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BC Football 2018...Talk Moose off the Tobin Bridge

Discussion in 'College Sports' started by doldmoose34, Jan 17, 2018.

  1. doldmoose34

    doldmoose34 impregnated Melissa Theuriau SoSH Member

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    2018 Schedule comes out in a couple hours, might as well get this party started

    please god, UMass or the glorified High School from Woostah on 9/8 when I'm playing old man softball on the Cape
     
  2. RedOctober3829

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    Here's what is already out there.

    9/1 vs. UMass
    9/8 vs. Holy Cross
    9/22 at Purdue
    9/29 vs. Temple
     
  3. doldmoose34

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    Ok here are conference games to go along with what Red posted above
    9/13 @Wake Forest
    10/6 @ NCSTATE
    10/13 Louisville
    10/26 Mia.. the annual Friday Fiasco
    11/3 @V T
    11/10 Clempson
    11/[email protected]
    11/24 ‘Cuse

    Great the iron all lined up 4 in a row

    thanks Ale, i was trying to do that from my phone and missed l'ville

    bye befre Mia, and with Wake on Thurs long week of practice before Purdue
     
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  4. Ale Xander

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    NC State is 10/6, that looks like a typo

    Missing above is 10/13 vs. Louisville

    And note, Wake road game is a Thursday.
     
  5. berniecarbo1

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    No excuses. The schedule lines up pretty good but as Moose says the iron is in a 4 week package and if they start off slow it will difficult to make a late season run.

    8-4 should be the expectation for next season. I still maintain Daz was told he needed 16 wins between ‘17 and ‘18 seasons. (Including bowl games) so IMHO he needs 9 wins to get an extension and move past next season. He has been crowing about the ‘18 edition all season so it’s time to put up or shut up.

    Either way, after next season there will either be a full commitment to him or he will be cut loose. Can’t let him go into ‘18 off season with only 2 years left on contract. Not good for recruiting.

    Have a good winter fellas. Looks like hoops may make the NIT at least.
     
  6. BigMike

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    Still can't believe HC is back on the schedule. And with Umass on top of that
     
  7. Humphrey

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    As an alum, I can only paraprhase Henry Hill in Goodfellas "Everyone has to take a beating once in a while". :eek:
     
  8. doldmoose34

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    Pasqualoni (sp) to Detroit with Patricia.. paying Matt back for when he was a GA under PP at the 'Cuse

    this is a loss because he was an adult on the sideline, able to keep the child in charge of the sideline under control
     
  9. berniecarbo1

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    Comes a time when parent has to let the kid go....no matter how f'd up Skippy is. Addazio is exactly .500 as a head coach (44-44, including his time at Temple) . No mentoring at this point will change that. As Doug Pederson said after the Super Bowl this weekend:

    "You learn if you play passive, if you play conservative, if you call plays conservatively, you are going to be 8-8, 9-7 every year. Every year, Frank (Reich) and I just having that collaborative spirit to talk about things and talk with our quarterbacks and just come up with ways of keeping this game fresh and fun and exciting for our players. And that’s really where it all stems from.”

    I think that quote sums up Addazio and to a larger extent BC football in total. Their record since 2013? 31-33. That averages out to 6.2 wins a year. In a 12 game schedule....yup, .500
     
  10. berniecarbo1

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    For Moose.... a trip down Memory Lane

     
  11. doldmoose34

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    where do I begin, September 11 1976, on that day my old man made the only hole in one of his life with a PowerBilt 5 wood on the 215yd 8th hole at Hatherly CC... meanwhile 25 miles away I was slamming down Buds tailgating for the biggest game on campus ever Texas, led by Darrell Royal his own self..

    the first of the hilights is Neal Green breaking the first play from scrimmage for a TD, I think he tore a hamstring and was never the same, classmate of mine, good guy

    Next is Broadway Kenny Smith scoring on a QB sneak, Kenny was last heard from in a state penn in Louisana

    next is Johnny Lam Jones of UT going for 2 and the lead only to be stopped at the 1 by Kelly Elias, who's father was HC at Navy and thus Steve Belichik's boss

    Last is Russell Exerlaben long time NFL kicker missing a game winning FG with no time left, I was part of the drunken horde that charged the field and shit its been 41+ years, statute of limitation mustve run out, stole the 1-2-3-4 flip downmarker. at the end of the school year i took the #1 off and saved it then brought it back under the cover of darkness and threw it back onto the field at Alumni

    thank god for the 18 year old drinking age
     
  12. berniecarbo1

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    Justin Frye officially hired by UCLA as Chip Kelly’s OL coach. Speaking of UCLA, Rutgers just cancelled their home/home in 2020-21 with the Bruins. Jarmond has been talking about playing Cali teams. Well, they need an FBS opponent for 2021 and if they drop Kansas and pick up a G5 opponent for 2019, they can slot UCLA for 2020 and 2021 and there you have a series that actually makes sense.

