Celtics announce their SL roster to include the maximum of 4 veterans of Olynyk, Pressey, Babb, and Johnson (no Vitor!).
http://hoopshype.com/summer_leagues.htm
http://hoopshype.com/summer_leagues.htm
Still out recovering from his meniscus surgery from March. They must have found more damage than initially reported for him to still not be cleared nearly 4 months later.Grin&MartyBarret said:Is Vitor, perhaps, playing for Brazil this summer? I did a quick search and couldn't find anything one way or another.
HomeRunBaker said:Celtics announce their SL roster to include the maximum of 4 veterans of Olynyk, Pressey, Babb, and Johnson (no Vitor!).
http://hoopshype.com/summer_leagues.htm
That was written today but no mention that Young has missed all the practices this week and not yet cleared to play with neck injury from car accident last month.wade boggs chicken dinner said:Some information on the C's summer team here: http://hoopshabit.com/2014/07/02/boston-celtics-breaking-summer-league-roster/
First game 7.5.
The game was close. In the last few minutes he hit a jumper to put the C's up by 5. Made two free throws. Had a key steal. Those plays were important.Papelbon's Poutine said:How does one make "several game winning plays"?
I disagree with this.bowiac said:Marcus Smart should basically not be doing anything but taking threes in his free time. I'm a crazy person, but I think he's a 33% three point shot away from being one of the best PGs in the NBA.
I have a preference for perimeter shooting because of the spacing benefits it conveys. Although shooting 5-16 feet may be more helpful for Smart's point total, I suspect (with some evidence to support me) that there are outsized benefits to three point shooting in terms of making your teammates more effective. These benefits are not as clearly felt with the midrange game, as it doesn't draw the help defense as far out of position.Cellar-Door said:I disagree with this.
Marcus Smart should be spending his time working on scoring from 5-16 feet. He's going to be a driver, he needs to be able to make baskets when he can't get all the way to the rim.
bowiac said:Marcus Smart should basically not be doing anything but taking threes in his free time. I'm a crazy person, but I think he's a 33% three point shot away from being one of the best PGs in the NBA.
From what I've seen, yes and no. When he shoots off the dribble, his mechanics look decent. Strangely, his form is better when he's moving to his left. Don't ask me why. His free throw form look ok.JakeRae said:Smart needs to work on his basic shooting mechanics.
He was a .295 guy in college, I'd randomly peg him at like a .250 guy in the NBA?radsoxfan said:Out of curiosity, what % NBA 3 point shooter do you think Smart is right now? High 20's? Mid 20's? Low 20's?
I can only assume you think Smart is REALLY good overall as a player right now, if all it will take is a 5-10% 3 PT shooting % bump to become one of the best PGs in the league.
A small 3 point shooting bump would be nice (and help with floor spacing a bit), but thats a pretty minor thing in the grand scheme of things.
Russel Westbrook shoots 30%. Derrick Rose shoots 31%. John Wall is 31%. Kemba Walker is 32%. Tony Parker is 32%.bowiac said:However, without being a 3 point threat, I think it's tough to be an impact player as a guard/wing in the NBA today. There are no PGs I like who don't have a 3 point shot. There are only a couple SGs I like without one. I think it's a really big deal in today's NBA.
You're giving me career rates for a bunch of guys who couldn't shoot the three their first couple years in the league. A lot of those guys I don't think were good as rookies/sophomores. And they all meet my theoretical threshold.swingin val said:Russel Westbrook shoots 30%. Derrick Rose shoots 31%. John Wall is 31%. Kemba Walker is 32%. Tony Parker is 32%.
Those guys are arguably all top 10 point guards in the NBA and they struggle to shoot the three, yet they all succeed for various reasons, whether it be athleticism, defense, quickness, creativity, etc. I am not sure a PG needs to be a 37% plus shooter to succeed.
bowiac said:
The threshold I talked about was "between 30 and 37%", where all of these guys are. They're on the low end (other than Wall, who I really don't think was good before this year). That's also why I set a pretty low target for Smart (.33%), not .370 or something. You don't need to be Damian Lillard or something - just a credible three point threat.
