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Celebrating What Is

Discussion in 'Blinded by the Lombardis: Patriots Forum' started by mwonow, Sep 14, 2015.

  1. E5 Yaz

    E5 Yaz Transcends message boarding Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    You don't finish "in first place" if you lose the tiebreaker. You just have the same record as the division winner
     
  2. tims4wins

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  3. Dogman2

    Dogman2 Yukon Cornelius Dope

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    Housekeeping, you want me to fluff pillows?
     
  4. InstaFace

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    Only if you wear the French maid outfit.

    Speaking of the subservient, the Jets have extra motivation to lose on sunday because they're in line for a top pick, potentially #1. If that ain't celebrating what is, I don't know, uh, what is.
     
  5. kelpapa

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    Saw this on reddit earlier today. Since 2010, four teams have not played in the wild card round of the playoffs.

    Browns, bucs, bears and... the Patriots
     
  6. BostonWolverine

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    that is amazing
     
  7. simplyeric

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    I think it’s ‘I don’t know what what is is’ but what is is what it is, and it is what you think.
     
  8. LaszloKovacks

    LaszloKovacks Member SoSH Member

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    Edit: Wrong thread
     
  9. BigSoxFan

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    Seasons over .500 since 2001:

    Pats: 18
    Dolphins/Jets/Bills: 17
     
  10. Seels

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    The Pats finished 4th in offense, making it the 9th year in a row they've had a top four offense.

    They also finished with a +111 point differential, making it the 13th year in a row they've had above +100 (and 15 of 16 with 2005 being the exception).

    It's their 16th year with 10+ wins.

    This also puts Brady just 22 touch downs behind Manning, which barring something unforeseen, he'll pass next year. He'll pass Manning in pro football references AV and weighted AV as soon as those stats update for the year. He'll probably pass Manning in yards around week 6-7 of next year.

    Brady is 21 wins ahead of Favre/Manning for 2nd place. 4th place is Brees who is 51 wins behind....so Brady is probably going to finish his career so far ahead of anyone it's going to be like Cy Young's win record.

    Montana has 16 playoff wins, Manning has 14. Brady has 27. 4 more playoff wins puts him ahead of both the other guys argued for GOAT combined.
     
  11. DrewDawg

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    5th in league in point differential and only Ravens, Texans, Titans, Jags, Cowboys, and Bears allowed fewer points.
     
  12. PedroKsBambino

    PedroKsBambino Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    So, as of next weekend it will be just Browns, Bucs, and Pats.
     
  13. tims4wins

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    Does any team have 13 playoff appearances beginning in 2001? Cuz the Pats have 13... byes.
     
  14. Rudy's Curve

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    The Packers do.
     
  15. tims4wins

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    13. Yes. Correct. So the next best team in the NFL has as many playoff appearances as the Pats have byes in the TB12/BB era.
     
  16. NortheasternPJ

    NortheasternPJ Member SoSH Member

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    27 wins pretty much all in the Divisional Round or later too. Not many wild card tomato cans to make it even more impressive.
     
  17. OurF'ingCity

    OurF'ingCity Member SoSH Member

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    Remember when Brady vs. Manning was considered a legitimate debate?
     
  18. BaseballJones

    BaseballJones goalpost mover SoSH Member

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    I'm still wondering how the NFL concluded so quickly that nothing happened when HGH was shipped to his house, while he was recovering from serious neck surgery, which led to Peyton having a record-setting season, which, when discovered, led to Peyton's lawyers sending men at night to go rifling through his files at the Guyer institute, and sent guys to the home of Charlie Sly's parents impersonating police detectives (later explaining that they were P.I.s).

    Nothing to see here.
     
  19. PC Drunken Friar

    PC Drunken Friar Member SoSH Member

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    To be fair...I'd be very surprised is Brady was 100% clean.
     
  20. BaseballJones

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    Not to derail the thread but you might be right...but frigging HGH was shipped to Peyton's house - confirmed - at a time when he's recovering from neck surgery. A guy (Charlie Sly) who is proven to have helped other athletes use PEDs was involved in the Peyton situation and said he got this for Peyton. Peyton's guys go to "talk to" Sly's parents and rifle through files at the Guyer Institute. Peyton miraculously recovers from career-threatening injury and goes on to post record-breaking numbers.

    Peyton's only defense was: "These were for my wife and it's none of your business." And that was that.

    If this exact situation had happened and it was Tom Brady and not Peyton Manning....we all know that there's NO WAY Brady skates, and NO WAY he gets a clean response from the media.

    Ok, enough of that....
     
