FL4WL3SS said:Er what?
Why would Tampa make that trade? Connolly is a nice prospect. Hasn't translated to the NHL yet, but does have 12 goals this season.
Wingers ahead of him.TheRealness said:...
I love the creativity, but Im trying to understand it from TBs perspective. This kid is fast and talented.
Monbo Jumbo said:Wingers ahead of him.
Callahan, Killorn, Kucherov, Palat, Drouin.
No top six place for him.
MuppetAsteriskTalk said:Anyone know if the picks are both of this year's seconds? And what is Connolly's contract situation?
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MuppetAsteriskTalk said:Anyone know if the picks are both of this year's seconds? And what is Connolly's contract situation?
BoSoxFink said:So they ended up trading Boychuk for the same price they just had to give up to get Connolly.
I really wish they just stood pat, or sold off some assets as these prices are just insane. However, I know that's easier said than done with Chia knowing his job is potentially on the line.
My point is it was a lot to give up for a kid who hasn't proven himself at the NHL level yet. He was worth the same package as you got back for Boychuk? I mean it's possible we look back and end up seeing this as a steal for the Bruins but I just think the prices right now are insane and this was an overpay.Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
What does Boychuk have to do with this? Boychuk was moved because of salary cap issues. I assume Connolly's salary does not provide the same kind of cap crunch.
I like getting a 22 year old NHL player for a couple of picks.
BoSoxFink said:My point is it was a lot to give up for a kid who hasn't proven himself at the NHL level yet. He was worth the same package as you got back for Boychuk? I mean it's possible we look back and end up seeing this as a steal for the Bruins but I just think the prices right now are insane and this was an overpay.
PedroSpecialK said:It's rare when generic hot air like "making the team better for today and the future" can be pointed to in one deal, but here you have it.
Love this deal for the ~45-50th picks this year and hopefully a lower pick next year. He could slot in up top with Lucic and Krejci.
This is the stuff I find crazy. We are already anointing this kid as a first liner here? He has been in the NHL 3 different years now and hasn't stuck around or produced anywhere close enough to be a top 6 forward. I hope he does become one, but people are getting ahead of themselves here I think and I don't get the infatuation with this deal.PedroSpecialK said:It's rare when generic hot air like "making the team better for today and the future" can be pointed to in one deal, but here you have it.
Love this deal for the ~45-50th picks this year and hopefully a lower pick next year. He could slot in up top with Lucic and Krejci.
BoSoxFink said:This is the stuff I find crazy. We are already anointing this kid as a first liner here? He has been in the NHL 3 different years now and hasn't stuck around or produced anywhere close enough to be a top 6 forward. I hope he does become one, but people are getting ahead of themselves here I think and I don't get the infatuation with this deal.
Fair enough, I guess it says more about the sad state of the team at the moment than anything else then.TheShynessClinic said:
Simon Gagne was playing on the first line at points this season.
"First line" doesn't really mean much here.
He'd be shifting off the RW who is an 18 year old with 26 GP in the NHL. The concept of "first line" is real fluid right now. I'd say the Bergeron line is currently our first line.BoSoxFink said:This is the stuff I find crazy. We are already anointing this kid as a first liner here? He has been in the NHL 3 different years now and hasn't stuck around or produced anywhere close enough to be a top 6 forward. I hope he does become one, but people are getting ahead of themselves here I think and I don't get the infatuation with this deal.
well right now it definitely isn't, you are right. However, he was stating hypothetically when Krejci returned, in which case at worst that is your second line, if not the first.The Four Peters said:He'd be shifting off the RW who is an 18 year old with 26 GP in the NHL. The concept of "first line" is real fluid right now. I'd say the Bergeron line is currently our first line.
Why do you assume that Lucic - Spooner - Pastrnak is the first line?
cshea said:They have Eriksson, Smith, Pastrnak, and Connolly as right wingers. Certainly some options there if they want to move one. I'd prefer to keep them, but we'll see what the rest of the day holds.
No. In all likelihood they gave up lower 2nd round picks than they got. And they traded one year of Boychuk for a more controllable Connolly. It's a gamble that may not work out, but it's not fair to call this a simple Boychuk for Connolly swap.BoSoxFink said:So they ended up trading Boychuk for the same price they just had to give up to get Connolly.
