the lack of development on the organization itself (scouting, drafting, development) and like 10% tops on Cassidy.
This is why its frustrating as a fan.FWIW, Jake's 5th on the team in points per 60 and goals per 60 among forwards with 200 minutes at 5x5. He's producing more than Taylor Hall at even strength. On the defensive side of the puck, Jake is the 4th best forward in scoring chances against per 60 and 5th best at high danger chances against per 60. He also gets the 4th fewest Ozone starts on the team behind essentially the 4th line. His PDO is a tad low, .979. His overall production is down from his hey-day and even from two years ago before this downward spiral began, but compared to some of the other players he's out there with, he's been between fine and good. You can see why he's frustrated that his mistakes put him in the press box while other playes seem to get more leash.
He also hasn't sniffed a PP this year which impacts his counting numbers and has been decent in limited exposure on the PK.
The only thing that would have potentially swayed Buffalo would be if the Bruins moved to the western conference.Had we included Debrusk in a package, would that have potentially swayed Buffalo in an Eichel trade?
I don't think that really makes sense for the Bruins. Like it or not, they made their LHD bed when they signed Forbort and re-signed Reilly. Those are the guys unless a stud falls into their lap. Zadorov isn't it.Would Calgary be interested in something around DeBrusk for Nikita Zadorov? He’s a pending UFA that has been linked to the Bruins in past rumors.