Championship Weekend: Chiefs @ Ravens, Lions @ 49ers

jablo1312

New Member
Sep 20, 2005
985
Several big injuries to monitor.

-In the AFC with Humphrey out for BAL- maybe not as big as his reputation would have some people think but still an asset- and Thuney for KC, who was out of the game for the only KC drive that ended in a punt yesterday.

-In the NFC with Deebo. I won't call him the straw that stirs the drink but he's a unique weapon who cannot fully be replaced by back-ups and scheme. Meanwhile, the lions are likely out a starting guard (Jonah Jackson) and will be operating with a less then 100% Frank Ragnow. SF's front 4 didn't do much against GB on Saturday, they could be getting a boost here, and Goff is one of the worst QB's in the league under pressure.
 

johnmd20

mad dog
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 30, 2003
62,091
New York City
Several big injuries to monitor.

-In the AFC with Humphrey out for BAL- maybe not as big as his reputation would have some people think but still an asset- and Thuney for KC, who was out of the game for the only KC drive that ended in a punt yesterday.

-In the NFC with Deebo. I won't call him the straw that stirs the drink but he's a unique weapon who cannot fully be replaced by back-ups and scheme. Meanwhile, the lions are likely out a starting guard (Jonah Jackson) and will be operating with a less then 100% Frank Ragnow. SF's front 4 didn't do much against GB on Saturday, they could be getting a boost here, and Goff is one of the worst QB's in the league under pressure.
The Thuney injury is massive. If he can't go, that is a big loss for KC. Baltimore is very healthy, in general. Sure, they did that annual thing where all their RBs got hurt but their best RB is Lamar anyway and Edwards and Cook are good enough for what they do.

I think SF should just sit Deebo or use him sparingly because they can beat the Lions without him and then he would get 2 full weeks of rest. They will absolutely need Deebo in the SB if they get there. He really adds a dimension when coupled with McCaffrey.

The team with the least amount of injuries always makes the SB.(TB in 2021,(chiefs had a weak line and that was the game) Rams/Cinncy in 2022, Eagles/Chiefs last year)

So things look particularly excellent for the Ravens.
 

Morgan's Magic Snowplow

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 2, 2006
22,429
Philadelphia
The Chiefs have earned a lot of respect but Ravens -3 just seems too low. Assuming the typical three points for home field, the underlying claim is that the teams are evenly matched and I have a difficult time getting there based on their respective performances this season. I don't bet NFL games but I would hammer the Ravens at that number.
 

BusRaker

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 11, 2006
2,379
The Chiefs have earned a lot of respect but Ravens -3 just seems too low. Assuming the typical three points for home field, the underlying claim is that the teams are evenly matched and I have a difficult time getting there based on their respective performances this season. I don't bet NFL games but I would hammer the Ravens at that number.
Taylor Swift effect. I think it should be more like 4 or 5
 

E5 Yaz

polka king
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
90,688
Oregon
Since the NFL went to the defending champion playing in the league opener, has a season ever ended with the same teams meeting in the first game of the season and the Super Bowl?
 

Mystic Merlin

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 21, 2007
47,052
Hartford, CT
Since the NFL went to the defending champion playing in the league opener, has a season ever ended with the same teams meeting in the first game of the season and the Super Bowl?
The closest I can think of is the Panthers and Broncos opening the 2016 season after facing off in SB 50, but that obviously isn’t in the same season. Over the past thirty or so years, I think only the 2020 Chiefs, 2014 Seahawks, 2004 Patriots, 2017 Patriots, 1997 Packers, 1998 Broncos, and 1993 Cowboys returned to the SB as defending champs, and none of them had a rematch against the team they played in week one of that season.
 

johnmd20

mad dog
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 30, 2003
62,091
New York City
Thuney, KC OL, with a pec strain, not a tear. He might be able to play. This was the best possible news the Chiefs could get.
 

Toe Nash

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 28, 2005
5,638
02130
You can do this? I wish MLB allowed this
The NFL roster rules are very silly.
  • The early trade deadline relative to other sports means that very few in-season trades of substance occur
  • The IR rules mean teams have to choose between keeping a player on the roster in case they can return and adding someone to the team to fill their place (This has gotten better but you can still only return someone from IR 8 times during the year and someone on IR has to be out for at least 4 weeks)
  • At the same time, players who are free agents can be added the day before the Super Bowl if the team and player agree. This doesn't happen too often with good players as they're usually signed and teams like to have the practice time to integrate new guys, but Dalvin Cook is an example here along with Ertz of someone who could definitely have an impact. It seems unfair to other teams for a ring chaser to sign during the playoffs.
It seems like an easy fix is to move the trading deadline later and have the playoff rosters freeze at that point. If you want to chase a ring, fine, but you need to make your decision before you know the playoff seeding and the team should have to give up something to get you if you're any good.
 

