Bruins Trade Deadline 2016

[McDrew]

Weird question, but can salary retainment be a conditional term of a trade? IE Team X will retain a pro-rated $1M/season of players salary unless team Y advances to the conference finals, in which case team X's retention of salary is cancelled? (You can have this player in a trade, but if he helps you, you take on more of his salary going forward)

 

[LogansDad]

That seems like it would have serious cap circumventing implications, so I doubt it is allowed.

 

[MiracleOfO2704]

Since no one has noted this yet, The B's drafts in the next 2 years in the top 3 rounds differ from their slotted picks in the following ways:
The B's own San Jose's 2016 first round pick.
The B's own the Islanders 2016 second round pick.
The B's own Edmonton's 2016 second round pick, but Edmonton has the right before the 2016 draft to defer that pick to 2017. Given that this pick might be in the mid 30's overall, Edmonton might defer.
The B's do NOT own their 2016 second round pick
The B's do NOT own ther 2017 3rd round pick.

FUCKIN' RINALDO!

 

[PedroSpecialK]

Nope all salary retention is final at the point of trade barring retirement of a non-age 35+ contract IIRC, so no conditional salary retention.

Bruins can only retain two salaries for the rest of this year as they are retaining half of Lucic's cap hit for LAK

 

[The B’s Knees]

Dreger reporting on TSN last night that Loui and the B's are discussing an extension, and he'd be looking for roughly $6mil/yr

 

[TFP]

Dreger reporting on TSN last night that Loui and the B's are discussing an extension, and he'd be looking for roughly $6mil/yr

I saw people reference it on twitter last night but couldn't find it actually written anywhere. I assume he was saying it on the broadcast?

 

[The B’s Knees]

I saw people reference it on twitter last night but couldn't find it actually written anywhere. I assume he was saying it on the broadcast?

Yeah, I was watching it live at the time on TSN, but I believe this is the podcast...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider-trading-the-latest-on-drouin~791400

 

[cshea]

It seems like they are doing their due diligence pre-deadline. They need a ballpark idea of what it will take to keep him here and then they can make decisions based off that knowledge. 4 years, $6 AAV would be fine with me. If he wants 5 or 6 years, hopefully they could get the AAV below $6 million.

 

[The Napkin]

4 years, $6 AAV would be fine with me. If he wants 5 or 6 years, hopefully they could get the AAV below $6 million.

sold

 

[FL4WL3SS]

I'd be all over 4 years @ $6M. As cshea says, if it's 5-6 years, I'd want that number closer to $5M.

Only Krejci, Bergeron, Beleskey, Rask and McQuaid (BAAAAAAARF) are signed past 2018. I think this deal would make a lot of sense.

 

[RIFan]

If he'd take 4 years @ $6M I'd have that paperwork in front of him in a blink of an eye. I'd even throw in an NMC. $6M is a bargin compared to some of the other contracts out there for players not as good he is. I'd strongly consider going 6/$36 without the NMC. The major concern on that is not how poorly he ages, but what happens with the cap if the loonie continues to devalue.

 

[The B’s Knees]

I'd take that as well, as long as it doesn't impact trying to extend Krug after this season, and getting Marchy extended next year. I think these 2 guys are more valuable to the B's than Loui, though I like Loui a lot.
So many unknowns with the cap, and talk of a 59 cent loonie by year end.

 

[burstnbloom]

I'm ok with the number at $6mil as well but the more term there is, the more nervous I will be. Loui doesn't get the credit he deserves. Over the last 2 years he is 9th in Points for RW in the NHL, tied with Jordan Eberle and Marian Hossa.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

I'm ok with the number at $6mil as well but the more term there is, the more nervous I will be. Loui doesn't get the credit he deserves. Over the last 2 years he is 9th in Points for RW in the NHL, tied with Jordan Eberle and Marian Hossa.

I'd like to see a point/minute stat because I bet he'd be better than 9th. We know minutes are suppressed on Claude Julien teams due to his use of depth forwards.

 

[cshea]

In all situations, his points per 60 this year is 2.59, 30th among all forwards with a minimum of 400 minutes TOI. He's 40th with 1.99 p/60 at ES.

 

[burstnbloom]

I'd like to see a point/minute stat because I bet he'd be better than 9th. We know minutes are suppressed on Claude Julien teams due to his use of depth forwards.

He is quite a bit lower than that, actually. His P/60 is 2.15, which is good enough for 23rd among guys that played 110 games over the 2 seasons. The issue is he's number 1 in that group i SH TOI (222 min), which will skew a p/60 stat against him. Blake Wheeler is the only other guy with close to Loui's SH TOI (-3 minutes) in the top 10 in scoring and the next closest is Mark Stone at -70 minutes.

