Aaron Hernandez: not a fan of Kraft

[reggiecleveland]

I have gone down a rabbit hole reading about this case. Both of the guys are quite bright, it seems. Certainly their language skills are more than you expect from so called "thugs." An incredible tragedy of wasted talent.

One quick take, as a person from the nongun part of North America, is the big role guns play in this sad tale. Except for once behind bars, AH does not seem o be using his 250lb elite body to beat asses, he seems careful about that, but impulsively pulls out a gun. Certainly I am prone to the narrative fallacy, but it seems the first shooting, the drive by was an (at least partially chemically motivated) impulsive act. That seems to be turning point from which he became more violent, more prone to use his gun.One wonders if Hernandez had no gun and played a year or two more in the league if he turns it around.

 

[Pandemonium67]

Yeah, but if guns are outlawed, only the cheaters will have guns.

 

[Bowhemian]

I have gone down a rabbit hole reading about this case. Both of the guys are quite bright, it seems. Certainly their language skills are more than you expect from so called "thugs." An incredible tragedy of wasted talent.

One quick take, as a person from the nongun part of North America, is the big role guns play in this sad tale. Except for once behind bars, AH does not seem o be using his 250lb elite body to beat asses, he seems careful about that, but impulsively pulls out a gun. Certainly I am prone to the narrative fallacy, but it seems the first shooting, the drive by was an (at least partially chemically motivated) impulsive act. That seems to be turning point from which he became more violent, more prone to use his gun.One wonders if Hernandez had no gun and played a year or two more in the league if he turns it around.

AH has been a member of a gang since he was a kid. There is no way, IMO, that he wouldn't have used a gun.

 

[Reverend]

AH has been a member of a gang since he was a kid. There is no way, IMO, that he wouldn't have used a gun.

What are you basing this on?

To be more specific, are you basing this off of anything besides your own intuition about such things?

 

[Bowhemian]

What are you basing this on?

To be more specific, are you basing this off of anything besides your own intuition about such things?

Which part?
When I said he was a gang member since he was a kid, that has been reported widely. Here is a link with a story from a few years ago. https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/08/14/hometown-link-double-life-aaron-hernandez/JA34t8HVP3srfqakDqHb1K/story.html
When I said IMO (In My Opinion), I meant that it is my opinion that as a gang member, he would be more inclined to use a gun, even if it was illegal for him to have a gun. Criminals/gang members typically don't give a shit what the laws are pertaining to weapons. I don't think that it is a stretch to make that conclusion.

But that second part is my opinion, as I stated pretty clearly.

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

Not sure if previously discussed, but apparently the Patriots are in line for $3.25 million in cap relief if Hernandez is convicted in this proceeding (not sure if appeals need to run).

It's complicated, but essentially, they would get credit for guaranteed money they withheld. Since this crime would have occurred prior to his signing of the contract which called for the amounts, his conviction would apparently breach one of the provisions. He could file a grievance seeking the money, but assuming the language held up and the withheld money was deemed properly withheld, the Patriots would be entitled to a cap adjustment.

https://www.patsfans.com/salary-cap/2015/04/15/overview-of-aaron-hernandezs-salary-cap-implications-updated-on-april-15th-2015/

It makes for a weird rooting interest here. Hernandez is going to be in jail for the rest of his life whether he is convicted in this trial or not, I believe, but still if he didn't commit this crime, it's weird to be rooting for a particular result because it will give the Patriots cap relief. It's all so awful and unseemly all around, I guess.

 

[mauf]

I have gone down a rabbit hole reading about this case. Both of the guys are quite bright, it seems. Certainly their language skills are more than you expect from so called "thugs." An incredible tragedy of wasted talent.

One quick take, as a person from the nongun part of North America, is the big role guns play in this sad tale. Except for once behind bars, AH does not seem o be using his 250lb elite body to beat asses, he seems careful about that, but impulsively pulls out a gun. Certainly I am prone to the narrative fallacy, but it seems the first shooting, the drive by was an (at least partially chemically motivated) impulsive act. That seems to be turning point from which he became more violent, more prone to use his gun.One wonders if Hernandez had no gun and played a year or two more in the league if he turns it around.

If I were writing a made-for-TV movie, and had the level of artistic license that's customary for those projects, this is how I would write the script. As a factual matter, however, I think a preponderance of the evidence supports @Bowhemian -- such that it would have been somewhat fortuitous for AH to reach middle age without killing someone.

If you're saying things would likely have turned out differently if the availability of guns in this country was in line with Europe, or even Canada, then I wouldn't contest that.

