Big 12 basketball tournaments end on Saturdays (leading into the Big East championship game). There are some CBS basketball games on Sunday, and BYU simply wouldn't be part of them, but they would most certainly be on Big Monday or the conference's regular time slots on Wednesdays and Saturdays. Baseball would have to be worked out, but that seems like a simple-enough fix.Isnt one of the big issues with adding BYU to any conference their unwillingness to play any sports on Sunday?
I get your point, but this should never be called the Big Eight. We're just a little touchy about that as Nebraska fans/alumni. While we look back at the Big 12 as a big mess and to a lesser extent a wasted opportunity, views of the Big 8 are a lot more nostalgic (i.e Texas schools can suck it).THE BIG EIGHT
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Baylor
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
I heard the (wish I could remember the name) reporter who covers UT on a Raleigh sports show last week talking about this issue as the reason why Texas to the Pac-10 would not work. The PAC 10 supposedly has THE most restrictive agreement when it comes to revenue, tv etc of any major conference in the country. He was clear he saw zero chance of it working out and said this was why Texas was looking at the ACC and the ACC was looking at Texas. Since both have ties to Espn and the ACC TV deal gets rewritten if they add 3 or more schools, he felt there was lots of wiggle room to strike a conference tv deal with texas incldued that included a significant boost for the ACC while also grandfathering in the longhorn network. So far, this is going exactly how he said it would lol....PAC-12 has said no to adding any more schools (and specifically Texas from the Big 12) because of Texas Longhorn network revenue sharing issues.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6998751/pac-12-conference-decides-expand-further
I'm going to laugh my ass off in 10 years when Texas is in the same boat as Notre Dame is now given where ND was 10 years ago as a program and a national power
I just can't see why the Service academies would jump into that mess. Sure I can see why ECU, UCF, maybe Memphis would love the opportunites, and they would all be great cultural fits for the conference.http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6998720/commissioner-john-marinatto-says-schools-committed-big-east
BIG EAST Commisioner says the remaining 14 BE Schools + TCU are committed to stay together...um except UConn..and maybe a bunch of others still looking around. :rolling:
Also rumors were they may still go ahead with those Navy & Air Force additions to the Football side of the League.
John Marinatto has the credibility Charlie Sheen telling you he is alright now and can be trusted again.
Syracuse? You can't even watch half of Syracuse's games in the cityUneducated guess
1. Notre Damn
2. Syracuse
3. Penn State
4. Michigan
5. OSU
Syracuse is 250 miles from Manhattan, through Binghampton and Scranton (300 through Albany), and Charlottesville is 340 miles, with DC traffic.Edit - Syracuse is just so far from the city.
BCS Schools closer to Manhattan than Syracuse
Rutgers
Army
UConn
Temple
UMass
Maryland, Navy, UVA, and BC are right about the same distance as Syracuse and are quicker drives. The drive to Syracuse is ten minutes less than Penn St.
No one has played this well. As much as it pains me to say it, Texas has been a huge part of screwing things up here, but no more than anyone else. Nebraska turned tail and ran away because they couldn't stand up to Texas. Colorado never wanted to be in the Big 12 in the first place and took the first opportunity to bolt. aggy is being aggy, not much anyone can do about that. Texas does its own thing. OU cries foul because they finally figured out no one is interested in a Sooner Network. Baylor holds everyone hostage. T. Boone Pickens, of all people, whines about Texas having too much money and how we need to share it with the poorer schools. PAC 12 looks at this mess and says, "Are you kidding me? Do I really want these dysfunctional boobs in my conference?"Not saying that I think the Pac-16 will ever happen now, but.. didn't the SEC say "hey we're not expanding" right before they added A&M just a few weeks ago? They're all liars. The Big 12(8 or 9 or whatever the fuck) is doomed. Missouri wants out. OU wants stability that doesn't exist. Texas wants everyone to kowtow to whatever they say. Mommy and Daddy are going to keep hitting each other, and adding BYU or Air Force or anyone else won't fix squat. The conference will be gone by 2015.
