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Discussion in 'Rick Middleton's Pron 'Stache: Bruins Forum' started by cshea, Mar 13, 2015.
I’d rather keep Grzelcyk. McAvoy can take Krug’s power play time.
That would be a significant step down. Which I'm ok with, but Krug's offense is pretty irreplaceable among their current D roster. He's 5th in the NHL in scoring among defensemen over the last 3 years. He's an elite offensive defenseman, especially on the PP. Expecting McAvoy to replace that is unlikely (but not impossible). Expecting Grzelcyk to replace it is like expecting Moore to replace it. The only thing in common between Grz and Krug is their height and which way they hold their stick.
That said, if the argument is that Krug is going to get overpaid after next year and they don't have any desire to spend on him while understanding they can get good value in return, I can understand trading him. But it won't be because they have people who can replace his production, because they don't.
Agree on Vaakanainen being their best young defenseman (I'm assuming you're ignoring McAvoy because he's already a stud). Not sure he'll ever be the physical defender Hjalmarsson is/was, but it's a pretty good comparison as far a really good player in the defensive and neutral zone. Stylistically, Hampus Lindholm is a good comparable. Or Grzelcyk without his physical limitations. He defends by being smart and fast, and can transition the puck.
Yeah I have mixed feelings on trading Krug. His offense is unique and valuable, but any trade hypotheticals assume you're getting offense back at C/W. I also think he is going to age very poorly, and would rather sell a year early than a year late (or never). I think the offense they'd gain from getting another 2C would cancel out what they'd lose from Krug and make them a much more balanced team. But it's a risky move.
Cshea left out the AHL guys. Maybe that was intentional, as there's not much positive to talk about there. Senyshyn has continued to disappoint, Frederic has really struggled. Zboril has been fine, but not pushing for a callup. The goaltending has been bad statistically, although I'm assuming some of that has to do with the defense. Vladar has been meh, and McIntyre has been terrible. Vladar is still pretty young though, and it's a positive sign that he's outplayed McIntyre.
While their high end prospects in Providence have disappointed, it does seem like they have a handful of depth guys that can step into the bottom of the NHL roster. Colby Cave has probably been the best P-Bruin, and he's filled in ok in a bottom 6 role. Cliffton/Lauzon have been pretty good and held their own in the NHL. Bjork/Gemel Smith have been really good in their limited minutes, I'd assume they're the next 2 up in case of emergency. Blidh/Kuhlman could probably eat some 4th line minutes just fine too.
Thirded on Shen. When I saw him at the World juniors, he looked like he’ll be a contributor in the show. Vaakanainan didn’t really stand out to me, but was just solid as fuck. I was a bit surprised to see the mpg numbers for him, but that’s fabulous. Another guy who will almost certainly contribute in Boston.
Studnicka traded to Niagra today. A marginally better team. Don't know enough about junior hockey to have much analysis. Niagra does seem to have more high-end talent up front looking at their numbers.
Studnicka joins Bukac on Niagara.
I was going to put Providence players in the Providence thread, but never got around to it. Agreed that there isn’t too much intriguing going on down there. Fitzgerald is their leading scorer, but just got hurt. Cehlarik has been decent, but I feel like they’ve written him off and he’ll be trade fodder. Senyshyn has 11 goals in 32 games, so at least there is a slight up tick in production from a year ago. He is almost 100 games into his AHL career though and a sub .50 points per game average isn’t really what you want out of a top pick. If we want to take a glass half full approach, he’s got 6 goals 1 assist and 29 SOG in his last 10, so maybe he’s figured something out.
It is hard to get a read on the D, the AHL doesn’t provide TOI stats. I think the depth chart is pretty clear though- Vaak, Lauzon, Clifton, Zboril.
This is all spot on. For a long time I had hopes that Krug's defensive game would progress, which it really hasn't. But his offensive game, already good, has continured to progress, to a point where he's nearly a point per game guy now.
It's remarkable how different Grzelcyk and Krug are (now and going forward) as players.
My preference would be to keep Krug because he brings something unique to the table, but it's true that money might dictate otherwise.
I wouldn't rush to trade Krug during this season. The team is on a run, and Krug's ability to drive the offense is a key part of that run. Despite his somewhat misleading +/- stats, he's still a plus possession player. And their defensive depth will be a valuable commodity come the playoffs, especially in a matchup with Tampa.
I can understand trying to move on from him during the offseason. Both McAvoy and Carlo will be RFA's, Chara will be UFA, Grzelcyk will be on the final year of his rookie contract, and both Miller and Krug will be UFA the following offseason. Despite being a rental, his skills are still hard to find among defensemen, and so he should fetch a decent return.
