Yes I certainly could BaseballJones. I'd have Tatum locked up.No you couldn't.
Yes I certainly could BaseballJones. I'd have Tatum locked up.No you couldn't.
Haha. He probably wouldn't even get a shot off!Yes I certainly could BaseballJones. I'd have Tatum locked up.
Maybe, but that play was bad. He hit his off arm while he was in the air. A player does expect contact from that angle, and it is pretty risky. The player is bracing for contact in one direction and is pushed the opposite way. It is the type of foul nonbasketball players commit in PE class that gets your star player injured because the stupid PE teacher insisted he participate in class the day of the city final. JB seemed to say, "Watch that s--t". He was pretty upset abut that dangerous play. In FIBA that would be an intentional foul since Giannis did not play the ball and just hit him to prevent the dunk.Also think Jaylen's reaction was most definitely NOT about just that play.
Oh I agree. just watching it live it felt more like pent up aggression than just that play. Appreciate the FIBA context as wellMaybe, but that play was bad. He hit his off arm while he was in the air. A player does expect contact from that angle, and it is pretty risky. The player is bracing for contact in one direction and is pushed the opposite way. It is the type of foul nonbasketball players commit in PE class that gets your star player injured because the stupid PE teacher insisted he participate in class the day of the city final. JB seemed to say, "Watch that s--t". He was pretty upset abut that dangerous play. In FIBA that would be an intentional foul since Giannis did not play the ball and just hit him to prevent the dunk.
I want to see the presser.Haha. He probably wouldn't even get a shot off!
Pushing someone down low driving to the basket like that with no play on the ball would seem to me to be unnecessary contact. It SHOULD be a flagrant, moreso than others that are called, for example the one Al got last night where his arm came down in a natural motion and hit someone.He barely fouled him. He didn't really make a play on the ball, but get out of here with that being anywhere near a flagrant
Well, the Cs were small when they went on their run. Not sure about causality but Bud mentioned it in his post-game presser so it clearly something that he was reacting to. Lopez play 7 minutes and Portis played 0 in the 4Q so I think Coach Bud is concerned about the matchups. Having GA at the 5 opened up the lane for Smart (two post-ups) and JT (several drives).So is the consensus that the Celtics made their run after going small in the 4th? The third quarter felt like it was almost game over, with Giannis getting anything he wanted. I couldn't identify any major change in strategy watching the game but it seems like people here think it was playing White over Grant, right? Hitting their shots in the 4th probably helped keep the Bucks out of transition too
I've not watched the first half of last night's game yet but JT has been out of rhythm a lot, which generally results in misses. Matthews has played an important role of keeping JT out of rhythm. I think going small really helped JT see some openings and regain his rhythm.Matthews' defense looks a LOT worse if Tatum knocks down even a few of those wide open shots he missed the last couple of games. Yes he's made SOME shots hard for Tatum, but Tatum has missed some wide open looks. (well wide open by NBA standards)
In 2012 I was awaiting a Miami Heat game. I was transfixed watching 60 year old coach Bob McAdoo drain 10 3pters in a row. My son asked me 'Dad could you guard him?" I said I couldn't . "No dad I mean if you were young and at your best and he was still 60 years old." I told I knew what he meant, and my answer was still that I could not stop him.Yes I certainly could BaseballJones. I'd have Tatum locked up.
It wasn't dangerous though. I mean nobody got hurt and it barely affected Brown's movements at all. He should have made the damn dunk actually. https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=665&GameID=0042100214&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=G. Antetokounmpo S.FOUL (P5.T4) (T.Brothers)&sct=plotIntentional and dangerous foul on someone driving to the basket with no play on the ball is supposed to be a flagrant. Get out of here with not thinking a play like that is dangerous. It's extremely dangerous to hit someone like that in that position, even a small bump. It's a cheap shot.