  21. JohnnyTheBone

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    When you're right, you're right, and you are dead-on-balls accurate, my friend. Happy New Year!
     
  22. Morgan's Magic Snowplow

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  23. BaseballJones

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    Let's compare the Patriots vs. the best team in the NFL each year, by regular season record. So this is not just Pats vs. the field...it's Pats vs. the very best team in the field. Obviously the Pats' record will be worse, but this will be interesting.....

    2001: NE 11-5, StL 14-2 (-3)
    2002: NE 9-7, Phi, GB, TB 12-4 (-3)
    2003: NE 14-2, KC 13-3 (+1)
    2004: NE 14-2, Pit 15-1 (-1)
    2005: NE 10-6, Ind 14-2 (-4)
    2006: NE 12-4, SD 14-2 (-2)
    2007: NE 16-0, Ind, Dal, GB 13-3 (+3)
    2008: NE 11-5, Ten 13-3 (-2)
    2009: NE 10-6, Ind 14-2 (-4)
    2010: NE 14-2, Atl 13-3 (+1)
    2011: NE 13-3, GB 15-1 (-2)
    2012: NE 12-4, Den, Atl 13-3 (-1)
    2013: NE 12-4, Den, Sea 13-3 (-1)
    2014: NE 12-4, Den, Dal, GB, Sea 12-4 (0)
    2015: NE 12-4, Car 15-1 (-3)
    2016: NE 14-2, Dal 13-3 (+1)
    2017: NE 13-3, Phi, Min, Pit 13-3 (0)
    2018: NE 11-5, NO, LAR 13-3 (-2)

    TOTALS:
    - New England: 220-68 (.764)
    - Field's Best: 242-46 (.840)

    So over 18 seasons cumulatively, the Patriots are just 22 games behind each year's best team in the field. When you think about it, that's absolutely astonishing.
     
  24. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    How does Indy have 19 seasons from 2001 to 2018?
     
  25. simplyeric

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    HGH
     
  26. InstaFace

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    Count the bannerz, yo.
     
  27. DrewDawg

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    They've only been the clear top team 4 times in 18 years?????????????????????? Unacceptable.
     
  28. simplyeric

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    Five rings....
     
  29. E5 Yaz

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    Mike Reiss ESPN Staff Writer
    Patriots CB Stephon Gilmore was named first-team All-Pro today, as the 50 voters paired Gilmore with the Bears' Kyle Fuller as the two best cornerbacks in the NFL this season.
     
  30. koufax32

    koufax32 He'll cry if he wants to... SoSH Member

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    Remember when we were arguing about how to dump him at the start of last year?
    Good times.
     
  31. Saints Rest

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    Cordarelle Patterson made 2nd Team All-Pro as KR. He was the only other Patriot honored.
     
  32. Saints Rest

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    Meanwhile, over at Pro Football Focus, Shaq Mason and Gilmore made 1st Team All-Pro, while Trey Flowers and Albert McClellan (as ST) made 2nd Team.
     
  33. kenneycb

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    Happy Belichick resignation from the Jets anniversary!
     
  34. simplyeric

    simplyeric aggressively nonsensical SoSH Member

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    That should be added to the Death Pool bonus days.
     
  35. Ed Hillel

    Ed Hillel Wants to be startin somethin SoSH Member

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    And Jason McCourty was ranked 6th best corner in football, which reminds us once again why PFF is kinda whack.
     
  36. jaytftwofive

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    Speaking of bad years I remember the Clive Rush year and a half. Anybody old enough to remember that? 1969 and half of 1970. Mike Holovak was fired in 68 so Sullivan hired the Jets assistant offensive guru who orchestrated the Jets upset of the Colts in Super Bowl III. He was one of the final two candidates for the Pats head coaching job along with a young Colts assistant coach. At his first press conference he picked up the microphone and was jolted by a short and hit the floor. Quite an omen. They finished 4-10 in 69 playing home games at B.C.'s alumni field then he quit halfway through the 1970 season after a nervous breakdown.( Finished 2-12)They played home games at Harvard Stadium in 70. Rumor had it he had drinking problems. Kind of made sense because my family and I at the time lived in the same town he lived in (Wellesley). He ran a red light with his big Buick Electra 225 with Mass. License plate RUSH and nearly hit my mom driving in her car. He did go on to coach a title team at the Merchant Marine Academy but died of a heart attack in the summer of 1980 at only 49. Oh that Colts assistant that Sullivan passed on......his name was Chuck Noll. And he got hired by another team, lol. So I guess we have nothing to complain about today I would say. I did love some of those Fairbanks team in the 70's Especially 74 and 76.
     
