Dismiss Notice
Guest, I have a big favor to ask you. We've been working very hard to establish ourselves on social media. If you like/follow our pages it would be a HUGE help to us. SoSH on Facebook and Inside the Pylon Thanks! Nip

Cutting The Cord on Cable/Satellite TV Service?

Discussion in 'BYTE ME: Technology discussion' started by LoweTek, May 29, 2009.

  1. MikeM

    MikeM Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,841
    So I plan on selling my extra Firestick to a friend and will be giving my mother the Fire TV.

    If I didn't want to spend the $200+ on a Nvidia Shield does anybody have a specific android box recommendation that offers an overall upgrade to Fire TV without spending more then like $150 tops (preferably less)? Really just need something for IPTV/Kodi, and it seems some of those boxes I see on Amazon/Geekbuying/Gearbest that I never gave much of a look at the first time offer features the Fire TV doesn't at a similar cost. Android 6.0, more ram/memory, ect..
     
  2. Omar's Wacky Neighbor

    Omar's Wacky Neighbor Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,946
    If possible, buy from Amazon, fulfilled by Amazon, in case the box has issues. Those that ship from China (or require to send returns to China) economically become paper weights if anything goes wrong. Boxes with the newest s912 chip can be found for $60-$65, I've seen a few dip into the mid to low $50s. Min 2gb of Ram, min 16gb of rom (3gb/32gb can be found for $90-$110), you'll want the full 1000Mbit ethernet, and 2.4/5.0 wifi. OTA updates is desirable.

    I found one of these in the Warehouse a few weeks back for under $50:



    Edit: and grab a cheap keyboard w trackpad/USB dongle , or maybe a mouse and dongle if space is an issue near your TV.
     
    #452 Omar's Wacky Neighbor, Jan 27, 2017
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2017
  3. norm from cheers

    norm from cheers Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    857
    Thanks Omar.. I am still researching and the Fire TV looked like it might be a good way to get my feet wet. I have a PS3 so I can get access to Vue for NESN which is a relief.

    I keep seeing listings like this on Amazon that have boxes that are fully Unlocked and offer premium and pay per view for free. That seems too good to be true right?

    http://www.xbmcmart.com/mx.html

    Edit.. the link function would not show the amazon link for some reason so here is the actual product on the company website.
     
    #453 norm from cheers, Jan 28, 2017
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2017
  4. SumnerH

    SumnerH Malt Liquor Picker Dope

    Messages:
    23,396
    xbmc is the original name for kodi. The illegality of these devices is discussed above.
     
  5. Omar's Wacky Neighbor

    Omar's Wacky Neighbor Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,946
    I havent spent all that much time going thru all the addons, but I have NEVER seen the real interface for a pirated Netflix or HBO or Hulu or anything of that nature. I found an addon that claims to be WWE Network which has more of a formal UI, but never having seen the real WWE-N UI, I have no idea if they are the same. To my knowledge, most TV boxes allow for you to add the legit apps of those services from the the Play store (Amazon Prime takes a little more work, but it's completely legit), and use the services with your paid -for subscription login.

    That said, I've found what's essentially the CONTENT for those services no problem, and then some. And since Oscars noms just came out, you can easily find Industry screeners for any number of titles.

    EDIT: no idea if it's true or not, but every few years you hear stories that it's a studio or PR firm that leaks screeners of certain (usually, smaller) titles to generate Industry and public buzz/work of mouth.
     
    #455 Omar's Wacky Neighbor, Jan 28, 2017
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2017
  6. wilked

    wilked Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    960
    I am finally ready to get on board I think.

    I plan to switch from FIOS to Comcast - looks like I can lock in 12 months internet only (25MBPS) for $30/month
    https://www.xfinity.com/internet-service.html

    Playstation Vue - Core Slim plan, including NESN, ESPN, etc - $35/month

    Total - $65/month (maybe plus some fees), significant savings

    Any issue with the above? I also have an antenna in place which works well
     
  7. Scott Cooper's Grand Slam

    Scott Cooper's Grand Slam Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,135
    Folks signing up for Vue, do you see NESN as an available channel on https://www.playstation.com/en-us/network/vue/channels/ ? (Or in the "Add to Cart" page after selecting "Start Free Trial?" I ask because I don't see it. I know that I'm within the NESN broadcast range. NESN is available in every cable package. When I look at the Vue Channel lineup (for the Slim or greater packages), I see my local CBS affiliate, but not NESN.