At the 4 minute mark of the third, Theis came in for Horford. Grant, Tatum, White, and Smart also in. Celtics down 6.So is the consensus that the Celtics made their run after going small in the 4th? The third quarter felt like it was almost game over, with Giannis getting anything he wanted. I couldn't identify any major change in strategy watching the game but it seems like people here think it was playing White over Grant, right? Hitting their shots in the 4th probably helped keep the Bucks out of transition too
Just because nobody gets hurt doesn't mean it's not dangerous. I think those kind of undercuts are about as dangerous as it gets in the NBA in terms of threat of long term injuries. Well, those and intentionally invading landing spots (which I also think should be flagrants). You don't need to be moved off your spot much going that rate of speed. The players know that, which is why they just let players go when they're beaten. Once they're in the air, if you are not in front of the player or at an angle to contest the actual shot/dunk, you gotta let them go. Or at least challenge up high. You can't do what Giannis did, he definitely made a choice in that moment to chicken wing his arm and push him off his spot with his forearm at hip level. He could have just gone past him.It wasn't dangerous though. I mean nobody got hurt and it barely affected Brown's movements at all. He should have made the damn dunk actually. https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=665&GameID=0042100214&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=G. Antetokounmpo S.FOUL (P5.T4) (T.Brothers)&sct=plot
This call angered me plenty. https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=495&GameID=0042100214&Season=2021-22&flag=1&title=Theis Offensive Foul Turnover (P1.T9)&sct=plotAt 2:30, Theis picks up an offensive foul
The Athletic's Jay King, who used to cohost Locked On C's with John Karalis (and I think played a little bit in a small college program), told his story of playing 1-on-1 against Scal on one media day. At some point King got some delusions of grandeur and tried to really to take it to Scal, at which point Scal, professional bench warmer that he was, just wiped the floor with him without breaking a sweat.In 2012 I was awaiting a Miami Heat game. I was transfixed watching 60 year old coach Bob McAdoo drain 10 3pters in a row. My son asked me 'Dad could you guard him?" I said I couldn't . "No dad I mean if you were young and at your best and he was still 60 years old." I told I knew what he meant, and my answer was still that I could not stop him.
He didn't undercut him. Maybe I am missing something obvious here, but I watch that video I posted and there is barely any contact.Just because nobody gets hurt doesn't mean it's not dangerous. I think those kind of undercuts are about as dangerous as it gets in the NBA in terms of threat of long term injuries. Well, those and intentionally invading landing spots (which I also think should be flagrants). You don't need to be moved off your spot much going that rate of speed. The players know that, which is why they just let players go when they're beaten. Once they're in the air, if you are not in front of the player or at an angle to contest the actual shot/dunk, you gotta let them go. Or at least challenge up high. You can't do what Giannis did, he definitely made a choice in that moment to chicken wing his arm and push him off his spot with his forearm at hip level. He could have just gone past him.
Fuck Hill. That's from the Lowry School of BS. But not Smart University. Definitely not.
Barely any contact.He didn't undercut him. Maybe I am missing something obvious here, but I watch that video I posted and there is barely any contact.
He was ice cold from midway through the third to the end of that quarter, though. Missed 6 straight before he started hitting again in the 4th.I think Tatum figured the defense out late in the second quarter, from that point it was just about making the shots. Felt like almost every shot from that point was easier for him, and it led to a ton of open looks for others. 30/13/5, and he missed quite a few shots he normally hits.
In the 4th he was decisive and extremely confident, I would bet that he has a special game tomorrow.
It wasn’t a flagrant but it was late and could have been dangerous. GA needs to cut that stuff out (like the JT play in game 3) or he will eventually takes someone’s legs out and get them hurt. For all his greatness he still seems a little immature on the court sometimes.He barely fouled him. He didn't really make a play on the ball, but get out of here with that being anywhere near a flagrant
Yeah I’m talking more about how he looked, not so much the results. He started out the 3rd quarter 3-3, then missed next the next 6, before going 5-6 in the 4th.He was ice cold from midway through the third to the end of that quarter, though. Missed 6 straight before he started hitting again in the 4th.