    Martin, are you listening?
     
  13. berniecarbo1

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    Is Landry kicking himself today??? Last year he was a can't miss first round pick. Despite killing it at the Combine and his Pro day, the kid is sliding like butter off a frying pan. Word is he is fragile, and not responding to treatment to get him NFL ready. I'm thinking there is more here as he was a fit for the Pats as an edge rusher and thought he was low first round pick. He may go early tonight but he may slip to the third round. If he is healthy he will be a steal. Unlikely landing with the Pats given the fact they traded away their third round pick to SF for an OL.
     
  14. The Allented Mr Ripley

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  15. Dave Stapleton

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    Current Rivals ranking for the class is #26 and it's not due to volume of recruits.
     
  16. BigSoxFan

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    This is a 2002-2006 TOB quality class. I'm encouraged. QB play and Daz coaching still may put a cap on this team's potential but they are adding some real talent here.
     
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  18. RorschachsMask

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    BC is 23 in Phil Steeles preseason top 25, and Dillon is #17 on SI's top 100 player list. Lukas Denis is number 53 i believe as well, surprised Zach Allen isn't on there though.

    Could be a fun year.
     
  19. berniecarbo1

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  20. BigSoxFan

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    Zach Allen will be a monster this year. Another underrated BC defender.
     
  21. RorschachsMask

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    I am extremely excited for this season, hopefully Daz continues to let his coordinators coach.
     
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  23. RorschachsMask

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    http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/24245701/college-football-power-rankings-roundtable

     
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  24. Ale Xander

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    Dazz want to go back to DC?

    I hear the Director in Chestnut Hill has a connection to OSU and there's a good nursing school. I will gladly pick up the entire Urban family from Logan (or TF Green) and help get Shelly a stethoscope and desk at Cushing Hall, if it needs to be done to make this happen.
     
  25. berniecarbo1

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    The transcript from Media Day, held earlier this week, is below:

    https://bceagles.com/news/2018/8/7/football-boston-college-media-day-transcripts-coaches.aspx


    My takeaway from this centers around Addazio's thoughts on scheduling. I disagree 100% with his position on this. If BC was a first division perennial Top 15 P5 team, I might buy into the idea that you need, essentially, cupcakes on your schedule because you are battling for the playoffs and placement in NY6 bowl games. BC is not, and will not, on a regular basis, be one of those programs, no matter how many additions to the practice facilities they put at the Heights.

    This mindset flies in the face of what Martin Jarmond said at the the Gridiron Club meeting I attended a year ago when I was in Boston. At that time, Jarmond acknowledged that scheduling is a difficult thing as it is hard to get games....I get that....but he also said he would look to schedule games against opponents who reside in recruiting areas, alumni bases and look at a more national program. He specifically talked about the West Coast as teams he would look at, given that the program now has players on the 2-deep from California and Cali is the third largest alumni base for BC in the country.

    Addazio seems to think that putting UMass and UConn on the schedule is somehow a good thing. I think we all agree that those games do not move the needle as far as interest is concerned. I get that the ACC Atlantic is a difficult division and the cross over with Va Tech is not a gimme. But let's be real, BC in its best days is a 9-3 team and that takes into account games against the likes of UMass, UConn, N Illionois, C Mich, Richmond, Holy Cross and Maine on recent and future schedules.

    Winning brings in fans, but winning against low level G5 and FCS opponents does nothing for your program. BC is a development program. It used play by the motto of Boise State, before Boise was Boise. They would play anyone, anywhere any time. With that mindset, BC was able to have in one season (1987 as an example) PSU, USC, ND, TCU and Tennessee on their "OOC" schedule along with the likes of Syracuse, Temple, Rutgers, WVA, Pitt and Army. Not a bad schedule. They went 5-6 but overall were competitive and did well at the gate.

    It is depressing to think that Dazzler is content with playing nobodies in the OOC portion of the schedule. I get that he is trying to keep his job and coaches, at the end of the day, are judged on wins, not gutsy performances.....but c'mon man!
     