    Vue is useless to me without it. If I can't get NESN, I'll spend the money on MLB.TV and a VPN instead.

    I'll probably answer my own question (I'm going to do a free trial of the "elite" package to get HBO when John Oliver comes back on Feb. 12th), but just curious if anyone has been pleasantly surprised to find NESN in their channel lineup despite not seeing it on the site.
     
  8. EJPats

    EJPats Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    123
    I read in this forum that NESN was available on Vue. Entered my zip code (northern CT) and it did not show up in the channel lineup. Decided to roll the dice and sign up anyway. Happy to report that I have both NESN and CSN even though neither appeared in the lineup on the website.
     
  9. Scott Cooper's Grand Slam

    Scott Cooper's Grand Slam Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,135
    Just what I was looking for. Thanks!
     
  10. Ed Hillel

    Ed Hillel Wants to be startin somethin Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    11,231
    Just cut the cord myself. I was able to:

    1. Pick up Fios internet and 75 local channels via streaming from Verizon for $60/month, which includes HBO for 3 monhs free trial.

    2. Trying Playstation Vue $35/month package.

    3. Finally picked up Prime to go with the Fire Sticks.

    Everything looks good for me except the ability to tape episodes of Jeopardy. It will be available live via the Fios streaming app, but the timing is bad for me because baby. Hopefully Jeopardy eventually works out a deal with these guys. CBS, too.

    Overall, saving about $100/month. Not bad.
     
  11. yecul

    yecul appreciates irony very much Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    15,012
    Is there any good way to watch The Walking Dead? Amazon sells them. Any other legal options?
     
  12. I am an Idiot

    I am an Idiot "Duke" SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,807
    Netflix has the old episodes. One season behind.
     
  13. LoweTek

    LoweTek Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,066
    I have both Roku and Fire sticks. Has anyone else noticed they sometimes show up in a wireless device such as a PC or tablet as available WI-FI networks when they are powered on? I can't find a reference to this behavior online.
     
  14. Red Sox Physicist

    Red Sox Physicist lurker

    Messages:
    91
    The Roku and FireTV remotes use Wi-Fi direct (not Bluetooth). The remote connects to the network you're seeing to control the device.
     
  15. Ale Xander

    Ale Xander Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    7,084
    If you're willing to go one season behind you can just rent from the library for most series.
     
  16. Omar's Wacky Neighbor

    Omar's Wacky Neighbor Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,946
    Yup, it's remote connections that show up.
     
  17. LoweTek

    LoweTek Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,066
    You mean to say the remote controls for these devices connect to them via WI-FI? My Roku XS is Bluetooth.
     
  18. Red Sox Physicist

    Red Sox Physicist lurker

    Messages:
    91
    Right, the Roku 2 XS came with a Bluetooth remote. Newer models use Wi-Fi Direct. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roku#Feature_comparison
    The Wi-Fi Direct network is separate from your home Wi-Fi network and only used from the remotes.
     
  19. Omar's Wacky Neighbor

    Omar's Wacky Neighbor Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,946
    If anyone needs a bulky Roku 4, a third party seller (but fulfilled by Amazon) has it for $75:

     
  20. Scott Cooper's Grand Slam

    Scott Cooper's Grand Slam Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,135
    Just a heads up for people in the Champlain Valley: NESN is available through PlayStation Vue. So is local CBS.

    Pros:
    • NESN. That alone makes it the only choice for New England based, Sox-obsessed cord cutters.
    • 50 GB of cloud DVR is great.
    • "My Shows": Automatically adds new episodes of a show to your DVR, and prioritizes them when channel surfing.
    • If you have a Chromecast you can use mobile apps (which are great) and bypass the Roku app (which is awful) to do everything.
    • Access to all apps (HBO, Showtime, FX, etc.) that come with your TV package.

    Cons:
    • The Roku app is just terrible. No guide. No Explore feature (to filter programming based on genre, length, network, etc), (I'm told the Fire app doesn't suck. I went Roku because my local cable company has a Roku-exclusive app to offer over-the-air local channels).
    • My Shows is all or nothing. I can't figure out how to record one episode of a show. Similarly, I can't figure out how to delete one episode.
    It's priciest package ($65/mo for basically every channel except Viacom) includes HBO and Showtime but at that price it's comparable to cable. At least it's month-to-month and you're not paying to rent a box.
     