I have a suggestion for you. Take a piece of string and something heavy and tie that object to the string. Create a pendulum giving that heavy object a nice swing. Near the bottom of the pendulum arc try touch the pendulum object (from perpendicular to its path of motion) with another object of equal weight. Watch what it does to the travel path of the pendulum object. Try to do it as lightly as you can. Now imagine that you are a basketball player fighting gravity (the inverse of your arc), you are at the apex of your arc and someone doesn't meet you from the front - they meet you from the side. Is there no wonder it was a dangerous play?He didn't undercut him. Maybe I am missing something obvious here, but I watch that video I posted and there is barely any contact.
Barely any contact is entirely too much contact on that play. That's really the point. Giannis made absolutely no attempt at the ball. Just because he failed to injure Jaylen doesn't really change the calculus. He had no ability to do anything other than commit a reckless foul, which he did, even if Jaylen was able to keep his balance and land (albeit awkwardly). Maybe Giannis only got him with 5% of his force, but 6% and we might not see Jaylen again the playoffs. That's what makes it dangerous.He didn't undercut him. Maybe I am missing something obvious here, but I watch that video I posted and there is barely any contact.
I was stunned it wasn't a flagrant because that could be a season ending play - and it's the second time Giannis has done that on a fast break in this series. Remember Paul George annihilating his knee on the stanchion in the olympics? That kind of foul is inviting that injury - it's just totally reckless, and IMO worse than an elbow to the face.Honestly, flagrant call aside - I don't know how anyone can not say that wasn't a dangerous play.
Completely agree on this. Don't forget JB is moving at an incredible speed and jumping almost as high as he can. In doing so, he needs a clear space to land and must decelerate instantly before tangling with the stanchion and/or spectators/seats. There's very little margin for error. A misstep here and he can tear a ligament, crash to the floor, etc. and potentially be lost for the season. Given those are the stakes, any body contact save for a play on the ball should be avoided completely. We know GA has inhuman strength. His "barely touch" is not your nor my "barely touch." Add in the speed and leap factors and it's just unnecessarily dangerous all around. As someone who has criticized this team in the past for not showing much appetite for pushing back outside of MS, I loved JB's reaction. It's justified and a very necessary corrective. If anything, it'll get the ref's notice that stuff might get out of hand if they don't tighten the reins on these shenanigans.Barely any contact is entirely too much contact on that play. That's really the point. Giannis made absolutely no attempt at the ball. Just because he failed to injure Jaylen doesn't really change the calculus. He had no ability to do anything other than commit a reckless foul, which he did, even if Jaylen was able to keep his balance and land (albeit awkwardly). Maybe Giannis only got him with 5% of his force, but 6% and we might not see Jaylen again the playoffs. That's what makes it dangerous.
Very hard to see in full speed there too, but in addition to the arm pushing Jaylen, Giannis leg makes contact with Jaylen's legs. That shit just can't happen in that moment, and that's the stuff the league has tried to legislate out. I also don't think it was a flagrant, but it was about a millisecond from being a flagrant 2.
The huge difference to me was especially Tatum making shots.. I remember him missing at least 5? In the third off the top of my head.. two layups, two threes and a fall away I think.. the C’s as a team barely missed in the 4th.So is the consensus that the Celtics made their run after going small in the 4th? The third quarter felt like it was almost game over, with Giannis getting anything he wanted. I couldn't identify any major change in strategy watching the game but it seems like people here think it was playing White over Grant, right? Hitting their shots in the 4th probably helped keep the Bucks out of transition too
It can only be if that person has never played basketball and had anything like that happen to him at even half the height and half the speed that these guys are going at.I have a suggestion for you. Take a piece of string and something heavy and tie that object to the string. Create a pendulum giving that heavy object a nice swing. Near the bottom of the pendulum arc try touch the pendulum object (from perpendicular to its path of motion) with another object of equal weight. Watch what it does to the travel path of the pendulum object. Try to do it as lightly as you can. Now imagine that you are a basketball player fighting gravity (the inverse of your arc), you are at the apex of your arc and someone doesn't meet you from the front - they meet you from the side. Is there no wonder it was a dangerous play?
