I think some of this is just the inevitable result of Bergeron and Rask finally getting paid like front line players.smastroyin said:
Bruins Offseason Moves
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It would've also been nice to have Tanner Pearson here on an entry level contract playing top 6 minutes on the wing instead of drafting a goalie in the first round when you're about to re-sign your starter to an 8 year deal.
I don't follow. The Bruins have one of the best goalie prospects in the league. That is EXTREMELY valuable. They will cash in on that at some point.Salem's Lot said:
FL4WL3SS said:
I'm not so sure about that. Goalies typically never net anything of significant value in trade. Jonathan Bernier was a top G prospect for LA and all they got was a 2nd rd pick and scraps for him from TOR. Cory Schneider went for the 9th pick from NJ but for Subban to get to that level of value will require Rask to miss significant time.
Salem's Lot said:
This is some serious cherry picking. Pearson had a total of 7pts in 25 games this season before breaking out in the playoffs. Not a single other FW drafted after Subban has amounted into anything yet. I'm sure some will eventually but just because one FW may be a bonafide NHL player doesn't mean Subban was a bad pick. There are much better ways to play this game, Parise anyone?
j44thor said:
Matt Frattin and Ben Scrivens aren't what I'd call scraps. At the time he was traded, Frattin was considered a legit prospect.
Also, this GM in particular has a strong history of getting good deals for extraneous goaltenders. The Raycroft and Toivonen trades both netted serious talent in Rask and Soderberg.
Ah, well, scratch that bit (sort of... I know there's some rumors that he was acting like the GM behind the scenes prior to formally being hired).
First of all it is Jeff Gorton, not Jeff Gordon the nascar driver. Secondly, if you actually believe that Chia at that point in time was not being consulted on every move that was made after already agreeing to be the GM, you're nuts. Once he agreed to become the GM I am sure he was consulted on everything regarding the personnel.scottyno said:
This is fair to say. I just have a hard time believing the someone would agree to the job and sign the contract, but then be ok with the guy holding the job down who knows he is on his way out, to be allowed to make whatever moves he wants in that short time span.FL4WL3SS said:
$704K if he accepts, which I would think is a possibility.
Fluto tweeted at the draft that they QO'd everyone except for Caron. I wonder what changed. I guess we can hold out hope that some team requested him in a trade.
Fluto tweeted at the draft that they QO'd everyone except for Caron. I wonder what changed. I guess we can hold out hope that some team requested him in a trade.
It's not about the Iginla deal -- you do what you can to add a HoF at a position of need every time. The cap going down at the same time as the overage is bad luck.cshea said:
But, they could handle this better if they had more flexibility. Kelly is not terribly overpaid, but his contract is long and his NMC is awful. Seidenberg could turn into a siimilar albatross. There's just no reason to give a NMC to a guy like Kelly, who is nice to have around, but far from irreplaceable as we saw this year.
It seems like the easiest way to fix this is to trade Lucic. It was sort of discussed a while ago here but it makes the most sense to me. His cap hit is the second-highest of any forward, but it seems like there are teams who would value his toughness and physicality a lot. I think you could get a solid cheaper player and a prospect or pick for him. Eriksson slides up to the top 6, where he used to play, you have enough money to keep everyone else from last year, and you still have plenty of firepower. Before the lockout Eriksson was a more consistent goalscorer than Lucic. If you find a taker for Kelly and Campbell too, you may even be able to re-sign Iginla too. Something like the following seems plausible:
Marchand - Bergeron - Smith
Eriksson - Krejci - Iginla
Paille - Soderberg - return from Lucic
Florek - Spooner - ???
That's not a great 4th line, but I think the team is good enough to try new things there and hopefully by the playoffs have something put together (Kochlachev was great in the AHL playoffs, maybe he will be ready by midseason). Anything would be an upgrade over what they received from the 4th line in the playoffs.
Of course, I'm pretty sure Lucic isn't going anywhere. But that's what I'd do.
If they are really tired of Marchand, I could be convinced that dealing him is an OK way to get cap space. I just don't think they would get near as much for him as for Lucic.
