It took many of us years to be able to watch 2007 againStill haven't been able to bring myself to rewatch the second half yet. Still waiting on my DVR. Sigh...
I never have, and doubt I ever will, other than having the occasional drive-by-attack clip of the helmet catch inflicted on me. I think I once loaded up the third-and-10 play of the final Patriots' drive, just to confirm how close it was. Never again. I also haven't sat down and watched 2003 ALCS Game 7.It took many of us years to be able to watch 2007 again
Yup, me too; aside from seeing it live, I haven't watched replays, highlights or anything related to it other than drive bys and I either change the channel or look away, that game and everything related to it is my personal kryptonite, they could win 10 more Super Bowls and that will never change in my mind.I never have, and doubt I ever will, other than having the occasional drive-by-attack clip of the helmet catch inflicted on me. I think I once loaded up the third-and-10 play of the final Patriots' drive, just to confirm how close it was. Never again. I also haven't sat down and watched 2003 ALCS Game 7.
I have never seen the Boone HR land. Changed the channel when it happened and do the same every time that clip gets shown.I never have, and doubt I ever will, other than having the occasional drive-by-attack clip of the helmet catch inflicted on me. I think I once loaded up the third-and-10 play of the final Patriots' drive, just to confirm how close it was. Never again. I also haven't sat down and watched 2003 ALCS Game 7.
I STILL turn the channel, delete automatic recordings on my DVR and look away at highlights of the catch. For me, there is nothing positive to be gained.It took many of us years to be able to watch 2007 again
With you on that one. I can still relive that any time in my mind. Last good memory in that was Tizzle's homer on Well's hanging curve. Motherfucker.I also haven't sat down and watched 2003 ALCS Game 7.
Yeah, sorry to bring it up guys. Was just trying to throw CP some empathy, since he's been such a good sport all along.Motherfucker.
Thing is, the Falcons have had so few positive moments in their history, simply being 28-3 up in the third quarter of a Super Bowl is still the most awesome thing they've ever accomplished. So I don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. I've already watched the game again up until the halfway mark of the third quarter, and this conversation prompted me to find and watch the Julio's sideline catch late in the fourth quarter...which was nice, until I watched the two plays after it.CP, I don't see a lot of upside in inflicting that on yourself. MAYBE if/when the Falcons win a SB. As a related point, some Sox fans go back and watch the 19-8 game from 2004 and are able to laugh. Not this one. And that's an easier sell because the Sox did win that very series, something that is inherently impossible in a one and done format. I guess the one time where I could see it being more palatable later would be if the Falcons beat the Pats in a SB down the road.
And we know that's not going to happen. (evil emoitcon)
I know you've mentioned that gig before in passing, but this is so fucking cool we may need you to do an ongoing thread on the subject if it's a recurring gig for you. If I had a choice between Buck/Aikman or "listen to a knowledgeable SoSHer call a game, who might drop in some SoSH inside jokes into a live broadcast", I would damn well pay for the latter. Even if you occasionally refer to our coach as Darth Belichick or something.as it happens, there's a good chance I may get to do some NFL television commentary this fall out of a studio based in the UK...
But some of us, especially those of us on the older side, got the sinking feeling that we may never see a Sox World Series title in our lifetime. Fortunately, that was erased in one year and a few days.CP, if it makes you feel any better, I view the Grady Boner/Boone HR as part of the 2004 narrative. I know some Sox fans feel like 2003 deprived them of another title. And it def. hurt a ton when it happened. But the fact that they came up short in such a painful way absolutely made the 2004 comeback that much sweeter for me (one might even say, "Unequivocally the sweetest" ).
I'd like to prove to myself that I'm any good at a particular sport before I recommend my services to anyone, but this might be possible if you have software that lets you change your IP address location...I'll let you know the details when I have them. I'm not sure about inside jokes, but you can be fairly certain I'll reference Football Outsiders and DVOA in my NFL commentaries, which I think might be a nice change of pace from CBS and Fox. (I'm told by my recently acquired agent that some NBA and even MLB might be on the docket...we'll see.)I know you've mentioned that gig before in passing, but this is so fucking cool we may need you to do an ongoing thread on the subject if it's a recurring gig for you. If I had a choice between Buck/Aikman or "listen to a knowledgeable SoSHer call a game, who might drop in some SoSH inside jokes into a live broadcast", I would damn well pay for the latter. Even if you occasionally refer to our coach as Darth Belichick or something.