Awesome Fossum

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2005
3,910
Austin, TX
You can't freeze playoff rosters. There's too many injuries in football and not enough organizational depth. Had the 49ers won the NFCC last year, they would have had to go sign a street FA to play quarterback.
 

Remagellan

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
You can't freeze playoff rosters. There's too many injuries in football and not enough organizational depth. Had the 49ers won the NFCC last year, they would have had to go sign a street FA to play quarterback.
That could have resulted in the greatest story in sports history! (And eventually the greatest sports movie.)
 

trekfan55

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Oct 29, 2004
11,638
Panama
You can't freeze playoff rosters. There's too many injuries in football and not enough organizational depth. Had the 49ers won the NFCC last year, they would have had to go sign a street FA to play quarterback.
Joe Flacco?

But seriously, the rules may be a little silly but at least the players signed are either team discards of players who have been off the entire season. In some cases they can make an impact but how much so? In football you get in game shape by getting hit by players in real time. No gym can help with that.
 

Ale Xander

Hamilton
SoSH Member
Oct 31, 2013
73,505
You can't freeze playoff rosters. There's too many injuries in football and not enough organizational depth. Had the 49ers won the NFCC last year, they would have had to go sign a street FA to play quarterback.
This is what wildcat is for. And I think both Deebo and Macca would have been good
 

cshea

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 15, 2006
36,254
306, row 14
Joe Flacco?

But seriously, the rules may be a little silly but at least the players signed are either team discards of players who have been off the entire season. In some cases they can make an impact but how much so? In football you get in game shape by getting hit by players in real time. No gym can help with that.
Wasn't it going to be Phillip Rivers?
 

trekfan55

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Oct 29, 2004
11,638
Panama
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/philip-rivers-was-49ers-emergency-qb-plan-for-super-bowl-says-kyle-shanahan

Yes, and Rivers would have considered it. He hadn’t played in two seasons, but with two weeks to prepare it might have given them a fighting chance.
Yeah, I said Jow Flacco because he literally got off the couch and led the Browns to a playoff spot (or at least completed the journey).
Phillip Rivers reachinga SuperBowl this way would have been epic
 

Smiling Joe Hesketh

Throw Momma From the Train
Moderator
SoSH Member
May 20, 2003
35,912
Deep inside Muppet Labs
Interesting. Vinovich is the ref who did the Ineligible Receivers game, and Harbaugh was pissed about that years aferwards. If the Ravens make it to the SB I wonder if that will play an issue with the Ravens.
 

DennyDoyle'sBoil

Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill
SoSH Member
Sep 9, 2008
43,044
AZ
Seems like Vinovich, Blakeman, and Cheffers are the go to guys now. Each of them has multiple Super Bowls. I think they are the only active refs who have ever called the game, except Torbert, who did one.
 

Rudy's Curve

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 4, 2006
2,338
Interesting. Vinovich is the ref who did the Ineligible Receivers game, and Harbaugh was pissed about that years aferwards. If the Ravens make it to the SB I wonder if that will play an issue with the Ravens.
Looking at his game log, he actually didn't do a Ravens game for close to five years after. I thought we might've had a Walt Coleman in Oakland situation, but he's worked 10 of their games since the end of 2019.
 

Toe Nash

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 28, 2005
5,638
02130
You can't freeze playoff rosters. There's too many injuries in football and not enough organizational depth. Had the 49ers won the NFCC last year, they would have had to go sign a street FA to play quarterback.
You could easily have some contingency for injuries. Obviously. They increased the practice squad to 16, just make teams pull from that. If you didn't have the foresight to put enough guys at important positions on there then oh well.

Also my related complaint was the stupid IR rules. It all needs to be overhauled.
 

Awesome Fossum

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2005
3,910
Austin, TX
You could easily have some contingency for injuries. Obviously. They increased the practice squad to 16, just make teams pull from that. If you didn't have the foresight to put enough guys at important positions on there then oh well.

Also my related complaint was the stupid IR rules. It all needs to be overhauled.
If a contingency for injuries is OK, then why the complaining about the Lions filling a roster spot created by injury? What's the problem that you're trying to solve?
 
Oct 12, 2023
726
Good players almost never get released in season in the NFL barring off field issues, locker room problems etc. Ertz has been an injury plagued non entity for almost 2 years and Cook looks washed. They might be more recognizable names than your average street free agent or practice squad guy (practice squad guys like Julio Jones and Leonard Fournette?) but this isn’t like some team picking up a Dugger or Onwenu dumped by his team in a contract year or something.