He really is a unique player and will be worth $6 mil as long as he's able to maintain a performance somewhere in between where he has been the last 2 years.

Edit - I'm talking RW only, not all forwards.

 

[TFP]

I'd like to see a point/minute stat because I bet he'd be better than 9th. We know minutes are suppressed on Claude Julien teams due to his use of depth forwards.

Loui is 3rd in the NHL among TOI/GP for RW. So his minutes definitely are not suppressed.

Edit: the point about SH TOI is definitely valid and will reduce his point totals. He's 13th in ES TOI and 21st at PP TOI.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

I'm not being very clear today, my apologies.

I was assuming that SH TOI wasn't a factor when discussing offensive output and minutes.

 

[cshea]

Beyond the scoring and PK stuff, Loui isa possession monster.

55.3% CF, top on the B's. CorsiRel is 5th in the league, 8.3%. (Essentially that means Loui drives possession). He does this without the benefit of playing with Bergeron too.

Here's Loui's WOWY with Krejci this year

Together: 53.9% CF
Eriksson without Krejci: 57.5% CF
Krejci without Eriksson: 43.5%

Loui is excellent.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

What's WOWY?

 

[TFP]

With Or Without You.

With Or Wiiiiiiiiiiiithout You oooohhh ohhhhh.

 

[veritas]

damn, beat me to it

 

[FL4WL3SS]

With Or Without You.

With Or Wiiiiiiiiiiiithout You oooohhh ohhhhh.

I'm so glad you're not procreating.

 

[TFP]

Believe me, so am I. Jealous?

 

[Zososoxfan]

Beyond the scoring and PK stuff, Loui isa possession monster.

55.3% CF, top on the B's. CorsiRel is 5th in the league, 8.3%. (Essentially that means Loui drives possession). He does this without the benefit of playing with Bergeron too.

Here's Loui's WOWY with Krejci this year

Together: 53.9% CF
Eriksson without Krejci: 57.5% CF
Krejci without Eriksson: 43.5%

Loui is excellent.

What's WOWY?

With Or Without You.

With Or Wiiiiiiiiiiiithout You oooohhh ohhhhh.

Skip to 1:45 for actual explanation.

 

[McDrew]

I'm pretty sure the first time I went into a dispensary I had somewhat of the same reaction.

 

[Red Right Ankle]

I posted this in the game thread but the Bs are 2nd in the conference in goal differential and 5th in the league (or so). If they can't re-sign Loui, at this moment, I still wouldn't trade the guy. They may have a legit shot at getting to the Finals out of a weak East, especially if someone can take out the Caps.

 

[burstnbloom]

I agree. They really need to be adding. It is a conference ripe for the picking and despite all the up and down, the B's have some legitimate opportunity here. I'd like to see what packaging one of the young D that they seem reticent to use and Koko could bring back in terms of a cost controlled D-man.

 

[TSC]

Hypothetically - if the Bruins feel they aren't able to re-sign Loui, do they make him available in a deal for Drouin?

Tampa is looking at a deep playoff run this year. Someone like Loui could do a lot for their depth. Drouin could be the Bruins Seguin - someone who has shown flashes, but may need a shot in the ass to wake up and realize his potential.

 

[cshea]

The problem is that there are about 28 teams looking for cost controlled D men, and only a handful likely availabl

I think it will take a lot more than Koko and Morrow to shake one of those D loose from another team. I think Don is going to have to get creative to add a significant piece on D. The teams that may have some D available are Minnesota and St. Louis. Those teams are in more win-now mode and want immediate help, not futures which is where the Bruins have their most tradable assets. If the Jets fall out of it, they'll probably take futures for Byfulgien, but do we want to overpay to rent him?

 

[Eddie Jurak]

Not really fair to mention Drouin and Seguin in the same sentence. Seguin made the Bs in his draft year and was already a reliable goal scorer during his second and third years in the league. Drouin, by contrast, has produced nothing at the NHL level during the 2.5 years since he was drafted.

And if Seguin was so bad that the Bs were willing to sell him off at a deep discount, Drouin does not sound like a guy who will fit in here.

 

[cshea]

That's not really fair to Drouin. Last year he had 32 points in 76 total games. Seguin's rookie year was 29 points in 87 total games. Sure, Drouin had an extra year of junior but I don't really hold that against him. They both made the junior-NHL leap. Drouin has had a weird year so far this season. Lack of ice time, injuries, healthy scratch, etc.