Yeah, unfortunately this is where I am at the moment. If the Falcons win SB52, I will look back on SB51 and laugh heartily. But this could prove to be Atlanta's 1986/Buckner equivalent rather than its 2003/Boone, which...doesn't bear contemplating, frankly.But some of us, especially those of us on the older side, got the sinking feeling that we may never see a Sox World Series title in our lifetime. Fortunately, that was erased in one year and a few days.
I'd like to prove to myself that I'm any good at a particular sport before I recommend my services to anyone, but this might be possible if you have software that lets you change your IP address location...I'll let you know the details when I have them.
Exactly.CP, if it makes you feel any better, I view the Grady Boner/Boone HR as part of the 2004 narrative. I know some Sox fans feel like 2003 deprived them of another title. And it def. hurt a ton when it happened. But the fact that they came up short in such a painful way absolutely made the 2004 comeback that much sweeter for me (one might even say, "Unequivocally the sweetest" ).
I had no problem falling asleep after that game; shut off the TV, went to bed, that was that.Exactly.
The nut-punch that was 2003 was absolutely a big part of the "hallelujah we've reached the promised land" life renewing miracle that was 2004.
I literally could not fall asleep after game 7 '03 ALCS. No other sporting event ever had that effect on me (the game that shall not be named wasn't even close).
I'm with Bankshot. 2003 was so much more painful for me than 2007 Patriots. It had more to do with the fact it was again the Yankees, and again we were the losers in epic fashion, etc. I sat in the bar by myself afterwards for like an hour and didn't say a word. I was at the 2007 game and it sucked, but the feeling was different because we were supposed to win and we had tasted victory before.I had no problem falling asleep after that game; shut off the TV, went to bed, that was that.
I lived through 67, 72, 74, 75, 78 and 86, so 03 was nothing more than same shit, different day, another epic fail by the Red Sox, which by that point I had come to expect from them.
The only difference between it and the previous ones was the method.
Not sure how you can even come close to comparing that to 07; 03 was a loss in the ALCS, 07 was historic, they would have been THE only team in NFL history to go 19-0, but they lost to a mouth breathing hayseed with a horseshoe up his ass during that game winning drive.
Because to me the '03 ALCS loss was more devastating than the SB 42 loss. The Grady/Boone nut punch was to me far more severe than the disappointment of Helmet catch.I had no problem falling asleep after that game; shut off the TV, went to bed, that was that.
I lived through 67, 72, 74, 75, 78 and 86, so 03 was nothing more than same shit, different day, another epic fail by the Red Sox, which by that point I had come to expect from them.
The only difference between it and the previous ones was the method.
Not sure how you can even come close to comparing that to 07; 03 was a loss in the ALCS, 07 was historic, they would have been THE only team in NFL history to go 19-0, but they lost to a mouth breathing hayseed with a horseshoe up his ass during that game winning drive.
I guess it's all about perspective.Because to me the '03 ALCS loss was more devastating than the SB 42 loss. The Grady/Boone nut punch was to me far more severe than the disappointment of Helmet catch.
And I also had seen the SB wins in '01, 03 and '04, so taking a tough loss wasn't so intolerable. Shit happens.
And I too had lived through '67 on (I was in Fenway for Game 7 '67 WS, and also for the Bucky Dent game) .
And perhaps because I lived through '67 etal and my hopes in '03 were so suddenly and needlessly crushed, that sleep that night was difficult.
YMMV
I left my friends apartment in Roslindale after game 6 in 86 and as I drove home, I came up to the Halfway Café in Dedham and a guy walked out of the bar and towards me on Washington street. I hit the brakes and he walked up to my car and screamed "The fucking Red Sox just blew game 6; next time, run me the fuck over!!!"...................and then game 7; wow, up 3-0 early, just waiting for the other shoe to drop and boy did it ever.In '86 I was so pissed I went out and ran about 4 miles mostly in the dark (no street lights in my town; they like to think of the town as rural). The next day, I washed and waxed both cars, still crazy. A friend originally from CT came over to pick up her kids and she crushed a soda can. And then the wait through a rainout, as if anyone figured the Sox had a chance.
I'm rooting for Atlanta from now on, especially as long as they have Matty, except against the Pats of course.
I like the narrative but respectfully disagree. I think he was doing what he always does: Going to the player with the greatest chance of converting on each particular play given the play call, how open they were, etc.Love watching Brady spread the love in OT.