I would lose my fucking mind if they trade Lucic. No. The Bruins can ill afford to lose wingers, and Lucic is one of the best (if not the best) power forwards in the NHL. If they are going to trade anyone off that first line, it will be Krejci, because of their abundance of players at center. Even then, it's foolish because I'd much rather have Krejci/Lucic than Iginla. They would be better off moving on from Iginla and adding a wing in free agency, even though I adore Iggy and wanted to see him raise the cup in Boston.
As for Kelly, does he have a limit NMC or a full? He seems the obvious candidate to move if it's possible.
As for Kelly, does he have a limit NMC or a full? He seems the obvious candidate to move if it's possible.
It won't happen so whatever. But I think they could be a better team if they explored it. Sorry I brought it up.
The problem is that it's not just losing Iginla -- it's going to be difficult to re-sign Krug and Smith if they don't dump salary somewhere. Dumping McQuaid and Campbell should let you re-sign Krug and Smith (I think), but you're not going to be able to add a whole lot. Maybe that's OK, but it would be nice to be able to replace Iginla with something decent, and it would also be nice to get someone decent on the third line in case Kelly's injury lingers.
Everything I can find on Google says CK has a full no-trade clause. Hopefully he could be convinced to waive it.
Krejci (and Lucic) have limited NMCs as well.
The problem is that it's not just losing Iginla -- it's going to be difficult to re-sign Krug and Smith if they don't dump salary somewhere. Dumping McQuaid and Campbell should let you re-sign Krug and Smith (I think), but you're not going to be able to add a whole lot. Maybe that's OK, but it would be nice to be able to replace Iginla with something decent, and it would also be nice to get someone decent on the third line in case Kelly's injury lingers.
Everything I can find on Google says CK has a full no-trade clause. Hopefully he could be convinced to waive it.
Krejci (and Lucic) have limited NMCs as well.
Moving Greg Campbell and Adam McQuaid in cap dumps would clear ~$3.1 million in cap space. Nate Thompson is essentially the exact same player as Greg Campbell, and Thompson's value was a 4th and 7th round pick. So we're looking at something like that in return. If they could somehow find a Kelly taker, that would give them an additional $3 million. If they move all 3 out, that would leave give with ~$7.7 million in total cap space and that's including Savard against the cap. That should give them enough room to sign both Krug and Smith and Iginla/replacement.
Chris Kelly has a full NMC. He cannot be traded or demoted without his permission.TheRealness said:
No doubt that the Bruins maximize the 10% they can go over the cap in the summer, so for their purposes the cap this summer is $75.9m.
Assuming Iginla doesn't come back (and I think at this point, that's a fair assumption. Colorado is going after him hard, and the Bruins will have to maneuver quite a bit of salary to afford him and still ice 22 skaters a night), how does the lineup shake out/who do the Bruins go after?
We'll assume Krug and Smith are re-signed.
Lucic / Krejci / ?
Marchand / Bergeron / Smith
Eriksson / Soderberg / ?
Campbell / Kelly / Paille
Chara / Hamilton
Boychuk / Seidenberg
Krug / McQuaid
Rask
Svedberg
I think if they decide not to make a trade and instead fill the lines from within you could get away with something like this:
Lucic / Krejci / Fraser
Marchand / Bergeron / Smith
Eriksson / Soderberg / Khokolachev
Campbell / Kelly / Paille
It would certainly be a bridge year, but you could have a competitive team that if everything breaks right, could get you to ECF's.
We'll assume Krug and Smith are re-signed.
Lucic / Krejci / ?
Marchand / Bergeron / Smith
Eriksson / Soderberg / ?
Campbell / Kelly / Paille
Chara / Hamilton
Boychuk / Seidenberg
Krug / McQuaid
Rask
Svedberg
I think if they decide not to make a trade and instead fill the lines from within you could get away with something like this:
Lucic / Krejci / Fraser
Marchand / Bergeron / Smith
Eriksson / Soderberg / Khokolachev
Campbell / Kelly / Paille
It would certainly be a bridge year, but you could have a competitive team that if everything breaks right, could get you to ECF's.
How big of a problem would it be to have Eriksson moved up to the first line and playing on his off-wing?