  26. BigSoxFan

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    Daz desperately wants a 2006 Rutgers-style faux good season so that he can leverage it for a new job.
     
  27. maufman

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    Boise isn’t a P5 school. Neither was BC back in the ‘80s.

    Seems to me most lower-end P5 schools do something like what BC does, in hopes of being able to go 11-1 and snag a championship berth if they happen to catch lightning in a bottle. Making the jump to the top-tier is just really hard to do — Oregon was probably the last school to do it, and I don’t remember them playing many games east of the Rockies to build their profile. Ditto for LSU (assuming you don’t think they were top-tier before Saban).
     
  28. berniecarbo1

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    I agree that BC was not a P5 back in the 80s. But they always played national schedules. In fact they continued to do that until the Godfather came on board and we started seeing the "Good for New England" game every year and OOC games against Buffalo and Bowling Green. I don't dispute that the mindset you mention does not exist and obviously Daz subscribes to it, but the chances of BC making the playoffs are next to impossible with the current setup. They would have to go 12-0 in the regular season and win the ACCCG, so essentially go 13-0. Their schedule would be scrutinized like no tomorrow (look at what happened the last few years with the Big XII and their scheduling issues) and assume for the moment they are in the hunt with say Ohio State, USC, ND, Alabama, Georgia and Texas who are all 13-0 or 12-1; there is no way they leap frog them when they have UMass, Holy Cross and Temple as their OOC opponents.

    My point is that if you are not realistically in the hunt for the playoffs, why not play the most competitive schedule you can. If you agree not to play any FCS opponents, play 10 P5 opponents and 2 G5 opponents, who are located in strategic parts of the country ( alumni bases and recruiting areas) you can still make the Orange Bowl or a Tier I bowl with a 9-3 record, assuming you win or make the ACCCG.

    My thought would be to play your 8 ACC games, ND + another P5 in a strategic location and 2 G5 opponents out of the AAC (not UConn) and MWC who also can help recruiting (ex. UCF or USF in the AAC and San Diego State and/or San Jose State in the MWC). In the non ND years grab a national opponent like tOSU, Stanford (which they are doing) plus another national P5 that has relevancy to the school and program as a whole (Cal, UCLA, Northwestern, Michigan State, Penn State, Texas A&M, TCU, etc.). To me playing that sort of schedule and going 9-3 and playing a top P5 from the B1G , SEC or Pac 12 in the Orange Bowl or a Tier 1 is a hell of a lot more compelling than going 9-3, beating up on UMass, Temple and Holy Cross and playing Tulane in the Military Bowl the day after Christmas....just my opinion.
     
  29. gmogmo

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    I don't think anyone in the world could possibly disagree with that, going 9-3 against the schedule you mentioned is significantly better than 10-2 when you play nobody out of conference. The excitement of playing and losing to a "real team" dwarfs a victory against a crap opponent in front of a disinterested half empty stadium 100 times out of 100 for a mid-level P5 team like BC with no hope of playing for a playoff berth.
     
  30. BigSoxFan

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    You'd think that a program that struggles to attract fans and outside interest would have recognized this by now. There is no difference between a 6-6 and 8-4 season for BC so dumbing down the schedule does us no good.
     
  31. maufman

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    If this strategy was such a no-brainer, other similarly situated P5 programs would have adopted it. As far as I can tell, no one has. Programs like Kentucky, Wake Forest, Kansas, Minnesota, and UC-Berkeley have non-conference schedules that look a lot like BC’s — KU and Cal each scheduled one fellow crappy P5 team this season (Rutgers and UNC, respectively); otherwise, it’s all non-P5 teams, and I think most scheduled one FCS opponent.

    The exposure and revenue from a crappy bowl game isn’t worth much; the extra practice is. Losing that extra practice in years when the team is below .500 in conference play would be bad for the program the following year. It would also probably hurt recruiting more than the “visibility” of getting our asses kicked by elite programs would help. And as I said, if you do catch lightning in a bottle, those extra tough games hurt more than they help — the next one-loss ACC champion that doesn’t make the tournament will be the first, and although I didn’t check the history, I suspect two-loss ACC teams have a good track record of securing NY6 berths.

    There’s also dollars and cents — if BC dropped two September home games each year to play elite programs on the road, more than a few STHs would rethink their generous Flynn Fund donations.
     
