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Dan Shaughnessy: Taking a dump in your mouth one column at a time

Discussion in 'Our Errors are Mistakes: The Media Forum' started by weeba, Mar 3, 2010.

  1. tims4wins

    tims4wins PN23's replacement SoSH Member

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    Thanks - this contains the data that I was referencing earlier:

    2001-2017 Pats winning % by division:
    AFCS .820
    NFCS .773
    AFCN .762
    AFCE .741
    NFCW .737
    NFCN .727
    NFCE .700
    AFCW .660

    Winning % by division from 2001-2017, when taking out the Pats, and taking out the first place team from every other division each year:
    AFCE .457
    NFCE .451
    NFCS .439
    AFCN .425
    AFCS .422
    AFCW .420
    NFCN .417
    NFCW .401

    So the AFC East has actually been the best division in football from this perspective over the last 17 years.
     
  2. John Marzano Olympic Hero

    John Marzano Olympic Hero has fancy plans, and pants to match Dope

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    Agree to disagree on whether Shaughnessy "deserves" respect. He's not my favorite writer, but I don't think that he's quite as bad as a lot of people think -- different strokes and all of that. Plus, even when it's a writer that I really dislike (Cafardo comes to mind) makes a good point, I feel you have to give it to him/her. The Bills and Dolphins have been pretty bad and the Jets haven't been great. That's alright. Again, it doesn't diminish the Patriots' (ugh) legacy.

    And Shaughnessy has said that. But I can't change your mind about whether he was being sincere and honestly I don't have the time or desire to do so. If the guy writes it, I tend to believe it. He's had thousands of examples of him being a dick, I don't know why he would all of a sudden turtle from this. But that seems logical to me.
     
  3. CoffeeNerdness

    CoffeeNerdness Member SoSH Member

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    It's hard to take that tweet on it's own without considering dozens of tomato can digs he's made over the days. That's why him saying "it doesn't diminish..." sounds like sarcastic or disingenuous bs.
     
  4. Humphrey

    Humphrey Member SoSH Member

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    What exactly was the point of today's (12/2) article? The Patriots had a bad team in 2000 and started 2001 poorly and columnist Shank shit all over him/them (who'd a thunk that) at the time. Was that worth rehashing in 2018?
     
  5. TheoShmeo

    TheoShmeo Skrub's sympathy case Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    No value. Dan couldn't think of anything else negative to write.

    Also, how many Pats fans are not acutely aware of the fact that they sucked under BB in his first year and that Mo Lewis/Brady turned it around in that remarkable 2001 season. This isn't exactly ancient history or a state secret.

    Dan sucks so much.
     
  6. PedroKsBambino

    PedroKsBambino Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    A reminder that Shank knows nothing about sports whatsoever? Little doubt about that around here, but you’d be surprised how many people think he’s some kid of sports expert not just a shit-stirrer who happens to operate mostly in sports rather than politics
     
  7. Euclis20

    Euclis20 Member SoSH Member

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    I generally agree with this viewpoint, but when people say the AFCE sucks, it can be taken in one of two ways:

    1. MIA/NYJ/BUF are always terrible and the Pats fatten up on 5-6 divisional wins against inferior competition each year.
    2. MIA/NYJ/BUF are always mediocre and the Pats never have serious competition for the division lead.

    The former is pretty clearly not true, but the latter requires a closer look. The division rivals rarely bottom out, but in 17 years, none of them has won as many as 12 games, and only hit 11 wins 4 times in 51 tries. Compared to the other divisions, that stands out:

    AFCN - 3 teams have hit 12+ wins, 4 teams finished in 2nd with 11+ wins.
    AFCS - All 4 teams have hit 12+ wins, 5 teams finished in 2nd with 11+ wins.
    AFCW - All 4 teams have hit 12+ wins, 3 teams finished in 2nd with 11+ wins.
    NFCE - 3 teams have hit 12+ wins, 2 teams finished in 2nd with 11+ wins.
    NFCN - 3 teams have 12+ wins, 3 teams finished in 2nd with 11+ wins.
    NFCS - All 4 teams have hit 12+ wins, 5 teams finished in 2nd with 11+ wins.
    NFCW - All 4 teams have hit 12+ wins, 4 different teams finished in 2nd with 11+ wins.

    MIA/NYJ/BUF seem to be all be good for 5-10 wins each year. Good enough to not bottom out and roll over, but not good enough to provide a serious challenge to the Pats for the division lead unless NE stumbles. 32 teams in the NFL and all but 6 of them have won 12+ games at least once since 2001, and 3 of those 6 are in the AFCE. Give the Pats some credit for that (hard to get to 12 wins when you have to play a juggernaut twice a year), but there's a kernel of truth in the people bitching about the Pats always having a clear path to the division title.
     
  8. shaggydog2000

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    Shanks saying that is like when somebody says "I'm not racist, but..." or "I don't mean to offend anyone, but..."

    You know you're about to hear something racist or offensive.
     
  9. TheoShmeo

    TheoShmeo Skrub's sympathy case Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Good to see Alex Spieir make the money point this morning:

    “Certainly, the Patriots routinely have wiped out their divisional opponents. Dating to the league’s move from a six- to an eight-division structure in 2002, New England has a .785 winning percentage in the AFC East — easily the best mark by any team against its division.

    Yet the Patriots also have the NFL’s best record outside of their division, a .757 record. In other words, whereas New England averages 12.6 wins per 16 games against AFC East teams, they average 12.1 wins per 16 games outside of the division.”

    Shank doesn’t get that no one really argues that the AFC East doesn’t suck. The question is relevance.
     
  10. charlieoscar

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    Globe columnist Dan Shaughnessy has been named 2018 Massachusetts Sportswriter of the Year by the National Sports Media Association.
     
  11. Humphrey

    Humphrey Member SoSH Member

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    Hope he decides to emulate Barry Sanders and go out on top.
     
  12. Philip Jeff Frye

    Philip Jeff Frye Member SoSH Member

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    Is he the only one left?
     

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