 

[burstnbloom]

The problem is that there are about 28 teams looking for cost controlled D men, and only a handful likely availabl

I think it will take a lot more than Koko and Morrow to shake one of those D loose from another team. I think Don is going to have to get creative to add a significant piece on D. The teams that may have some D available are Minnesota and St. Louis. Those teams are in more win-now mode and want immediate help, not futures which is where the Bruins have their most tradable assets. If the Jets fall out of it, they'll probably take futures for Byfulgien, but do we want to overpay to rent him?

I don't know that we're talking the same level of guys. I'm looking for the next Seidenberg type of trade. I don't think trading for a guy like Shattenkirk is feasible for the reasons you mentioned above. I think a package like that could pull a top 4 guy at a middling salary from a team looking to add depth for the future though, and all the Bruins really need is someone who is solid in their own zone who can skate and make a first pass.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

I don't know that we're talking the same level of guys. I'm looking for the next Seidenberg type of trade. I don't think trading for a guy like Shattenkirk is feasible for the reasons you mentioned above. I think a package like that could pull a top 4 guy at a middling salary from a team looking to add depth for the future though, and all the Bruins really need is someone who is solid in their own zone who can skate and make a first pass.

Who do you have in mind? What guys that fall into that category would potentially be available?

Tyutin?
Georges?
Sekera?
Giordano?

I just don't see those type of guys out there and available.

I really want the Bruins to pursue Hartnell, so maybe a Hartnell/Tyutin trade makes sense for both sides.

 

[burstnbloom]

Who do you have in mind? What guys that fall into that category would potentially be available?

Tyutin?
Georges?
Sekera?
Giordano?

I just don't see those type of guys out there and available.

I really want the Bruins to pursue Hartnell, so maybe a Hartnell/Tyutin trade makes sense for both sides.

I don't know that I have anyone in particular in mind. I didn't have Seidenberg in mind when they acquired him either. Tyutin and Georges would be ok but a little long in the tooth for a package of young guys. Sekera and Giordano aren't quite what I had in mind. If I was splitballing I'd say someone like David Savard (CBJ), Chris Tanev (VAN) or Michael Stone (ARZ). All are important players for their teams but not indispensable by any means. Tanev and Savard have mid level salaries ($4ish) and Stone is about to get an RFA deal around the same. Not that I know that any of those guys are available, but I'd guess any of them could be had for a price.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

Savard is only 25, why would the Blue Jackets give him up? He's going to be a good top-4 for them for a long time.

 

[burstnbloom]

As I said, I'm looking for those types of players, not a Shattenkirk. Teams like CBJ, VAN and ARZ aren't looking to move players like that but if they can bolster their overall depth, they would consider moving them. Savard is not JAG but he's also not a real top pairing guy either. He's likely going to be a decent defender with 28-33 points per year. He is also young enough to not expect a decline and under a manageable contract. My point is just that if they are going to move assets, those are the types that I think make sense.

 

[cshea]

Cam on the Loui extension talks..."There's been a couple of volley's."

Seems like their preference is to sign him.

 

[cshea]

Fluto wrote a bit about the Eriksson situation yesterday.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2016/01/23/bruins-facing-critical-decision-with-loui-eriksson/iw2uqO7aSm9Jm8CW4Mhq8O/story.html

A couple of points...

- Fluto seemed to hint that money may not be a hurdle to getting Loui signed, term might be the bigger issue.
- Minnesota is interested in Loui.
- B's would like Brodin or Dumba.
- B's would need to add to get either of those players. Fluto hypothesizes adding one of our firsts in addition to Eriksson.

Friedman recently mentioned the Preds as another team that would likely have interest in Loui.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

If Loui would take less money for a longer term, why wouldn't the B's be all over that? Unless they're concerned about the injuries/concussion(s). He's the type of player that will age well and will not just drop off a cliff. If, in 4-5 years, he's a solid 3rd liner making $5M for an extra year or two after getting 4 solid years of 1st/2nd line play, I'd call that a win.

 

[cshea]

http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/boston-bruins-seem-certain-to-trade-loui-eriksson-by-deadline

Haggs adds on to What Fluto wrote. Haggs seems to think it is more likely that Loui is traded than signed. He seems to think the Bruins are aiming big, so it's be an Eriksson + + type scenario where the Bruins would add assets to Eriksson to land a young D.

Also, I think it was DJ Bean on Twitter who pointed this out, but perhaps the recent decision to play Spooner on the wing is a look at a contingency for if Loui is traded.

 

[lexrageorge]

If Loui would take less money for a longer term, why wouldn't the B's be all over that? Unless they're concerned about the injuries/concussion(s). He's the type of player that will age well and will not just drop off a cliff. If, in 4-5 years, he's a solid 3rd liner making $5M for an extra year or two after getting 4 solid years of 1st/2nd line play, I'd call that a win.