  32. berniecarbo1

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    First off, you don't drop 2 home games. You play home/home series with any opponent. if they won;t return to your stadium, you don;t play them. If you look out to 2028, all series are home/home or BC is playing G5 teams here.

    I think Cal is pretty close to what I would envision. They play 10 P5 games, a G5 game and an FCS game. I wish they would play 2 G5s then I could really use them as an example. Over the next three years they play Carolina, Ole Miss and TCU as their 10th P5 opponent. They play North Texas, UNLV and BYU as their G5 opponents. They also play Cal Poly, Idaho State and UC Davis as their FCS schools. Comparing that to BC.... I think its a bit stronger and its a national non conference schedule. The FCS stuff is a wash but the FBS schedule clearly is tilted in Cal's favor. BC's power school in P5 over the next 3 years is Purdue (2x) and ND. I would suggest Cal has 9 conference games and their power school is USC as they play them every year in that weird set up the Pac 12 has for the Cali schools (Cal is in the North div but has to play UCLA and USC every year...they rotate the other south div schools). BC, to their credit, plays 11 P5 schools in 2019 but they are ND , along with Rutgers and Kansas. Their G5 schools are Ohio, Temple and UMass. I think that is pretty crappy IMHO.

    Finally, as to Minnesota (which, Maufman, I think is a pretty good comparison to BC in football relative to their conferences, locations in large pro cities and having top tier hockey programs) I agree that BC is scheduling better in the non conference than the Gophers, if that is possible. They play BYU and a bunch of stiffs over the next three(3) years. If I was the AD there I would set up a football/hockey weekend with BC in late October (home/home) one year, play a Pac 12 team home/home, play an SEC team and play G5 opponents for the other two games in areas where they either have an alumni base or have some recruiting roots outside the Twin Cities.

    That's just me, I guess. I harken back to the old days....but I guess you can't. Scheduling, like uniforms and pregame music, is all prepackaged now. Too bad.
     
  33. Ale Xander

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    I agree with all of that, except BC does and should compare itself with Northwestern, not Minnesota. A tree-lined suburb minutes from a big city, with a great academic reputation, undergraduate, law, and business, and relatively small size.

    NW has Notre Dame, Duke, and Akron this year. Stanford, UNLV, and Umass, of all people, in 2019.

    This is what BC should try and do. There is no reason a school like BC shouldn't schedule someone like a NW, Stanford (or Cal) every year. Winnable games with good schools, some that even have good football programs, in areas that are good recruiting areas (for both football and where they already have students from).
     
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  34. berniecarbo1

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    Baker out of the game with an injury. Second year in a row he gets popped in the opening game. Feel bad for the kid but he can’t stay on the field.
     
  35. Jeff Van GULLY

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    At least BC has depth on the OL this year.

    I get it’s Umass but the offense looks good and Brown has been playing really well. Kobay White is legit.

    Having some balance in the offense to keep Dillon healthy all season is critical.
     
  36. RorschachsMask

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    They finally decided to stop dicking around with umass in the first half of games. The talent difference between these two programs was getting scary close a few years ago, this is night and day compared to then.
     
  37. Ale Xander

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    Kobay White looks good!
     
  38. Ale Xander

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    The last minute was nice.
     
  39. Dave Stapleton

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    Spaz almost killed the program. I think many folks underestimated how bad the recruiting had been the few years before Daz took over.

    Yeah it’s UMass but Dillon, Brown and White are a nice tandem.
     
  40. doldmoose34

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    a few thoughts
    1) Daz had sense (when was the last time I or anyone else typed those words) to sit Brown and Dillon for the 2nd half
    2) before the game much of our tailgates thought was 8-4
    3) I watched a bit of Purdue/NW Thurs, even though they lost they're better then we thought, no cupcake
    4) Dillon goes for 100yd 1st qtr vs that High School from Woostah and sits the rest of the game along with Brown, White Sweeney etc. The starters should have pads off on bench for 2nd half. My biggest fear is that some hack from Mass Aggie (didn't happen) or HC try to take out someones knee
    5) lets the kids who have no shot of seeing the field, walk ons etc play the 4th qtr, and still run up the score
    6) HC on the schedule is a total embarasment, look I graduated in '78 and other then the 0-11 year HC was never competitive in any game, it was an excuse to go, drink and mock what a shithole Woostah was
     
  41. berniecarbo1

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    Holy Cross was a rivalry up through the mid 60's. I remember one time there was an article in the Globe (circa early 70's) when one of the BC kids commented after the game something to the effect "The bus pulled up and the crowd was really into this game...we thought it was just the last game of the season... had no clue people thought this was a big game." There is no way this game should take place. Yes, HC now gives out scholarships ( I think its 60 but could be less) for football but the Cross has maybe 1 or 2 2**s on their squad. It will be similar to last Saturday and given that it is a short week for Wake game, and a travel day to boot, they should treat this like an NFL preseason game...get in your reps and get out with no injuries.