I think that's the exact plan if Iginla leaves. Loui played all last season on his off wing, so that isn't an issue. However, they would need to find a righty winger somewhere though, the only 2 they had last year were Thornton and Iginla. They have been linked to Radim Vrbata, but if they don't have the money for Iginla I can't see them having the money for Vrbata. Vrbata could play the right with either Krejci or Soderberg. Brian Gionta may be a fit for the 3rd line, but his tank appears to be empty.
Not a problem since that's where he plays now. Koko is also a C, so not sure why they'd put him on his off wing on the 3L. I would go with:
Lucic - Krejci - Eriksson
Marchand - Bergeron - Smith
Paille - Soderberg - Kelly
Florek - Campbell - Fraser
Lucic - Krejci - Eriksson
Marchand - Bergeron - Smith
Paille - Soderberg - Kelly
Florek - Campbell - Fraser
I've read a couple places where they think Koko could play wing so I'm not sure it'd be a problem
couple articles the gogle machine was able to find:
From Feb
The Hockey News leads off its assessment of the 20-year-old forward by terming him “a tremendous playmaker” and ends it with: “Also knows how to put the puck in the net.”
In between, THN makes another observation that points to an NHL debut and/or permanent assimilation sooner rather than later. The latter clause of the first sentence reads, “…the versatility to play both center and wing.”
From June
“I think he could play both [center and wing], but part of the Carter Camper trade was to address a need, and part of it was we believe Alex can step up and play in those situations,” Sweeney said. “We were able to spread those minutes more towards Alex. … Butch had been hard on him. He challenged him to be harder on the puck, and it was ‘OK, now you get to have a little bit of the candy.’ I think he responded.”
I'm kind of a Koko fan boy though, so take what I think with a grain of salt
couple articles the gogle machine was able to find:
From Feb
The Hockey News leads off its assessment of the 20-year-old forward by terming him “a tremendous playmaker” and ends it with: “Also knows how to put the puck in the net.”
In between, THN makes another observation that points to an NHL debut and/or permanent assimilation sooner rather than later. The latter clause of the first sentence reads, “…the versatility to play both center and wing.”
From June
“I think he could play both [center and wing], but part of the Carter Camper trade was to address a need, and part of it was we believe Alex can step up and play in those situations,” Sweeney said. “We were able to spread those minutes more towards Alex. … Butch had been hard on him. He challenged him to be harder on the puck, and it was ‘OK, now you get to have a little bit of the candy.’ I think he responded.”
I'm kind of a Koko fan boy though, so take what I think with a grain of salt
This is 95% wishful thinking, but why can't the Bruins and Iginla work something out? I realize it is super easy for me to sit behind my keyboard and say this, but at this point in his career, after all the money he has made, is it crazy to think that he would take less money to play in Boston?
I guess it comes down to whether or not he thinks he can truly win a title in Colorado or Minnesota (please bring up any other Cup contenders he could potentially sign with, I have an admittedly shallow knowledge of the whole free agent landscape). I would just think that winning a Cup is Priority Numbers 1,2,3,4, and 5 to Iggy at this point. If Boston came to him and truthfully said that "$X million is as much money as we can possibly give you, but we both know this is the best fit for both of us," isn't there a chance or am I delusional?
I guess it comes down to whether or not he thinks he can truly win a title in Colorado or Minnesota (please bring up any other Cup contenders he could potentially sign with, I have an admittedly shallow knowledge of the whole free agent landscape). I would just think that winning a Cup is Priority Numbers 1,2,3,4, and 5 to Iggy at this point. If Boston came to him and truthfully said that "$X million is as much money as we can possibly give you, but we both know this is the best fit for both of us," isn't there a chance or am I delusional?
RoyalOrange said:
After the way the market has gone it would be an upset if he returned to Boston. Crazy money is being thrown around.
The Napkin said:
That, and I don't think he's physical enough, or defensively minded enough yet to play C on the Bruins. With his skillset he'd be a great player off of the half-boards. The Bruins don't have enough scoring talent - bringing up someone like him and letting him be creative on the wing without worrying about C responsibilities is a great way to break him in.
RoyalOrange said:
I think that if he had received only 2 year offers from other teams, then it would have been possible for him to decide to take 1 year to stay in Boston. With him getting a 3 year deal, it's not reasonable to expect him to turn that down for one year.