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  37. Dick Drago

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    The ‘74 team was so exciting—but killed, absolutely demolished by injuries halfway through the season. But Mack Herron and Cunningham in the backfield—just so fun to watch.

    And ‘76 was such a rebirth—the drafts were really amazing and the loss of Fairbanks really ended that run.

    There are some old games on YouTube from back then which I geeked out and watched. It reminds me of how great Russ Francis was—if we think Gronkowski gets mugged—guys tried to basically tackle him every play. He was really fast and a great blocker.

    I loved Grogan, especially in his post-Eason years. But as great as he was running and made amazing throws—he was raw and threw so many ridiculous interceptions. It’s difficult to look back, the game is so different—but their ground game was one of the best ever, maybe more of a “game manager” QB those years would have taken them further.
     
  38. Al Zarilla

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    About Grogan, I remember someone saying he thought that he could throw the ball through a DBs chest to get it to his receiver, thinking his arm was that strong. Kind of a right handed Steve Young except he didn’t get to play on as many great teams and, yeah, the interceptions.
     
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    One of the best games of 74 was in late October when they beat the the Vikings in a close come from behind win. I think they were 6-1 or 6-2.
     
  40. jaytftwofive

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    Loved Francis but it was so annoying when Cosell would call him "All world Russ Francis"
     
  41. snowmanny

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    That's the game in which Bob Windsor got his knee (and his career) destroyed in the closing seconds while fighting to get into the end zone for the game winning score. Absolutely one of the most heroic moments in Boston sports history.


    From Will McDonoughs's game article (sorry, not linkable):
    Too bad the Pats bookended that game with fuck ups against the Bills.
     
  42. jaytftwofive

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    Even 71 was a much improved year that first year in Foxboro. 6-8 and victories over Raiders, Colts and Dolphins. It looked like a very good future for Plunkett and Pats. But then ugh 3-11 in 72 and 5-9 in 73. I liked the Fairbanks hiring though.
     
  43. mwonow

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    I remember that game - Windsor was definitely a hero.
     
  44. Dick Drago

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    Yeah—Vikings had just scored. I think that’s the TD where tarkenton fires the ball at Ron Bolton. Pats knocked off Dolphins, Rams, Vikings, 3 of the best teams in the league. Good run ‘till all the injuries hit.
     
  45. dynomite

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    During the interminable bye week, I decided to go back and relive a few of the classic Patriots playoff games during odd times and off hours.

    What continues to amaze me is how many of their quintessential wins were nail biters that came down to a few plays, a few inches, a bounce of a ball in one direction or another. I know you could say that about many games and teams, but I often compare the Pats to the Super Bowl champions of my youth, when the idea of making a Super Bowl and having your team's logo in one end zone and the whole country watching you play was a miraculous accomplishment.

    Take the '89 49ers, who won the Divisional Round by 28 points, the NFC Championship by 27 points, and the Super Bowl by 45 points (!). Or the '85 Bears, for whom it was 21 points, 24 points, and (ugh) 36 points. Or the '84 Raiders, who won by 28, 16, and 29.

    By contrast I think about the '01 Patriots winning by 3 points in overtime in the snow, then by a TD in Pittsburgh, and then on a last-second FG against the Rams. Any one of those games could have turned out differently if any one of dozens of plays had turned out differently.

    We always reference the Tuck Rule, but have you re-watched the Snow Bowl recently? With 2:30 left and the Pats down by 3, Oakland had a 2nd and 3 at their 42. With only 2 timeouts left, if the Pats give up a 1st down here they (at best) get the ball back with a minute left and no timeouts.

    Instead, Tebucky Jones comes up to stop Charlie Garner just short on 2nd down, and then on 3rd and 1 the defense stops Zack Crockett a foot shy.

    Amazing.
     
  46. Al Zarilla

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    The hiring was good but the leaving was crushing.
     
  47. InstaFace

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    If it were Belichick on the other side line, or an average NFL coach in 2018, do you think they go for it on 4th and a foot there? Considering kicks were netting like 25 yards that day...
     
  48. dynomite

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    I was thinking about that. It's possible, and we've seen Belichick do things like that, but ultimately I don't think so.

    If you rewind to that moment, Gruden is deciding whether to punt to a rookie (basically) QB playing in his first playoff game (isn't that insane), in conditions and footing where any FG kick is iffy. It seems responsible to punt it to the ~25 and make him drive 50 yards to get into FG range.
     
  49. tims4wins

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    Yeah I agree with this
     
  50. mwonow

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