  21. Joe Sixpack

    Joe Sixpack Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,718
    Are you sure the cloud DVR is limited to 50gb? I haven't seen any indication of a limit. It doesn't even seem like a real "DVR", it's just more like you add a show to favorites and you then have access to any/all episodes of that show at any time.

    if there is a limit I haven't seen any way to 1) monitor usage, or 2) only record certain episodes as you pointed out, or 3) selectively delete things.

    One frustration I have with the DVR is there's no fast forward/rewind if you start a show late but it's still currently airing (which is essential for sports).
     
  22. Scott Cooper's Grand Slam

    Scott Cooper's Grand Slam Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,135
    You're right, I was mistaken. It's SlingTV that had a 50 GB limit (now 100). Vue has no size limit, but it does have a time limit: shows are saved for 28 days. So I better get my fill of James White.
     
  23. Spelunker

    Spelunker Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,920
    Sling.tv carries AMC.
     
  24. ElUno20

    ElUno20 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,428
    Some questions for those who've gone through the cord cutting process..

    How is Sling TV? Is it reliable?

    Boxing is a main reason I still have cable, sad I know, but recently Showtime introduced the Showtime anytime app which enables streaming. Does HBO have this?

    Is it possible to order fights in home as a cord cutter?
     
  25. edoug

    edoug Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    588
    https://order.hbonow.com/devices
    I don't think there is a legal way to watch PPV's through cord cutting. Eventually the fights end up on the apps but usually at least a week later. I've never used Sling so I can't say. How's your internet. You get to try it for a week for free. I think it should be for a month but free is free.
     
  26. yecul

    yecul appreciates irony very much Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    15,012
    Cut the cord only recently, so very new to Sling. So far I like it a lot. Got Walking Dead on demand and cast some live TV. No issues. I am using the ChromeCast to get it to my TV, which may or may not be best.

    Hulu has largely been a waste though.
     
  27. TallerThanPedroia

    TallerThanPedroia Civilly Disobedient SoSH Member

    Messages:
    10,269
    My Vue in Boston now has the new NBC10 station as a live feed, instead of On Demand, though the DVR hasn't gotten the message it seems, as any shows I save still show up as on demand only.

    Still waiting on ABC and FOX.
     
  28. Dan Murfman

    Dan Murfman Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    3,072
    Google joins the market $35 for 40 channels. You Tube.png
     
  29. MikeM

    MikeM Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,841
    As it stands now that is a lot of potential trial subs Google is going to leave on the table when the people checking in see they won't be getting AMC/Walking Dead.
     
  30. Spelunker

    Spelunker Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,920
    It's what will keep me from dropping Sling, which easily has the worst app experience.
     
  31. TallerThanPedroia

    TallerThanPedroia Civilly Disobedient SoSH Member

    Messages:
    10,269
    I'm in Boston on Vue. After not knowing what people were talking about with getting NESN, suddenly this weekend I have it, and more importantly: Turner Classic Movies!
     
  32. Montana Fan

    Montana Fan Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    7,209
    I cut the cord on cable a few years ago and am now looking at cutting the cord on wifi since there is a 4G tower pretty close to where I live. Any thoughts on the Verizon unlimited plan and whether a good 4G signal could feasibly replace wifi for streaming TV?
     
  33. TeddyBallgame'sDirtbagSon

    TeddyBallgame'sDirtbagSon lurker

    Messages:
    395
    Do you have to be in a New England market to get nesn and csnne on vue. If no, would I be dealing with blackout restrictions if accessing from a remote market?
     
  34. mt8thsw9th

    mt8thsw9th anti-SoSHal SoSH Member

    Messages:
    15,910
    No. After 22GB you're going to get dropped down to speeds which streaming would be next to impossible. It's a great plan, but not one that could handle streaming more than 5 or 6 movies, and a handful of shows a month.
     
  35. johnmd20

    johnmd20 voice of soccer Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    27,514
    As noted, you'll get throttled on this plan once you go over 20GB's. The amount of data HD video requires is massive. Doing it over 4G will lead to a abysmal experience, even if you're not getting throttled, there will always be wireless bottlenecks even if you're close to a tower. And when you get throttled, it's useless.
     
  36. Montana Fan

    Montana Fan Well-Known Member Silver Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    7,209
    Thanks fellas!
     
  37. garlan5

    garlan5 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,971
    Where I live folks have gone to Verizon unlimited and the 3g will still stream movies in HD but I was told the reasoning is because of the limited traffic in the 3g due to our rural area. So basically no slowing down for us country folk. I guess in the city where many are streaming from the same tower things slow down more. I'm able to stream from our 4g via firestick with kodi/exodus app.
     