I didn't read into the article that the Bruins were rejecting the idea of longer term deal at less money. What I read is that the Bruins would be willing to do a short term deal at top dollar, or a longer term deal at a discount, but not both. Fluto implies that Eriksson's agent will be looking for both top dollar and long term, and I really cannot blame the Bruins for saying "no" to a 6 year, $42M deal.

Seems like the team is being prudent by looking at what it would take to retain Eriksson before floating his name out there as trade bait.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

Also, I think it was DJ Bean on Twitter who pointed this out, but perhaps the recent decision to play Spooner on the wing is a look at a contingency for if Loui is traded.

As an aside, I don't like this contingency at all. I don't think this team wins with Kemppainen centering the third line.

 

[burstnbloom]

Is there really any smoke that Trouba would be available? There isn't much I wouldn't be willing to give up to get him. I'd move Loui (and I don't want to trade him) for a first and a prospect and add another prospect/pick to that for Trouba. He is perfect. Big, physical, transitional defenseman. 22yo with a big right shot. He would basically fix the defense. I read that he is looking for big money as an RFA but I'd give him the Dougie contract without a second thought.

I just have no idea who would play RW once Loui is gone.

 

[MiracleOfO2704]

If they didn't give Hamilton the money, why the hell would they give it to Trouba?

 

[kenneycb]

Because they wouldn't have to trade for his brother too?

 

[TheRealness]

Is there really any smoke that Trouba would be available? There isn't much I wouldn't be willing to give up to get him. I'd move Loui (and I don't want to trade him) for a first and a prospect and add another prospect/pick to that for Trouba. He is perfect. Big, physical, transitional defenseman. 22yo with a big right shot. He would basically fix the defense. I read that he is looking for big money as an RFA but I'd give him the Dougie contract without a second thought.

I just have no idea who would play RW once Loui is gone.

Yeah, I like the idea of the Bruins looking to trade for a cost controlled young D like Trouba or Brodin for Loui. I like what Eriksson brings, but they need help on the backend. Thus why I also think it's unlikely they will get offers like that without having to load up a pick or prospect with him.

It does appear that they are taking a run at signing him prior to making a decision on whether to deal him for more controlled assets, so that's good. This FO seems to continue to do well, absent the egregious two-moves-that-shall-not-be-named.

 

[Jordu]

Fluto: "It is the most complicated transaction Sweeney is facing, one that will have a domino effect on moves to follow."

Trading Ericsson and other assets (picks or player) for a young cost-controlled D man would have to be Sweeney's first move of two or three, because if Ericsson goes the Bruins will have exactly one high-quality winger: Marchand.

There would have to be more dominos to strengthen the forward corps. Could be done by signing a free agent or two, or could be done by trading from this year's haul of first-rounders, or some of both.

But Fluto is right: whatever happens with Loui will be the first domino.

 

[burstnbloom]

If they didn't give Hamilton the money, why the hell would they give it to Trouba?

Well, it sounds like they wanted to give Hamilton $5.5 mil per year. Also Trouba and Hamilton have totally different games. Hamilton has a lot more offensive upside but Trouba is a much better defensive presence and is much more physical. He is just much more of a "bruins type player." If they could get Trouba and somehow fix the gaping hole in the forward group that Loui would create, this would be a pretty good team.

 

[cshea]

Is there really any smoke that Trouba would be available? There isn't much I wouldn't be willing to give up to get him. I'd move Loui (and I don't want to trade him) for a first and a prospect and add another prospect/pick to that for Trouba. He is perfect. Big, physical, transitional defenseman. 22yo with a big right shot. He would basically fix the defense. I read that he is looking for big money as an RFA but I'd give him the Dougie contract without a second thought.

I just have no idea who would play RW once Loui is gone.

No smoke other than he's an RFA. The latest rumors out of Winnipeg are that they're making a run at trying to keep Byfuglien. If they keep him, they'd have Enstrom, Myers, Byfuglien signed for $5 million + each. I'm not sure what kind of budget the Jets are operating in, but if money is tight, perhaps they'd be open to moving him and using the money allocated to Trouba elsewhere. Buff, Myers and Trouba are all RHD too, maybe they'd be willing to part with one to improve other areas. This wouldn't be an Eriksson trade, but we do probably have the futures to matchup with Winnipeg. Random idea- Spooner for Trouba?

Reading up a bit, Anaheim intrigues me. They have D to spare. Fowler, Bieksa, Stoner and Despres are all locked up for the next 2+ seasons. Shea Theodore and Josh Manson are on ELC's. Sami Vatanen and Hampus Lindholm are on expiring ELC's. Maybe the B's could shake one of those 2 loose? Ducks have a big need for a guy like Loui, then we add some futures in?