Yes, exactly.FL4WL3SS said:
Bigger question - should the Bruins try to deal Krejci? Then Soderberg/Eriksson take their game to the first line.
It would be a major remake of a team that ought not be remade, but if Krejci is gone anyway after next year maybe now is the time to move him.
Exactly what I'm thinking.FL4WL3SS said:
I think the best way to think of it is with pairs of guys who really compliment each other and filling in from there.
Looch-Krejci
Bergeron-Marchand
Yeti-Loui
Campbell-Paille (or a young combo like Spooner-Fraser?)
Scoring punch would be nice, but they also need some speed for one or two of those missing pieces. Marshmont has decent wheels, but Looch/Krejci play slow, Bergie has below average speed (though I love him), and Loui struggled to keep up at times last year. Yeti is more of a strongman in tight spaces rather than a road runner. Some quicks wouldn't hurt.Dummy Hoy said:
I assume the floor has an influence, but looking at some of these deals are we moving into an era where the depth approach is not going to pay off? What I mean is that the money being handed out to good not great players is too high relative to what you pay for stars or scrubs.
Obviously first day of FA so maybe too big of a conclusion right now. But Damn.
Actually, scratch that, I guess it's more the cap hit than the actual salary that reduces the disparity, which seems to me to be creating a bigger problem, which is another work stoppage when all of the marquee players are in the second half of their cap friendly deals and decide they don't want to play for chicken shit.
Obviously first day of FA so maybe too big of a conclusion right now. But Damn.
Actually, scratch that, I guess it's more the cap hit than the actual salary that reduces the disparity, which seems to me to be creating a bigger problem, which is another work stoppage when all of the marquee players are in the second half of their cap friendly deals and decide they don't want to play for chicken shit.
Looks like Chia avoided signing Iginla specifically looking towards the future contracts.
I don't think Krejci and Boychuk are going anywhere based on Chia's comments
http://espn.go.com/boston/nhl/story/_/id/11165211/peter-chiarelli-sacrificed-jarome-iginla-boston-bruins-future
I don't think Krejci and Boychuk are going anywhere based on Chia's comments
http://espn.go.com/boston/nhl/story/_/id/11165211/peter-chiarelli-sacrificed-jarome-iginla-boston-bruins-future
Bruins announced they signed David Pastrnak to his ELC. He raised some eyebrows during dev camp and this paves the way for him to attend training camp. An extreme long shot to make the team, but he's an option. Chiarelli said he's 170-173 lbs, so he'll have to bulk up a bit, but his skill and talent got rave reviews. They have the 9-game trial at their disposal too before burning a contract year on him if he has a good camp.
B's announced deals for Caron, Cross, Cunningham, Randell, Trotman, and Florek
Caron: 600k/1yr, one way
Cross: 600k(NHL)/72k(AHL) 2 way 1 year
Cunningham 600k/85k 2 way 1 year
Randell: 575k/70k 2 way 1 year
Trotman: 2 year: 600k/80K 2 way in year 1, 650k 1 way in year 2
Florek:600k/90k 2 way 1 year
http://bruins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=726578&navid=DL|BOS|home
Caron: 600k/1yr, one way
Cross: 600k(NHL)/72k(AHL) 2 way 1 year
Cunningham 600k/85k 2 way 1 year
Randell: 575k/70k 2 way 1 year
Trotman: 2 year: 600k/80K 2 way in year 1, 650k 1 way in year 2
Florek:600k/90k 2 way 1 year
http://bruins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=726578&navid=DL|BOS|home
B's have added Joe Sacco to replace Geoff Ward as an assistant coach.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nhl/story/_/id/11258270/boston-bruins-add-joe-sacco-coaching-staff
Won the Jack Adams as head coach of the Avs in 2010.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nhl/story/_/id/11258270/boston-bruins-add-joe-sacco-coaching-staff
Won the Jack Adams as head coach of the Avs in 2010.
The Krug camp is using an amusing leverage ploy against the Bruins.
We have an eleventy billion dollar offer from an unidentified KHL team on the table! I swear!
http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/source-krug-has-received-big-offer-khl
We have an eleventy billion dollar offer from an unidentified KHL team on the table! I swear!
http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/source-krug-has-received-big-offer-khl