Oh, and then "he should have made the basket as well"? Watch the play again, see where the point of contact was, and then estimate how much time Brown had to readjust while ALSO thinking about safely landing after his balance and flight path have been changed. Because at that speed, and at that height, a crash is unlikely to lead to a pop back up and resume play for Brown.
Honestly, flagrant call aside - I don't know how anyone can say that wasn't a dangerous play.
Deuce is a handful?Celtics in the playoffs:
3+ days rest: 1-2 (The one win at buzzer Game 1, Brooklyn)
1-2 days rest: 5-0
Anything to that? (SSS caveats) Next 3 scheduled with 1 day off between games.
Probably not. A bunch of close games that could have went either way. The one thing I have noticed is we don’t play well during the day or more specifically…..Tatum does not play well during the day. I always view day games as mostly crapshoots bc there is more variance in performance but it always seems we are on the wrong end. I haven’t back checked at all I’m only going on memory.Celtics in the playoffs:
3+ days rest: 1-2 (The one win at buzzer Game 1, Brooklyn)
1-2 days rest: 5-0
Anything to that? (SSS caveats) Next 3 scheduled with 1 day off between games.
I have played plenty of hoops in my day, so no need for the condescension. We are allowed to disagree on things - it is what makes these sort of boards interesting. I am just not seeing this play as some crazy egregious act. The Brooks one, for sure. This one, not so much. The only place I hear anyone talking about this particular dirty Giannis play is in this place.It can only be if that person has never played basketball and had anything like that happen to him at even half the height and half the speed that these guys are going at.
He did drop 54 on Brooklyn at 1 pm on a Sunday in March.Probably not. A bunch of close games that could have went either way. The one thing I have noticed is we don’t play well during the day or more specifically…..Tatum does not play well during the day. I always view day games as mostly crapshoots bc there is more variance in performance but it always seems we are on the wrong end. I haven’t back checked at all I’m only going on memory.
Ah there ya go. I forgot that but it represents a perfect example of the afternoon variance that I preach. Awful, Incredible, Awful, etc.He did drop 54 on Brooklyn at 1 pm on a Sunday in March.
Not trying to be condescending.. but if you've played hoops you then know how much someone putting a hand on your hip can steer you and how much it can move you when you're up in the air. It's just really dangerous because your body is thrown off on how it's going to land..especially if you're running and collecting for a dunk. All you have to really review is Jalen's face after he lands.. he's pissed... and why would that be other than he felt like Giannis was trying to hurt him by pushing him? We can have disagreements and that's fine.. but physics is physics.I have played plenty of hoops in my day, so no need for the condescension. We are allowed to disagree on things - it is what makes these sort of boards interesting. I am just not seeing this play as some crazy egregious act. The Brooks one, for sure. This one, not so much. The only place I hear anyone talking about this particular dirty Giannis play is in this place.
Did any of those open looks come from a defensive breakdown? They have mostly looked like schemed shots due to the drop coverage they play.Matthews' defense looks a LOT worse if Tatum knocks down even a few of those wide open shots he missed the last couple of games. Yes he's made SOME shots hard for Tatum, but Tatum has missed some wide open looks. (well wide open by NBA standards)
+1Very hard to see in full speed there too, but in addition to the arm pushing Jaylen, Giannis leg makes contact with Jaylen's legs. That shit just can't happen in that moment, and that's the stuff the league has tried to legislate out. I also don't think it was a flagrant, but it was about a millisecond from being a flagrant 2.
Agreed, he's taking it up a notch in the playoffs and the refs are letting more stuff go in the playoffs. That combination along with a 7 game series raises the odds for a season-ending injury to a Celtic.It isn’t like Giannis isn’t taking a beating himself. If Pritchard’s body check to his hip in the lane was a few inches lower his ACL is in danger. Point is…..this is a physical, a VERY physical playoff series. Shit is going to happen.
As if. There will not be a game 7. Celts in 6.FYI, Game 7 will more than likely be a day game.
Dishing dimes old school Scotty Skiles style.This is the way.