White. Amendola. Hogan. White again. Edelman. "Fake to Hogan, flip it to White, looking for blocks, getting blocks, out of bounds at the 15." Bennett, DPI. Bennett again, just to spread the love. Then White to seal it.
Like he was thanking each one personally for their efforts and contributions throughout the year.
I had just moved and began working at a new job in a new city (where I continue to live and work to this day); hence the new group of friends I was watching the game with had no idea of the depths of my affliction. I too have lived through '67, '72 (damnit why did Aparicio fall down!), '74, '75, and of course '78 (where I sat in the LF grandstand to watch it all live).I left my friends apartment in Roslindale after game 6 in 86 and as I drove home, I came up to the Halfway Café in Dedham and a guy walked out of the bar and towards me on Washington street. I hit the brakes and he walked up to my car and screamed "The fucking Red Sox just blew game 6; next time, run me the fuck over!!!"...................and then game 7; wow, up 3-0 early, just waiting for the other shoe to drop and boy did it ever.
Thanks for that; I'm laughing after reading it, not about you cracking your coconut against the sink, but, well, you get the picture.I had just moved and began working at a new job in a new city (where I continue to live and work to this day); hence the new group of friends I was watching the game with had no idea of the depths of my affliction. I too have lived through '67, '72 (damnit why did Aparicio fall down!), '74, '75, and of course '78 (where I sat in the LF grandstand to watch it all live).
So as the game all unraveled and I retreated into an alcoholic shell, my new friends grew concerned. As Knight crossed home I proceeded to destroy a pillow, then stumbled out into the darkness. I still don't know how I made it home. I do know when I got back to my new apartment I drank half a fifth of Scotch and passed out in the bathroom, hitting my head against the sink in the process and cracking my skull. That Monday the doctor suggested I re-evaluate my drinking habits.
2004 was salvation.
Don't forget Luis Aparcio's part in that.Thanks for that; I'm laughing after reading it, not about you cracking your coconut against the sink, but, well, you get the picture.
I thought you were going to tell us the doctor suggested that you re-evaluate the baseball team you choose to root for.
A lot of people forget about 72; they finished 1/2 game out of first because the season did not start on time due to a strike and when the work stoppage was over, the geniuses that run baseball did not reschedule every game that teams missed during the strike so naturally the Red Sox finished 1/2 game out.........................so typical, so Red Soxian..........................or is it Red Soxish.................
That whole episode was the first time I realized, at the tender age of nine, that pro sports could be ridiculously unfair and random. Ben Dreith confirmed that for me four years later, that MFer. Gordon Hayward, don't add to the narrative please! Now I'm too old to take it!Following the 1972 Major League Baseball strike, and Commissioner Bowie Kuhn's ruling that no games cancelled due to the April strike would be made up, the Red Sox wound up with 155 games on their 1972 schedule. They finished a half-game behind the AL East champion Detroit Tigers, who played 156 and won one more game than Boston. In the second-to-last game of the season, shortstop Luis Aparicio fell down rounding third, possibly costing the Sox a chance at victory[citation needed] in a game that could have made the difference. Thus, the Sox finished one-half game out with an 85–70 record.
I bet Marty wishes he caught that too - would have increased his payday...Separately, I don't know why, but it still oddly annoys me that Martellus does not come down with the pass when they called PI. I know that it WAS PI and that it would have been extraordinarily difficult to grab that ball. But it would have been a glorious ending. NOT THAT I AM ACTUALLY COMPLAINING.
I still throw up a little in my mouth each time I see Beasley not make that play. Thank all the you believe in that Beasley was on the wrong foot.I bet Marty wishes he caught that too - would have increased his payday...
I thought that as well. A catch there puts Brady up to 482 yards and 3TDs, and the game ends with the Falcons defense utterly destroyed.
Putting the shoe on the other foot, the way it did end is that much more tragic for Falcons fans, with the glimmer of hope provided by the near interception on the next play, before White's run slammed the door.
What was Kuhn thinking in not rescheduling all the games that were missed during the strike, that's just idiotic on so many levels I lost count.Don't forget Luis Aparcio's part in that.
From Wiki:
That whole episode was the first time I realized, at the tender age of nine, that pro sports could be ridiculously unfair and random. Ben Dreith confirmed that for me four years later, that MFer. Gordon Hayward, don't add to the narrative please! Now I'm too old to take it!