Is it a steep price for a former #6 overall pick? Essentially trading away two 2nd rounders for a top-6 pick. If this was the draft, I'd be all over that.cshea said:I approve. Steep price, but I'd rather pay it for a 22-year old controllable Connolly than a rental like Glencross, Stewart or whomever. Connolly has top-6 upside and can score. Connolly is averaging 1.24 goals per 60, which is 16th in the league. Has good possession numbers despite being used primarily with Brian Boyle and Brendan Morrow.
Let's see what the rest of the day has in store. Both natural picks went to Tampa in this deal, they still have the Philly 2nd and NYI 2016 2nd to work with. I assume they go after a defensemen today.
LOLBoSoxFink said:This is the stuff I find crazy. We are already anointing this kid as a first liner here? He has been in the NHL 3 different years now and hasn't stuck around or produced anywhere close enough to be a top 6 forward. I hope he does become one, but people are getting ahead of themselves here I think and I don't get the infatuation with this deal.
I'm not saying a 22 year old should be fully developed. However to anoint him as top 6 forward when he hasn't proven anything yet is just as crazy as saying a 22 year old hasn't done anything in the NHL yet.FL4WL3SS said:LOL
He's 22 years old. If you're dinging him for not sticking in the NHL yet, then you really have no clue.
BoSoxFink said:I'm not saying a 22 year old should be fully developed. However to anoint him as top 6 forward when he hasn't proven anything yet is just as crazy as saying a 22 year old hasn't done anything in the NHL yet.
FL4WL3SS said:Do you really think people were anointing him a first line winger? There is no first line on this team, per say, and it's even more true this year. It's more about who he fits with that was the takeaway message and not necessarily giving him tons of minutes.
Relax.
teddykgb said:This question is coming from a place of complete ignorance, I really know nothing about the player. How does he compare to our own AHL guys? Did we trade for Tampa's Spooner or is he a class above that level?
Edit: I really like the idea of moving Eriksson back to LW, if possible. I'd like to see if that helps him become a bit more than he is for us right now.
Yeah, to put it simply, the Bruins don't have anyone like Connolly. That Yzerman dealt him speaks less about their view of him than it does the team's depth and understanding of asset management. Fl4wl3ss described his ceiling fairly well, and I think this puts him atop the Bruins prospect list, with Subban being the only likely challenge to him.teddykgb said:This question is coming from a place of complete ignorance, I really know nothing about the player. How does he compare to our own AHL guys? Did we trade for Tampa's Spooner or is he a class above that level?
TheShynessClinic said:
He's 2nd on the team in points, 3rd on the team in goals.
He's not going to be a 70 point player here like he was for Dallas, different systems, different styles of play, etc etc etc.
Now that he is getting healthy from the concussion issues, he's been what we hoped he would be when we traded for him - in the context of the Bruins system.
teddykgb said:This question is coming from a place of complete ignorance, I really know nothing about the player. How does he compare to our own AHL guys? Did we trade for Tampa's Spooner or is he a class above that level?
Edit: I really like the idea of moving Eriksson back to LW, if possible. I'd like to see if that helps him become a bit more than he is for us right now.
burstnbloom said:
He is like trading for last year's Reilly Smith but with a higher ceiling. He has some NHL experience but never fully translated his AHL success. On a min deal with RFA coming at the end of the year.
cshea said:Yeah, I believe he needs waivers.
I think Tampa's motivation was to recoup some of what they were giving up to get Coburn. They have an embarrassment of riches up front and on the wings. I mean they have Stamkos, Callahan, Johnson, Palat, Killorn, Drouin, Filppula, Kucherov...they are loaded.
I said this earlier, but I believe Yzerman is pretty good at asset management and thought this was the highest Connolly's value would be to another organization. That it was the Bruins calling didn't matter, just that they met or exceeded Yzerman's value for Connolly.Toe Nash said:Few things:
-It seems weird that a playoff team would make a trade with a division rival for a guy with upside, especially when they're not getting anything for this year. That alone makes me wary. Sure, they could be wrong.
-SH% on 73 shots is very volatile and shouldn't be expected to continue. That said, his SH% in the AHL was 12.7% which is respectable.
Overall, solid deal. 2nd rounders aren't that useful and we'd be thrilled if we drafted someone like Connolly with one.