That's basically fair, yeah. I think in a couple years, apart from outside shooting, he might be among the best PGs in the league, yes (almost nobody is good as a rookie). As I said, I'm a crazy person when it comes to Smart.radsoxfan said:The only way making that 8% jump in 3 point shooting would turn Smart into one of the best PGs in the league is if he is already pretty close to being one of the best point guards in the league. Theoretically I suppose that could be true, but I'd like to see it first.
Jordan Adams made 5-of-12 from the field and all eight attempts from the line for 22 points vs. the Thunder on Saturday, adding three rebounds, three assists, four steals, one block, one turnover and four 3-pointers.
bowiac said:
That's basically fair, yeah. I think in a couple years, apart from outside shooting, he might be among the best PGs in the league, yes (almost nobody is good as a rookie). As I said, I'm a crazy person when it comes to Smart.
In other news, sabermetric superstar Jordan Adams killed it in his first summer league game. He's a fun flash point guy for the importance of college steals.
On the other hand, data for players with any NBA experience can be totally discounted.By contrast, the correlation of .463 for rookies is far higher. In fact, it's nearly as strong as the relationship between my college stat translations and rookie performance (.468). When we combine the two factors to try to predict how well players will fare as rookies, summer-league stats make up about a quarter of the combined projection.
DannyDarwinism said:And on the flip side, there's his former teammate, Zach Lavine, who has off-the-charts athleticism, but managed less than half of the steal percentage of Adams, and apparently only managed 0.6 steals per game while in high school. That seems remarkably low for what was, presumably, a high-usage (based off of his 29 ppg), high minutes guard. It's one of the reasons I'm skeptical of Lavine- despite his athleticism and decent shooting stroke, I suspect he just doesn't have a very good court sense.
bowiac said:Marcus Smart should basically not be doing anything but taking threes in his free time. I'm a crazy person, but I think he's a 33% three point shot away from being one of the best PGs in the NBA.
Marbleheader said:Isiah says Birds steal haunts him every time he sees him.
Marbleheader said:Smart at pg now. 9-0 run since he took over. Impressed with his D. Olynyk sucks.
Marbleheader said:Smart at pg now. 9-0 run since he took over. Impressed with his D. Olynyk sucks.
Young hurt his neck in a car accident a month ago and hadn't been cleared up until the weekend. Did you here he was cleared and reinjured?Marbleheader said:Nice dish by Smart. Interesting they are playing him at the 2. Young hurt in practice, may not play.
Just air balled a wide open 3bowiac said:Marcus Smart should basically not be doing anything but taking threes in his free time. I'm a crazy person, but I think he's a 33% three point shot away from being one of the best PGs in the NBA.
Marbleheader said:Nice dish by Smart. Interesting they are playing him at the 2. Young hurt in practice, may not play.
Olynyk was way better last year than we had any right to expect honestly. He was a mid first round pick in the worst draft anyone can remember. He wasn't good, but he wildly exceeded my expectations.zenter said:He owned SL last year, and that led to crapitude during the season. Maybe sucking now is a good thing.
bowiac said:Olynyk was way better last year than we had any right to expect honestly. He was a mid first round pick in the worst draft anyone can remember. He wasn't good, but he wildly exceeded my expectations.
No doubt Antetokounmpo is a much better prospect, but Olynyk showed more ability to shoot the ball than I'd have guessed. I'm loathe to compare him to another lumbering white center, but Spencer Hawes is a plausible outcome. That's not great, but a rotation player is fine for that draft position.DannyDarwinism said:I was fairly down on him going into the draft, but I was happy to be wrong based on what he showed last year. I'd still prefer Antetokounmpo, and I do wonder if Ainge would've gone with Adams if he had lasted, but I'm eager to see how Olynyk will improve this year.