NFL game rewind (now called something else I think) is worth every penny and then some.Don't you guys have this game saved on your DVR? Or do you have it saved but are re-watching just because it is on NFLN?
I put this game on probably at least once a week after a whiskey or two, I can't imagine having to wait until it is replayed on NFLN.
Late to the party. Thanks for this explanation - I'm familiar with the trick punt return that the Rams ran vs. the Seahawks (2014), but I've never seen this trick play discussed vis-a-vis the Chung catch in SB 51. Is this something you observed, or was this discussed by someone from the Pats?It was a trick play that Fox didn't pick up on. Rams ran it successfully a couple years ago. Edelman drifted to his left like the ball was going there, drawing all the punt coverage. Chung actually goes to the ball, hopefully to find a wide open field with nobody paying attention to him until it's too late.
It didn't work because a coverage guy stayed with Chung.
Late to the party. Thanks for this explanation - I'm familiar with the trick punt return that the Rams ran vs. the Seahawks (2014), but I've never seen this trick play discussed vis-a-vis the Chung catch in SB 51. Is this something you observed, or was this discussed by someone from the Pats?
At the start of the 4th quarter Atlanta punts the ball. Patrick Chung is covering the gunner on the right side of the field and as he runs down the sideline he makes an over the shoulder catch at the Pats' 13 yard line while running out of bounds.
It struck me as something that I don't recall seeing before. Maybe Chung was coached to make that play?
Still amazed how many plays were literally toss ups that could have gone either way. Speaks to how evenly matched the two teams were in the end. Late in the fourth quarter, when the Falcons defense was supposedly "gassed" the linemen were still pressuring Brady (first play of the game tying drive Jarrett almost got his 4th sack), the CBs were still making plays (Edelman's miraculous catch was against 3 Falcons); and in OT at least 3 completions were a whisker from being defended successfully (Hogan, White, Edelman).I still throw up a little in my mouth each time I see Beasley not make that play. Thank all the you believe in that Beasley was on the wrong foot.
Just my own observation, but in my mind the only one that made sense. Edelman heads to the opposite side of the field and if Chung caught the ball that way without it being a called play I'd think he'd get cut mid-game.Late to the party. Thanks for this explanation - I'm familiar with the trick punt return that the Rams ran vs. the Seahawks (2014), but I've never seen this trick play discussed vis-a-vis the Chung catch in SB 51. Is this something you observed, or was this discussed by someone from the Pats?
This is the case and was a pre-scripted play. While I don't recall the source, I remember seeing the Pats blackboard post-victory with various items scribbled on it, including keys for the team, various roles for players, etc. Under returners, I noticed a #23, below more traditional #80 and #11, which seemingly nobody else had pointed out about the picture.Maybe Chung was coached to make that play?
Yeah, if it was a copy of the Jeff Fisher special against the Seahawks - and I think it probably was - then the deception part of the play is that Chung needs to be marking the gunner and let the gunner "beat" him to start crossing the field towards Edelman, and then at some point sneak over to where it's actually going and catch it while everyone else acts like it's over at Edelman. The gunner needs to believe that he's got Chung in the rear-view mirror before Chung then heads over and get the ball in the spot it's actually going. Here's video of it (ad-blockers on!), head to 1:55:45 on your dial.When it happened it struck me as such a wtf punt catch that I wanted to go back and look at it later because it didn't make any sense at first view. Probably why Fox didn't pick up on it right away. Kudos to the Falcons gunner who either sniffed it out or had the dumb luck to be watching Chung instead of Edelman.
Thanks, Hendu and Instaface. Awesome observations. It's amazing to look at that punt and see Edelman run the "wrong" way right after the ball is kicked, and Chung start behaving as a receiver a bit too early instead of blocking. Kudos to Justin Hardy for picking up on this.Two bad things happened: (1) the punt was better than normal, right on the sideline and a little less than average hang time, and (2) from the kick, Chung starts looking over his shoulder trying to find the ball... and gunner Justin Hardy, who initially had "beat" Chung by a mile towards the inside, sees this. Another half second of Chung maintaining the ruse and he might have gotten away with it, because he was making a beeline for Edelman. But because Hardy sees Chung looking for the ball, he switches targets, heads to him, and blows up the play. Chung facing backwards at the catch didn't help, but he wouldn't have had time for a feint step or anything to get away.