I like what Sweeny had to say about Vaakanainen:
Cool picture from the P-Bruins' game tonight
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Speaking of Studnicka in the other thread, he's on a tear since being traded to Niagra: 9g, 9a, 18p in 12 games
Speaking of tears:
Vaakanainen scored his first 2 pro goals today in a 2g 1a effort for Providence. Wish they made TOI data public, but he seems to be coming along nicely. 2g 10a in 25 games, a touch under .5 PPG. He had 11 points in 43 Finnish pro league games last year, so he has brought a touch more offense here in North America.
On the other end, JFK left today’s game with an upper body injury. Apparently he took a big hit. Today was his first game back in a month after suffering a concussion when he was first demoted from Boston. Really hope he is OK, this could be his 3rd concussion in 2 seasons in Providence.
In other news, the surprise in the system this season has to be Oskar Steen, their 6th round pick in 2016. He has had a breakout year in the Swedish Elite League,16-17=33 in 42 games. For reference, last year he had 4-2=6 in 45 games. He has always been a kid that people like in dev camp. If the offensive leap is real we may have an NHL player here.
Divver said he’s hearing that Steen is on the radar of Team Sweden for the World Championships, and that the Bruins will look to sign him.
2 goals in 3 games this weekend for Vaakanainen. Up to .5 points per game, very nice start to his pro career. 4-10=14 in 28 games.
After a slow start, Studnicka has been on fire the second half of the season. Now up to 24g/25a/49p in 30 games with Niagra, after 34 points in 30 games with Oshawa.
2017 7th rounder Victor Berglund has joined Providence on an ATO. 4-9=13 in 50 SEL games. Right shot defenseman.
Most of the amateur and overseas pro league seasons are over or in the playoffs. Here’s a look at the B’s system:
Jack Studnicka- 60 games, 36-47=83
Jakub Lauko- 44 games, 21-20=41
Cedric Pare- 68 games, 17-32=49
Daniel Bukac- 54 games 4-11=15
Kyle Keyser- .915, 2 shutouts
Axel Andersson- 41 games 0-5=5
Oskar Steen- 46 games 17-20=37
Victor Berglund- 50 games 4-9=13
Pavel Shen- 38 games 0-4=4
Note on Shen: That is a combined total from playing in 3 leagues with the KHL being the top league he has played in (20 games 1 asssist). He also apparently has 31 games played at the international level, 12 goals 7 assists. The kid has played for 6 teams this year.
Jack Becker- 36 games 6-9=15
Cameron Clarke- 34 games 0-8=8
Curtis Hall- 24 games 5-6=11
Jeremy Swayman- .919
Dustyn McFaul- 48 games 3-13=16 in the OJHL. He is going to Clarkson next year.
Jakob Forsbacka Karlsson- 20 games 2-7=9
Trent Frederic- 44 games- 11-11=22
Zach Senyshyn- 59 games- 14-10=24
Ryan Fitzgerald- 53 games 8-25=33
Cameron Hughes- 52 games 13-15=28
Gemel Smith- 39 games 13-20=33
Peter Cehlarik- 44 games 12-20=32
Urho Vaakanainen- 28 games 4-10=14
Jakub Zboril- 4-12=16
Jeremy Lauzon- 24 games 1-5=6
So that’s it.
Not much to get excited about in Providence outside of Vaakanainen, who has missed the past 2 weeks with injury. JFK has had a rough go of it since the Bruins sent him down. Missed a month with a concussion, then got hurt again in his first game back. 5 points in his last 9 games so hopefully he’s on track. Frederic has 4 points in his last 5 and is doing a lot of fighting. I don’t know if Gemel Smith even qualifies as a prospect, but his production is a surprise. We’ll see if it continues and he has unlocked something. Senyshyn has 3 goals in his last 30 games, which is disappointing. 26 goals in 125 career AHL games. Hard to see him as much more than bottom 6 fodder. I’m not sure what kind of usage he is getting, but between injuries and call-ups, I would think he’s gotten a bit more of an elevated role but he hasn’t been able to gain any traction. Defensively, hard to get a read on guys because of the AHL not publishing TOI. So who knows. Lauzon has only played 2 games since mid-January so he’s obviously dealing with an injury. Reports on Vaak are good, and there’s some production there. Haven’t heard too much about Zboril, but I think he’s clearly fallen behind Clifton and Vaak on the depth chart, and perhaps a healthy Lauzon.