  38. ElUno20

    ElUno20 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,428
    I'm looking to cut the cord soon but a little lost with all the devices. I currently use a Chromecast for Spotify, netflix, etc. Should I just browse Amazon sold devices in my price range ? Or are there leaders of the pack?
     
  39. garlan5

    garlan5 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,971
    i'm data limited per month but my firestick is pretty sweet. you can download kodi and from there add on other apps and get just about any t.v, movie, sports that you want. with my internet being from a 4g hotspot I sometimes buffer on live sporting events. other than that the movies stream great.
     
  40. dirtynine

    dirtynine Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,184
    On one hand I'm glad to see new companies coming in with bundles (like Google). In the abstract, options are good.

    On the other, we're now getting beyond the original "cord cutting" ethos, which was to forget about hopping through TV channel buffets and, for the most part, to forgo live TV altogether - and to replace it with deliberately watching particular episodes of TV on one's own schedule. One goal was being free from Big Wire, sure, but another was being more purposeful about what one consumed. I don't think the Google bundle or others like it really help with that second part. But I am glad they're available, as another wedge against traditional options (if that makes sense).
     
  41. ElUno20

    ElUno20 Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    2,428

    Some people like knowing something is on or out there. It shouldn't apply to cord cutters but I think it does.
     
  42. Ed Hillel

    Ed Hillel Wants to be startin somethin Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    11,231
    What experience have you all been having regarding sports streaming? I have Vue and, while everything else is great, my sports are oftentimes choppy. I ran a test and have between around 50 MBPS coming in. Has anyone had a chance to test out various apps for sports streaming quality?

    Thanks!

    Edit - Actually, wonder if it might be a Firestick issue?
     
  43. Ed Hillel

    Ed Hillel Wants to be startin somethin Gold Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    11,231
    Got it. Seems Vue and Fire Stick can only perform 30 FPS, whereas the Fire TV Box can do 60. I will have to upgrade.
     
  44. GreyisGone

    GreyisGone Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,274
    I know you figured it out but just to confirm Vue on my Apple TV streams sports great.
     
  45. drbretto

    drbretto guidence counselor Silver Supporter SoSH Member

    Messages:
    7,236
    Hopefully this hasn't been asked a thousand times, I haven't read the whole thread.

    Does anyone know what the best device is for streaming from the sites that don't actually have apps? Specifically MLB Network, which seems to have the web based stream that won't work on a PS4, even if you're going in through the web browser. Will a chromecast do the trick? Is there an android based device that has a built in web browser for this kind of thing?

    I'd also want to use it for all of the other network streaming services that aren't on their own apps, like the ones that you need to sign into your cable company to get access to. Like FXX, which I think uses flash, if that helps.

    Trying to stay cheap as possible.
     
  46. gtmtnbiker

    gtmtnbiker Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    158
    Any recommendation on a VPN solution/setup to use with a Roku? I have a Netgear R8000 router. I guess I could setup VPN on it and route Roku traffic through it? Anyone has done this?

    Looking to cut the cord later this year. Just tried Sling and it works great.
     
  47. wilked

    wilked Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    960
    just curious, as I am sure I am missing something. I have a a ROKU and simply connect it via WIFI. What is the reason for a VPN? Is it for MLB app / blackout stuff?
     
  48. Omar's Wacky Neighbor

    Omar's Wacky Neighbor Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    4,946
    Viewing blacked out games in-market, and masking your identity for some of the "questionable" content found on other Roku apps. (see my earlier post about X-TV)
     
  49. gtmtnbiker

    gtmtnbiker Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    158
    Yup, that's what I want to do. I guess I'll have to read up on my router and see how I can configure a VPN. Ideally, I want to do it only for the Roku and not affect any other device at this time.
     
  50. HoyaSoxa

    HoyaSoxa Member SoSH Member

    Messages:
    1,102
    This is my issue. I am pretty well set to cut cable and go with Vue via Roku now that it has NESN/Sox, but I have become quite accustomed to watching sports on delay, and the Vue experience just does not stack up to what I am used to with RCN/Tivo. Is there anything out there to add to my set-up that would allow me start a game from the beginning while it is still going on, then FFWD through breaks, and also to extend the recording window beyond what is in the program guide for inevitable games running long? How about for over-the-air (antenna) content (e.g. Pats games/golf majors)?
     

Share This Page