Which NYC cable providers are not already offering the BTN anyway?The idea that adding, for example, Rutgers to the Big Ten is going to result in BTN being picked up by cable systems in the NY DMA remains a fantasy.
I have the Big Ten network in Massachusetts. On game days I get Big Ten 1,2,3 for channels. I have fios.Which NYC cable providers are not already offering the BTN anyway?
It's not about offering vs. not offering, it's about what tier it's on and what kind of per-subscriber rent the network can obtain. Inside the "conference footprint," they get something like 80 cents per subscriber.Which NYC cable providers are not already offering the BTN anyway?
I have Cablevision and I don't have the BTN unless I order the premium package. Channel 413.I have the Big Ten network in Massachusetts. On game days I get Big Ten 1,2,3 for channels. I have fios.
Agreed. All it takes is a week of listening to WFAN during college football season to confirm this. The only discussion that takes place is cursory, and focuses on the national powers rather than the regional schools.The whole argument about who is the most popular school in NYC is kind of beside the point because ultimately no school is popular enough here to move ratings or drive distribution of a conference-owned channel.
Really? So New York's Team can't even get on NYC television and is not even talked about on the local news?Syracuse has branded themselves as New York's Team, so they are trying to identify themselves certainly with the NYC area.
I don't think BTN is available on TWCWhich NYC cable providers are not already offering the BTN anyway?
Eh Francesa will talk Rutgers now and again. They suck this year which is what he said before the season started. SNY still plays all of Rutgers non national games.Agreed. All it takes is a week of listening to WFAN during college football season to confirm this. The only discussion that takes place is cursory, and focuses on the national powers rather than the regional schools.
Sure, M&MD were doing weekly interviews and sucking Schiano off when Rutgers got off to the 9-0 start back in 2006, but since that season (and certainly since Ray Rice left a year later) it's been pretty much crickets.
Which is exactly the point. The BTN is always going to be in a "sports bundle" package with a bunch of other channels (ESPN Classic, the Fox Sports channels, etc). Adding Rutgers will not change where cable networks choose to put the BTN in their tiers.It's not about offering vs. not offering, it's about what tier it's on and what kind of per-subscriber rent the network can obtain. Inside the "conference footprint," they get something like 80 cents per subscriber.
I checked that one specifically and it is.I don't think BTN is available on TWC
I don't think they get that everywhere. Not every operator caved in to initial demands.And it's $1.10 per subscriber.
Oh cool what channel is it? I haven't seen it with the rest of the sports bundleI checked that one specifically and it is.
472 -- in the "TWC Sports Pass" along with ESPN Classic, FCS, FUEL, etc.Oh cool what channel is it? I haven't seen it with the rest of the sports bundle
Edit - It isn't with the Fox Sports and ESPN stuff or with NBA channel or MLB. I just assumed it was the same as the NFL network.
If the Texas A&M invite gets retracted, it will because of legal/financial issues with getting them out of the Big 12, not a problem with having 13 teams. The one thing I think that the SEC might be sincere about is their willingness to stick with 13 for some short-term period in order to get their favorite choices for additional schools further down the line.Add Mizzou to the current Big 12 members, most of the reports today said the Tigers going to the SEC was contingent on the Big 12 falling apart, basically once the Pac-16 taking place. With that not happening, the SEC's in a tough spot -- follow through on not adding Mizzou because the Big 12 still stands, move to add Mizzou knowing you need a 14th team, or retract that conditional Texas A&M invite because you don't want to be stuck at 13. Not sure what the SEC does.
If I'm the SEC, still looking for a 14th team, I might give Texas Tech a call at this point. For a second consecutive summer, their plans to head west have been stopped, but combine them with Texas A&M and suddenly Texas could become an SEC state. That would be far more valuable than whatever Mizzou delivered.If the Texas A&M invite gets retracted, it will because of legal/financial issues with getting them out of the Big 12, not a problem with having 13 teams. The one thing I think that the SEC might be sincere about is their willingness to stick with 13 for some short-term period in order to get their favorite choices for additional schools further down the line.