    If BC is smart, they will cancel the return engagement with HC scheduled in a few years. There is no need to play this game anymore. The athletic programs as well as the schools themselves are no longer remotely similar. One is a very good academic, liberal arts college that has about 4,000 students. The other has morphed into a national university of 15,000 students, with a robust undergrad and graduate program, a top 50 national university year after year that plays at the top level (at least in 9 games a year) of college football. Its athletic department dwarfs the school from Worcester.

    Daz can talk all he wants about geographic match ups but unless they are playing FBS programs (i.e. UMass and UConn....and they are not at this point in their league in football) there is no benefit at all to play "the good for New England" game. They need to play a national schedule and market their brand to the country. It is a national school now with alums everywhere. They have athletes from across the country and their student body has kids from all states and numerous foreign countries. BC has outgrown this game and the GDF regional aspect of athletics, especially in football.
     
  42. BigSoxFan

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    Agreed. Playing Holy Cross is a joke. Next year's schedule is shaping up to be a good one:

    Home
    Richmond
    Kansas
    FSU
    NC State
    VTech
    Wake Forest

    Away
    Rutgers
    ND
    Clemson
    Louisville
    Pitt
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  43. Ale Xander

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    I don't particularly object to this game if it is the only cupcake on the schedule. If the other 3 games are all P5 games, including 50/50 game with a similar profile (Northwestern/Cal for example) and a huge underdog game (OSU, ND), it's fine. It's a problem when they play Umass and HC the same year. I'm fine with them even rotating say, Umass, HC, UNH, and Harvard every 4 years. It was nice to see all the Umass fans in Chestnut Hill. It's also nice to show the academically proficient New England recruits, that if they want to stay home, they have to go to BC
     
  44. Ale Xander

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    Richmond, Rutgers, and Kansas in the same year? I can't say that's a good one. But yeah, it's better than Umass. HC, Temple.

    Umass and HC will at least bring some fans. Richmond? What's the point of that game? We don't compete with them for students or dollars.
     
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    Playing Rutgers on the road will not be easy. I think that will be a fun game. Agree that Richmond is kind of a weird opponent. Kansas is at least a P5 team that we should smoke.
     
  46. Ale Xander

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    Yeah, I'd like the schedule a lot more if you substitute a Vandy for Kansas, and a UNH/Harvard for Richmond.

    a) Top-15 all-time program, with student&athlete geographic competition, like USC/Stanford/OSU/ND/UM/UF/UT (when the latter get fixed), where you'd be a heavy underdog, especially if game is at home (like the USC game a few years back). But @ SBCC is fine, too, I guess.
    b) semi-local team that alums can get to, that's 50/50 or slightly better - Rutgers.
    c) Good school/student competitor P5 team where you'd be favored (Vandy/Purdue/NW)
    d) local cupcake (Umass/HC/UNH/Harvard). I'm on the UconnNever team, but I admit a ceasefire in the future is an option.


    Fake edit: Looks like no one on the current team from TN/KY. Several from Texas and CA each. A lot from OH. NONE from KS/MO or close to it.

    Book the local (obviously) and 2 of the other 3 at home, if possible, to give 7 games to STH's.

    Each OOC game on the schedule should have a purpose.
     
  47. RedOctober3829

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    Richmond is a guarantee game as they are an FCS team. Don't underestimate their talent however. With Kyle Lauletta a couple years ago, they beat Virginia.
     
  48. Ale Xander

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    Paging @Napkin
     
  49. RorschachsMask

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    Up to 28 in the AP poll, and 31 in the coaches. Holy Cross is a joke, but if they beat Wake in two weeks they probably crack the top 25 for the first time in too long.
     
  50. doldmoose34

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    Boys for the last time, and as much as I'd want to kick the shit out of those snobs from across the river, we are never playing Harvard...Ivy= FCS without scholarships (ok we all know every player gets 'grants in aid' but theyre not 'football scholarships')

    won't count towards a bowl game
     

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