It’s a terrible contract. $120mil? Ouch.Guys, I'm starting to think Michael Jordan isn't great at this
It’s a terrible contract. $120mil? Ouch.Guys, I'm starting to think Michael Jordan isn't great at this
It is, but another way to think about it is that at some point in the ensuring years Hayward’s salary slot was going away due to the luxury tax. If they had brought back Hayward, or traded for someone with a similar salary, that would just mean in the future they’d have to trade Kemba into some other team’s cap space or not re-sign Smart.This is not good. Charlotte only needs to clear 7.5M so this may not even be a S&T. Just the worst case scenario we discussed all week
Then they should have traded them earlier. That's a legit criticism, losing big money players for nothing is really bad in the NBA. Kyrie was decent because it was getting under the cap for Kemba. This is just generally bad, made worse by it taking so long that the best MLE players signed alreadyDumb narrative. The Celtics didn't want to keep either of these guys by the end.
LOLWould a S+T for LaMelo Ball work?
He's at 7.8m but I'm not sure if he counts against the cap yet or what.
He pretty much already did in the regular season.View: https://twitter.com/davidaldridgedc/status/1330220907424526339
Aldridge reporting it's fully guaranteed. It's a crazy contract unless he actually returns to form.
I like that you jumped in to say there's no way Boston gets Devonte' Graham, an undersized second round pick whose role in the offense with Rozier and Ball in the fold is at the very least murky, then proposed something dramatically more preposterous.Would a S+T for LaMelo Ball work?
Bananaland for Charlotte. They never learn.View: https://twitter.com/davidaldridgedc/status/1330220907424526339
Aldridge reporting it's fully guaranteed. It's a crazy contract unless he actually returns to form.
He was joking.I like that you jumped in to say there's no way Boston gets Devonte' Graham, then proposed something dramatically more preposterous.
It's good to be back on SoSH.
Yeah—this is the point I made a day or so ago. I am sure Ainge was actively exploring and perhaps close to keeping Hayward but you really are hurting team short term when you aim high and miss in a cap world.Then they should have traded them earlier. That's a legit criticism, losing big money players for nothing is really bad in the NBA. Kyrie was decent because it was getting under the cap for Kemba. This is just generally bad, made worse by it taking so long that the best MLE players signed already
That deal is truly shockingBananaland for Charlotte. They never learn.
When were they supposed to trade Hayward? The year he was out for the year, the year where he looked like a corpse with 2 max years left or the year where he had no trade value because he had an opt out and they were trying to win a title anyway?Then they should have traded them earlier. That's a legit criticism, losing big money players for nothing is really bad in the NBA. Kyrie was decent because it was getting under the cap for Kemba. This is just generally bad, made worse by it taking so long that the best MLE players signed already
ThisIndy overplayed their hand, now they're stuck in no mans land with really no hope of getting much better for years
It was a joke. I don't want Ball.I like that you jumped in to say there's no way Boston gets Devonte' Graham, an undersized second round pick whose role in the offense with Rozier and Ball in the fold is at the very least murky, then proposed something dramatically more preposterous.
It's good to be back on SoSH.
My belief is they had deals this off-season but couldn’t agree on the pieces. I think that’s pretty likely as to Indiana.When were they supposed to trade Hayward? The year he was out for the year, the year where he looked like a corpse with 2 max years left or the year where he had no trade value because he had an opt out and they were trying to win a title anyway?
That goes double for kyrie, no idea when you thought they should have traded him even moreso.
Agreed as to Ind. whether Celtics also lose out is still in play, but very much TBDThis
They were never trading Kyrie.Then they should have traded them earlier. That's a legit criticism, losing big money players for nothing is really bad in the NBA. Kyrie was decent because it was getting under the cap for Kemba. This is just generally bad, made worse by it taking so long that the best MLE players signed already
Sorry, my sarcasm detector missed on this. There's been so much weird shit thrown around lately - which I admit to being occasionally complicit in - that I didn't read it that way.It was a joke. I don't want Ball.
Nothing you can do about it. This was always in play once he didn’t opt in.We can laugh at Charlotte but if there’s nothing coming back other East contenders are happy.
I understand. But laughing at an irrelevant Hornets team doesn’t do much for me. Its not like it’s the Sixers or something.Nothing you can do about it. This was always in play once he didn’t opt in.
the celtics couldn't trade hayward this offseason without his wanting to go there and being happy about the moneyMy belief is they had deals this off-season but couldn’t agree on the pieces. I think that’s pretty likely as to Indiana.
What should we do then? People are going to pile on Danny Ainge, but it’s quite possible the Pacers talk was overblown and not as close as the media portrayed. If GH wanted Indiana that bad and prioritized location over money , he’d have taken the 4/100 deal of that in fact was the offer. He wanted to maximize his earnings which is what every player should do.I understand. But laughing at an irrelevant Hornets team doesn’t do much for me. Its not like it’s the Sixers or something.
Last summer Hayward looked like a bench player with 2 max years left, what were they supposed to move him for that made more sense than hoping he returned to form?They were never trading Kyrie.
Gordon maybe should have been moved last summer but the Celtics were worried about developing a reputation for dumping guys after injuries.
Wyc saved a lot of money. That's about it sadly.On the bright side, this frees up space under the salary cap, right? Or does it not, for some weird reason related to inscrutable cap logic?
I’m well aware—reread my post.the celtics couldn't trade hayward this offseason without his wanting to go there and being happy about the money
It seems like it should free up the Celtics to make mid-season acquisitions of players whose teams underperform expectations.On the bright side, this frees up space under the salary cap, right? Or does it not, for some weird reason related to inscrutable cap logic?
But any deal was contingent on hayward wanting to go there. Clearly he didn't want to go to indy that badly or he wouldn't be signing with charlotte today so even if they worked out a deal he still would have had to want to go there over the charlotte money so it doesn't really matter what deals the cs had worked out once he was already a free agentI’m well aware—reread my post.
If Ainge didn’t see this as a possibility he should be fired on the spot—Zach Lowe (among many others) noted it was something to watch out for.I have to assume Hayward’s agent knew 24 hours ago that Charlotte would be making an offer of this magnitude. Danny was already dead; he just didn’t know it.
Indy could only offer him what the MLE? It’s about the S&T options and the resulting contract. Indy’s interest is widely reported and he owns a house there. No way to know but I don’t know that you’re seeing all the levels hereBut any deal was contingent on hayward wanting to go there. Clearly he didn't want to go to indy that badly or he wouldn't be signing with charlotte today so even if they worked out a deal he still would have had to want to go there over the charlotte money so it doesn't really matter what deals the cs had worked out once he was already a free agent
What is strange about it? Both Hayward and the Celtics hedged to see the market develop, and here we are.Would Charlotte be open to an S&T where Ainge threw in a 2nd round pick? Charlotte picks up a draft pick for nothing, probably doesn't care about being hard-capped, and Ainge at least secures a TPE.
Until we know what options Ainge had with regards to an S&T w/ Indiana (or elsewhere), it's impossible to say that there was anything he could have done. It's indeed strange that the Celtics were able to get Hayward to delay his opt-out by 48 hours and still essentially lost him for nil.
EDIT: Never mind. Jordan screws over two franchises with the stroke of his pen.
Gordo's used to playing in the shadows of storied college teams in college towns. BC just didn't cast a big enough shadow.Why would he want to go to Charlotte?
Must be the money. This is MJ the exec.
I think with no Hayward they duck below the tax enough and will have the full non taxpayer MLEWyc saved a lot of money. That's about it sadly.