Yer you think Syracuse is number one? Who talks about Syracuse?Rutgers is popular in NYC for about 15 minutes when they make a bowl game or have a decent season. The remainder the time they are a Jersey team that is largely the butt of jokes.
I just dont think that NYC is a college football town. That said, if you asked 100 people what college football team they follow, of the 20 that didn't say "I dont give a shit" about college football, I believe that Syracuse would get a higher number of responses than Rutgers. The exception was during the short 2-3 year stretch when Rutgers was really playing well (and coincided with the worst Syracuse seasons in program history). Fact is, in 1999, this wasn't even a question.Yer you think Syracuse is number one? Who talks about Syracuse?
Big 12 thinking of expansion?
B12 Might Expand
So basically they may want to add BYU, Louisville and WVU, maybe even [gasp] Rutgers as the 12th.
Meanwhile UConn gets further screwed according to the report because their future seems to be tied--according to multiple sources--to ND. The ACC wants ND and then to add UConn over Rutgers as the 16th and final team. But the ND thing may be a pipe dream so UConn just sits and waits in the middle of nowhere.
You are wrong. No one gives a shit about Syracuse in NYC outside of Syracuse grads. The fact you keep arguing this is retarded.I just dont think that NYC is a college football town. That said, if you asked 100 people what college football team they follow, of the 20 that didn't say "I dont give a shit" about college football, I believe that Syracuse would get a higher number of responses than Rutgers. The exception was during the short 2-3 year stretch when Rutgers was really playing well (and coincided with the worst Syracuse seasons in program history). Fact is, in 1999, this wasn't even a question.
of course, you have a few poseurs who follow Notre Dame or Penn State as well.
I think the Navy & Air Force invitations would be FOOTBALL ONLY for the Big East since they are independents.It would be funny if Navy somehow ended up in a big-time conference for basketball, after Ed DeChellis said he purposely left Penn State and took the Navy job to get back to "real" college coaching.
I'd be mildly surprised if the Big 12 expands beyond ten teams (assuming they get the tenth or that aggy screws up their exit again). The television deal they negotiated last year contemplates ten teams, so they'd need some renegotiation of that deal upon the addition of two more teams, and unless the new teams bring in really great markets, that might be a challenge.Big 12 thinking of expansion?
No team other than Texas can "own" Texas, Texas will never be a SEC state in the sense that I think you mean unless Texas joins the SEC. I don't get the impression that Texas Tech would even move the needle for the SEC in terms of Texas exposure. If the A&M move goes through, the SEC will already have the biggest and most significant footprint that they can get in the state without actually adding the University of Texas. We also don't know how much effort the SEC is putting into finding a 14th team right now, because we still don't know that they even have a 13th team yet! Texas Tech delivers nothing, which is essentially even less value than what West Virginia could have delivered (another school that is at least football-crazy), nevermind Missouri (at least decent sports, at least decent academics, and the STL and KC markets).If I'm the SEC, still looking for a 14th team, I might give Texas Tech a call at this point. For a second consecutive summer, their plans to head west have been stopped, but combine them with Texas A&M and suddenly Texas could become an SEC state. That would be far more valuable than whatever Mizzou delivered.
And give up the dream of a Championship game in Dallas?I'd be mildly surprised if the Big 12 expands beyond ten teams (assuming they get the tenth or that aggy screws up their exit again). The television deal they negotiated last year contemplates ten teams, so they'd need some renegotiation of that deal upon the addition of two more teams, and unless the new teams bring in really great markets, that might be a challenge.
No one in New York wants a damn thing to do with New Jersey. Period. That you don't know this is strange to me.You are wrong. No one gives a shit about Syracuse in NYC outside of Syracuse grads. The fact you keep arguing this is retarded.
But I knew you were an idiot. So I am even more of an idiot for engaging you.
Syracuse has nothing to do with NYC.
ACC: Remember that big deal with ESPN that doubled the ACC's rights intake in July? It's about to go up. John Swofford is going to leverage the addition of Syracuse and Pittsburgh to claim that the ACC has the entire Eastern seaboard, including New York. That's worth a lot more than $1.86 billion over 12 years.