Not great, Bob.Starting center David Andrews has been hospitalized with blood clots in his lungs, and his season is in jeopardy, according to sources. The expectation is that he’ll miss a significant amount of time.
We’re lucky to have Karras who should be experienced within the system. You look at other franchises and the Pats and you can really appreciate how much they have drafted and developed guys on the OL over the years. Andrews did a lot on the line. When you go from a pro-Bowl caliber center to anyone though you’d expect a bit of a drop off.His disappearance without any explanation/apparent injury and then Dante’s comment made me uneasy, and I hate seeing that paid off.
Hope he gets well.
In other words, the risk is going from Andrews to Bledsoe in the course of a game.
He's going to be out for the season. It takes months for the treatments to take hold.In other words, the risk is going from Andrews to Bledsoe in the course of a game.
It’s hard to envision even considering playing until you are off the clot related meds.
Who could be had for any of the surplus we’re going to be able to deal as we cut down because our roster is so stacked?Any centers on the bubble due to cap issues?
Alex Mack from Atlanta? Base salary of $8.5 million. They have an experienced backup in Wes Schweitzer who can slide in at center.Who could be had for any of the surplus we’re going to be able to deal as we cut down because our roster is so stacked?
This sport is chock full of sudden, head spinning turns.
Yup.It’s hard to envision even considering playing until you are off the clot related meds.
Would he be able to lift/run/practice in the interim?If his clot is determined to have been provoked by surgery (or some other transient risk factor) he could get away with three months of anticoagulation and then potentially return at some point soon after.
Barring any significant damage to his heart (right heart changes as noted above - and technically you actually do not need large chunks of clot to have that occur), he could certainly run and lift. I’m sure the team would hold him out of full contact work just to be safe.Would he be able to lift/run/practice in the interim?
Was glad to at least recognize the name of the guy who will now be tasked with getting TB12 the ball. Familiarity/continuity so crucial on the OL, especially up the middle where it's tougher for Brady to dodge pressure.We’re lucky to have Karras who should be experienced within the system. You look at other franchises and the Pats and you can really appreciate how much they have drafted and developed guys on the OL over the years. Andrews did a lot on the line. When you go from a pro-Bowl caliber center to anyone though you’d expect a bit of a drop off.
As regards the underlined - is that what Serena Williams ran into? I was going to ask where that got classified, but I guess that's the first leg of your stated triad, it just had an acute cause rather than being genetic.Smaller order clots are treated with anticoagulation for 6-12 months. Obviously, he can't play football whilst on anticoagulation. Season is over. More importantly, his medical team will have to understand WHY he developed a PE. They are caused by three things in general (Virchow's Triad, for those who care): Hypercoagulability - blood too thick, can be congenital. Hemodynamic changes (stasis - like a cast/long car trip/plane ride, trauma). Endothelial injury/dysfunction - self explanatory.
If there is a clear and episodic cause..i.e. he had an injury, surgery, etc. that temporarily predisposed him to developing a clot/PE then he should be able to resume playing. If there is a clotting disorder such as Factor V Leiden, or a Protein S, Protein C deficiency, he'll have to stay on anticoagulation for life.
Sucks. Hope he's better soon. If he's not in the ICU, he's gonna be OK generally speaking. With the caveat that this PE doesn't emanate from a metabolic issue known to cause a hypercoagulable state...i.e pregnancy (doubtful), cancer, etc.
Not a chance in hell. A hard hit would cause internal bleeding.It’s hard to envision even considering playing until you are off the clot related meds.
1) They were amazed that I didn't have any right ventricular problems. Although I was (still am) overweight, my heart was in good shape, so it was able to handle the strain. Andrews, as a highly conditioned athlete, would have an advantage here, I would think.Actually, while these can be serious, even fatal - many pulmonary emboli (PE) are easily treated with anti-coagulation. 1) As long as there is not right sided heart strain, patients usually have no long-term sequelae. As a clot travels (embolizes - usually from the lower half of the body) it gets stuck in the ever decreasing caliber blood vessels that carry blood/oxygen to the lungs. 2) Sometimes this clot can sit atop the pulmonary artery bifurcation (the dreaded saddle embolism). If you get one of these, you are essentially dead where you stand. More commonly, the clot tumbles further into the pulmonary circulatory system until it wedges into a smaller vessel. Once lodged, the downstream section of lung is deprived of blood, oxygen and essential nutrients. Patients often report shortness of breath, chest pain and tachycardia (rapid heart rate). Fainting sometimes occurs as well. Many patients throw sub-clinical clots and they are never diagnosed (we find them at autopsy).
Smaller order clots are treated with anticoagulation for 6-12 months. Obviously, he can't play football whilst on anticoagulation. Season is over. More importantly, his medical team will have to understand WHY he developed a PE. They are caused by three things in general (Virchow's Triad, for those who care): 3) Hypercoagulability - blood too thick, can be congenital. Hemodynamic changes (stasis - like a cast/long car trip/plane ride, trauma). Endothelial injury/dysfunction - self explanatory.
If there is a clear and episodic cause..i.e. he had an injury, surgery, etc. that temporarily predisposed him to developing a clot/PE then he should be able to resume playing. 4) If there is a clotting disorder such as Factor V Leiden, or a Protein S, Protein C deficiency, he'll have to stay on anticoagulation for life.
Sucks. Hope he's better soon. If he's not in the ICU, he's gonna be OK generally speaking. With the caveat that this PE doesn't emanate from a metabolic issue known to cause a hypercoagulable state...i.e pregnancy (doubtful), cancer, etc.
I thought I remember Bedard commenting that Ferentz looked all right at C, but terrible at G. Maybe there is room for a player like that if Andrews is out of the picture.Ferentz had a couple of bad snaps in the pre-season and has looked shaky. I don’t love the depth behind Karras as Froholdt needs a year of coaching (which is fine!).
I think it is more like $9M. It's still not a huge number for a starting player on his second contract but it's a major difference.Thank you to fod and JFFM for explaining the condition, its causes and the different prognoses for Andrews. Your posts are why this place is fantastic.
On another note, at present, Andrews has earned and is guaranteed something like just under $3mm total for his two contracts. While nobody should shed any tears for his paychecks, that isn't a lot of money for a guy who just turned 27 years old and has done nothing but play football during his professional life.
Its just another reminder that all of these athletes are an injury or medical condition away from being forced to start their lives over at a relatively young age. Most people around this board have a mature view on athlete earnings but this situation just reinforces why nobody should begrudge any players for maximizing their income. Their careers can and often do get interrupted or end abruptly, even when they are in their peak years physically.
I could be wrong but I am only counting what he was paid for his first contract plus what he has already earned as well as guaranteed money.I think it is more like $9M. It's still not a huge number for a starting player on his second contract but it's a major difference.
Agreed on point 2.I could be wrong but I am only counting what he was paid for his first contract plus what he has already earned as well as guaranteed money.
That said, even if it is $9mm (the total expected value of his current contract), its likely not enough to allow the guy to retire for the rest of his life.
Flying can be a problem. That's what forced Chris Bosh into retirement with his clotting problem IIRC.Provided it is safe to travel with this, I wonder if Andrews will help out with Dante for the rest of the season. He is already a coach on the field as a center so it would be natural to lend his expertise to help Ted Karras out. Andrews is lauded as seeing the game like Brady does so to have that knowledge in the film room and practice field would be immense.