Outside of the organization, Jack Studnicka is the cream of the crop. Him and Vaakanainen are 1-2 in some order if we were to do a prospects ranking. He’ll probably join Providence when his OHL season ends, but that could be a while as his Niagara team is pretty good. Currently 1-1 in their opening round against North Bay (game 3 tonight). Oskar Steen has worked his way into “maybe they have something here” status. His point production in the same league jumped from 6 points to 37 (and 10th overall in the league) with one extra game played. His team is in the playoffs. Divver was saying a while back that he heard Steen is in Sweden’s radar for the World’s, so I’m not sure if he’ll make it to Providence for the stretch run if/when his Europe season ends. I’d think the Bruins would want to get him here for next season if possible.
Not much to be overly excited about in the college ranks. Swayman’s their top collegiate player. I don’t see much room for Swayman until after next season. Vladar is under contract next year, and Keyser loses his junior eligibility so they have to find a place for him to play. McIntyre is a UFA but could re-sign to fulfill expansion draft requirements. So we are probably looking at a McIntyre/Vladar net again next year, or Vladar/Keyser.
Anywho, there’s the system and some cshea ramblings.
Everything I hear on Zboril is he has been pretty darn solid the last few months, and just delivers quality play on a nightly basis. It may be he doesn't do it here, but I still think he is going to have a very solid decade long NHL career.
Much thanks, cshea.
So, I don't know a lot about the CHL, other than the fact that I lit the league up in NHL 17, so I have to ask.... how tantalizing should those numbers from Studnicka be?
Studnicka is an exciting player. His speed is going to play in the NHL. Bruins really needed someone that could be a top 2 center long term and he seems the best fit out of everyone. Frederic has been improving all year, but may just end up being a Coyle like player as a better than average 3rd line center that’s more possession oriented.
Everything else seems very blah. Steen gives them a little more upside depth, but that’s countered by the stagnation of Zboril and Senysyhn. The latter is very disappointing, and his lack of any real improvement this year suggests this may be who he is. Zboril seems to slowly get better, but Vaak is already ahead of him. DeBrusk is nice, but those are two pretty big whiffs.
Numbers are nice and all, but it’s his speed and overall game that is impressive.
He’s a real STUDnicka. (I am so sorry).
Paul Carey signs a 2 year 700k/yr two-way contract. He was acquired in January from Ottawa, has played 107 NHL games across a number of seasons including 2 for the B's this year. Has led Providence in scoring since being acquired.
Carey’s just depth. The proverbial AAAA guy.
I guess for some perspective, he’s 17th in the league in scoring and 11th in points per game. He also just turned 20 and is playing in a league with 17 and 18 year olds. He had 72 points in 66 games last seaso so the jump to 83 in 60 is a good sign (he also got traded midseason to a better team).
Is this the place for this? Bruins and P-Bruins will continue the relationship through 2028-29:
Music to the ears of this Rhode Islander still in denial about the Pawsox.
Mark Divver @MarkDivver 2m2 minutes ago
Pro debut for Tommy Marchin tonight as Providence Bruins play Wilkes-Barre/Scranton
[QUOTE="cshea, post: 3323768, member:I guess for some perspective, he’s 17th in the league in scoring and 11th in points per game. He also just turned 20 and is playing in a league with 17 and 18 year olds. He had 72 points in 66 games last seaso so the jump to 83 in 60 is a good sign (he also got traded midseason to a better team).[/QUOTE]
Maybe a decent comp is Ryan Spooner, as they both are centers who have put up good junior numbers and can motor. That said, Stud has a better overall game as mentioned above, and is bigger. So there's a least some hope for something better than Spooner, who had his moments but ultimately disappointed
Studnicka’s season came to an end last night, running into a hot Kyle Keyser. Keyser has a .943 save percentage in 11 playoff games.
Studnicka finished with 11 points in 8 playoff games. He’ll probably join Providence sometime this week as they prepare to play Charlotte in the playoffs which start this weekend.
Studnicka joining Providence this week for the playoffs.
In other news, Jesse Gabrielle placed on unconditional waivers. What happened to his career?
Something must’ve gone on behind the scenes with Gabrielle. He was in NHL camp prior to last year, then started in Providence. 20 games in they sent him back to juniors. This year, with half the team in China, they told him not to show up to NHL camp and to just report to Providence. Never played a game for Providence, banished to the ECHL and now his contract is being terminated. Seems pretty clear the Bruins did not want him around.
He wasn't the same player when they sent him back to juniors after his 20 game AHL stint. Someone with his pedigree shouldn't have had a decline in production as an over-ager in the WHL. I'm guessing either injuries or off-ice issues. If it's the latter, I hope the organization offered him help and didn't just send him off to Wichita.
Studnicka is practicing with Providence today