I don’t see what problem is being solved by freezing rosters or limiting who can sign where. Trade deadlines and roster freezes are to prevent bad non contender teams from dumping good players to playoff teams. Since most good NFL players (the guys you’d worry about providing some sort of competitive imbalance or collusion) come with dead money salary cap hits for the next season, teams are disinclined from just cutting guys in-season who aren’t in their future plans.

Kickers, long snappers and punters are a good example why any sort of roster freeze doesn’t work. There’s barely 32 (and that’s a stretch) guys who can do those jobs at an NFL level but they don’t get hurt often. There certainly aren’t 64 NFL caliber or even close to it guys out there in any given year. Probably not even 45 of them. You’re not going to have teams waste practice squad guys on some kicker twice as bad as Ryland or some long snapper who didn’t even get a training camp invite. What happens when those guys get hurt? You call up the 33rd or 38th or whatever best guy and pull him in off the street. And, as we saw with the famous story of the Patriots, sometimes you pull a guy out of his classroom to long snap for you in the playoffs because the 38th best guy just went down with an injury.
 
Oct 12, 2023
726
You could easily have some contingency for injuries. Obviously. They increased the practice squad to 16, just make teams pull from that. If you didn't have the foresight to put enough guys at important positions on there then oh well.

Also my related complaint was the stupid IR rules. It all needs to be overhauled.
How do you deem “important positions”? 16 practice squad spots isn’t enough for even two emergency options at each position given the specific nature of some jobs. Some guys can only play left tackle, some only play right. Some corners are slot only, some DT are 0/1 technique only, some WR only play X. There’s 28+ positions in football (including long snapper, kicker, punter, slot receiver, slot corner, blocking TE etc). Unless you’re expanding practice squads to like 40 guys, you’re never going to have enough injury coverage and even then you get runs of injuries at a specific position in one or two weeks. Unless you’re suggesting no freeze on practice squads which just adds an unnecessary transaction - we need to sign Dalvin Cook to the PS before we elevate him to the 53? Or do practice squads (which churn constantly) get frozen too?
 

Mystic Merlin

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 21, 2007
47,052
Hartford, CT
Good players almost never get released in season in the NFL barring off field issues, locker room problems etc. Ertz has been an injury plagued non entity for almost 2 years and Cook looks washed. They might be more recognizable names than your average street free agent or practice squad guy (practice squad guys like Julio Jones and Leonard Fournette?) but this isn’t like some team picking up a Dugger or Onwenu dumped by his team in a contract year or something.

I don’t see what problem is being solved by freezing rosters or limiting who can sign where. Trade deadlines and roster freezes are to prevent bad non contender teams from dumping good players to playoff teams. Since most good NFL players (the guys you’d worry about providing some sort of competitive imbalance or collusion) come with dead money salary cap hits for the next season, teams are disinclined from just cutting guys in-season who aren’t in their future plans.

Kickers, long snappers and punters are a good example why any sort of roster freeze doesn’t work. There’s barely 32 (and that’s a stretch) guys who can do those jobs at an NFL level but they don’t get hurt often. There certainly aren’t 64 NFL caliber or even close to it guys out there in any given year. Probably not even 45 of them. You’re not going to have teams waste practice squad guys on some kicker twice as bad as Ryland or some long snapper who didn’t even get a training camp invite. What happens when those guys get hurt? You call up the 33rd or 38th or whatever best guy and pull him in off the street. And, as we saw with the famous story of the Patriots, sometimes you pull a guy out of his classroom to long snap for you in the playoffs because the 38th best guy just went down with an injury.
Right - freezing rosters is a solution in search of a problem that itself creates problems for players and teams.
 

trekfan55

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Oct 29, 2004
11,638
Panama
All over my Twitter feed that Deebo is back and praticing. Here's hoping he plays on Sunday becuase he does make a huge difference.
 

54thMA

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 15, 2012
10,169
Westwood MA
I really like the 49ers, but man what a story if the Lions finally break through and get to the Super Bowl; if I am not mistaken, that would leave just Jacksonville and Houston as the only two teams who have not made it, the Browns have been there twice.
 

nolasoxfan

Member
SoSH Member
Jun 11, 2004
7,023
Displaced
I really like the 49ers, but man what a story if the Lions finally break through and get to the Super Bowl; if I am not mistaken, that would leave just Jacksonville and Houston as the only two teams who have not made it, the Browns have been there twice.
The Browns have never made a Super Bowl.
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
54,226
Maryland Gov challenges the Gov of....Kansas to a bet on the AFC game.

 

CFB_Rules

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 29, 2016
1,636
Seems like Vinovich, Blakeman, and Cheffers are the go to guys now. Each of them has multiple Super Bowls. I think they are the only active refs who have ever called the game, except Torbert, who did one.
Blakeman's only got 1 (Carolina vs Denver)