 

[Reverend]

Which part?
When I said he was a gang member since he was a kid, that has been reported widely. Here is a link with a story from a few years ago. https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/08/14/hometown-link-double-life-aaron-hernandez/JA34t8HVP3srfqakDqHb1K/story.html
When I said IMO (In My Opinion), I meant that it is my opinion that as a gang member, he would be more inclined to use a gun, even if it was illegal for him to have a gun. Criminals/gang members typically don't give a shit what the laws are pertaining to weapons. I don't think that it is a stretch to make that conclusion.

But that second part is my opinion, as I stated pretty clearly.

Yes, I gather it was your opinion--I just wanted to know if your opinion was based on anything besides your own intuitions on the matter. Thank you for clarifying.

 

[DJnVa]

Not sure if previously discussed, but apparently the Patriots are in line for $3.25 million in cap relief if Hernandez is convicted in this proceeding (not sure if appeals need to run).

Uh oh.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/a-deleted-text-message-from-vengeful-gangster-may-get-aaron-hernandez-off-hook-for-double-murder-231205130.html

The text message was sent way back on July 5, 2013. It was, at some point, deleted.

Perhaps because its sender, Alexander Bradley, realized it held unwanted power, like the capability of impacting his immunity deal in an Aaron Hernandez double murder trial, let alone rocking the entire case altogether.


“Now u sure once I withdraw this lawsuit I wont be held on perjury after I tell the truth about me not recalling anything about who shot me,” Bradley wrote to attorney Robert Pickering.

 

[inJacobyWeTrust]

I read that differently, as in "I said I didn't know who shot me but I knew the whole time" rather than the way the defense is trying to spin it. But I definitely could be interpreting it wrong.

 

[Montana Fan]

Yes, I gather it was your opinion--I just wanted to know if your opinion was based on anything besides your own intuitions on the matter. Thank you for clarifying.

Not much gets by my man Rev. AH was from Bristol and as a little kid was known to be "slow". He was a good kid as a boy and as a follower type person, idolized and was guided by his father. That's a good thing and if his dad was alive today I highly doubt he'd have gotten himself in this much trouble. And he certainly wouldn't have been associated with the sorry ass "gangs of Bristol".

 

[Bowhemian]

Not much gets by my man Rev. AH was from Bristol and as a little kid was known to be "slow". He was a good kid as a boy and as a follower type person, idolized and was guided by his father. That's a good thing and if his dad was alive today I highly doubt he'd have gotten himself in this much trouble. And he certainly wouldn't have been associated with the sorry ass "gangs of Bristol".

It's a damn shame for any kid to lose a parent. Kids always take it tough, and unfortunately a lot of times the kid loses their way a bit. From what you said here, and from what I have read, that seems to be the case with AH. Too bad, he was a talented kid.

 

[Rovin Romine]

Well in terms of the character analysis of AH, there is the whole PCP use issue. But from what I've read there does not seem to be anything in his background that heavily weighed him towards violence/random murders.

Also I wanted to ask our MA attorney types and/or regular globe readers, what's going on with the appeal of the Odin Lloyd case? I don't know how MA crim appeals work. There was some popular noise during the trial that the case would be "won on appeal," which is a fallacy on a bunch of levels. But, any news on where that stands?

 

[lexrageorge]

Well in terms of the character analysis of AH, there is the whole PCP use issue. But from what I've read there does not seem to be anything in his background that heavily weighed him towards violence/random murders.

Also I wanted to ask our MA attorney types and/or regular globe readers, what's going on with the appeal of the Odin Lloyd case? I don't know how MA crim appeals work. There was some popular noise during the trial that the case would be "won on appeal," which is a fallacy on a bunch of levels. But, any news on where that stands?

Not an attorney, but some news.... First phase of appeal (automatic in MA for 1st degree murder convictions) did not go well for AH:

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-aaron-hernandez-judge-denies-motion-20150701-story.html

No news on any further appeals, other than some shouting from his defense team about improper monitoring of phone calls (sounds vaguely familiar these days):

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2016/10/phonetap_could_mean_new_trial_for_hernandez

 

[pjr]

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[NortheasternPJ]

Verdict is in:

Watch live
http://whdh.com/on-air-live-stream/

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Not Guilty.

Edit: Not guilty on all counts so far. Wow.

Guilty on having an unlicensed handgun

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

Wow

 

[tims4wins]

oh my god

 

[inJacobyWeTrust]

This is unbelievable

 

[Traut]

Woah.

 

[EddieYost]

wow

 

[Fisks Of Fury]

Guilty of possession of a firearm...

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

Him and Arthur [] Bradley were just out prowlin’ around . . .

He said, “I saw two men runnin’ out, they looked like middleweights

 

[EddieYost]

1 guilty, missed what it was

 

[PC Drunken Friar]

Guilty on only weapons charge... So he had a weapon that night. Prosecution just didn't prove who shot the victims?

 

[cshea]

1 guilty, missed what it was

Possession of a firearm

Wow

 

[EddieYost]

How long before he is in the NFL again? This is crazy.

 

[Oppo]

Jose Baez. Getting Casey Anthony and Aaron Hernandez off for murder.

 

[DJnVa]

How long before he is in the NFL again? This is crazy.

Um, he's still in jail you know?

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Does this have any impact on the appeals of the Odin Lloyd case? I'm guessing not but I have no idea.

 

[Jnai]

How quickly can he get in uniform?

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

Had he known he was gonna beat this, I'm sure he would have spared that Odin Lloyd dude.

 

[EddieYost]

Um, he's still in jail you know?

Oh right, I lost my mind for a minute.

 

[jablo1312]

Can we count this as a win so all 4 Boston teams can grab victories this weekend?

 

[SemperFidelisSox]

How quickly can he get in uniform?

Whenever the next prisoners vs guards game is. He's still in jail.

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

How quickly can he get in uniform?

LV Raiders representative will be meeting with him shortly

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

Can the Pats still get a salary cap credit with the gun charge?

 

[PseuFighter]

so now he just has to beat the lloyd conviction on appeal and he's back in the game.

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

so now he just has to beat the lloyd conviction on appeal and he's back in the game.

Nah, he just got 4-5 consecutive to the Lloyd sentence. So best case scenario is 2021, not sure how good time credit works in MA.

 

[edmunddantes]

The problem is Baez did a pretty good job pointing out that the state's star witness was more probably than not the actual trigger man, and the state never put together the "and hernandez directed him to pull the trigger" part.

 

[cshea]

And they gave Bradley immunity so that about wraps things up.

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

The NG on the witness intimidation means they didn't believe anything Bradley said despite some evidence that placed them in Florida together.

 

[lexrageorge]

so now he just has to beat the lloyd conviction on appeal and he's back in the game.

Unlikely. First, it's highly unlikely he'll get the Lloyd conviction overturned upon appeal. The case against AH in the Lloyd trial was far more airtight, and I believe Romine commented that he did not see a whole lot of opportunities for a successful appeal.

Second, Goodell would not be under any obligation to reinstate AH into the league, and the Deflategate rulings pretty much ensured that any chance of successfully appealing Goodell's decision is at best zero.

Finally, there is no way any rational person could want Hernandez to be anywhere outside a jail cell.

 

[Rovin Romine]

Having Bradley as the keystone witness is pretty much the definition of a case with reasonable doubt baked in.

Forget about what we know. I don't think many of us would have bought a used car from Bradley, let alone convicted another man on his word unless there was also compelling stand alone evidence.

(Caveat - I didn't follow this one closely. What did they have besides Bradley and his girlfriend's testimony? I don't recall anything.)

 

[mauidano]

Had he known he was gonna beat this, I'm sure he would have spared that Odin Lloyd dude.

I'm sorry but I literally laughed out loud at this. Too soon?

 

[mauidano]

Unlikely. First, it's highly unlikely he'll get the Lloyd conviction overturned upon appeal. The case against AH in the Lloyd trial was far more airtight, and I believe Romine commented that he did not see a whole lot of opportunities for a successful appeal.

Second, Goodell would not be under any obligation to reinstate AH into the league, and the Deflategate rulings pretty much ensured that any chance of successfully appealing Goodell's decision is at best zero.

Finally, there is no way any rational person could want Hernandez to be anywhere outside a jail cell.

Not even his baby mama either. He has made her life a living hell.

 

[Rusty13]

Nah, he just got 4-5 consecutive to the Lloyd sentence. So best case scenario is 2021, not sure how good time credit works in MA.

And he won't start serving that until he is somehow freed from the Bristol County murder conviction. And even then, he will be held without bail pending a new trial.

 

[Pandemonium67]

They should let AH and OJ loose so they can go out and find the real killers.

 

[InstaFace]

Had he known he was gonna beat this, I'm sure he would have spared that Odin Lloyd dude.

This is twice in two days that life has paralleled a Law & Order plot. Wasn't there an episode sometime about a guy who offed a witness and eventually skated on the initial crime? I can visualize McCoy making a snide remark as it fades to the closing credits.