9/6/2023 - PENROD IV

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Elvis is scheduled to pitch for Salem.

I feel unmotivated to generate content today. But if anyone asks me anything, I will probably answer in excessive detail.
 

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The Portland game is the "Free Game of the Day" on MiLB if anyone wants to watch all our guys there. Teel has been playing every other game, though, so not sure if he'll be in there.
 

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If Gambrell finishes with another good start or two, I wonder if he does get popped on Rule V?

A guy who could do some lower-leverage/bulk relieving at the MLB level, until a team can get him starting again in the minors?

Edit: I was going to add, or does he get protected, but that doesn’t seem like the #s will work out.
 

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If Gambrell finishes with another good start or two, I wonder if he does get popped on Rule V?

A guy who could do some lower-leverage/bulk relieving at the MLB level, until a team can get him starting again in the minors?

Edit: I was going to add, or does he get protected, but that doesn’t seem like the #s will work out.
I think it's quite possible. My comp for him a month or so ago was Thad Ward because they were both older guys without elite stuff performing pretty well in AA. Unlike Ward, though, Gambrell now at least has some proof of concept in AAA & I could easily see him picked up by another team if we leave him unprotected.

I'm kind of hoping we clear some of the chaff off the 40-man so we don't end up with these tweener decisions. Like I don't see much future in the Bobby Dalbecses, David Hamiltonses & Brandon Walterses of the world. If we could get value for any of those guys & free up space to comfortably add people like Gambrell who I think still have some upside, that would be preferable to me. Or of course if other teams value him more than we do & want to trade for him, that's ok, too.

Bryan Mata is an interesting one. He has the 7th longest tenure on the Red Sox 40-man roster, & has been there since after the 2020 season, but has yet to actually play for the Red Sox. He needs to get healthy & get into the bullpen mix.
 

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I think Angel Bastardo is actually a pretty good comp for Mata & a cautionary tale as to why we may not want to add Bastardo to the 40-man this off season, even if we could potentially lose him as a result.
 

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I think it's quite possible. My comp for him a month or so ago was Thad Ward because they were both older guys without elite stuff performing pretty well in AA. Unlike Ward, though, Gambrell now at least has some proof of concept in AAA & I could easily see him picked up by another team if we leave him unprotected.

I'm kind of hoping we clear some of the chaff off the 40-man so we don't end up with these tweener decisions. Like I don't see much future in the Bobby Dalbecses, David Hamiltonses & Brandon Walterses of the world. If we could get value for any of those guys & free up space to comfortably add people like Gambrell who I think still have some upside, that would be preferable to me. Or of course if other teams value him more than we do & want to trade for him, that's ok, too.

Bryan Mata is an interesting one. He has the 7th longest tenure on the Red Sox 40-man roster, & has been there since after the 2020 season, but has yet to actually play for the Red Sox. He needs to get healthy & get into the bullpen mix.
Walters seems like a guy that doesn't have the stuff or results for other teams to claim though. I like him as deep, deep AAA depth and think he could provide some good long relief outings like Murphy was until his more recent implosions.
 

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Walters seems like a guy that doesn't have the stuff or results for other teams to claim though. I like him as deep, deep AAA depth and think he could provide some good long relief outings like Murphy was until his more recent implosions.
If Walter provides a depth role for a large market team, wouldn't that slide him into a more consistent role on a smaller market team? But to be able to use him, he would need to be on the 40. & he's already on the 40, so he would need to clear waivers to come off & wouldn't need to be on the Major League team all year like he would be as a Rule 5 pick.

So there should be teams that would send a far away flyer or two for him. Either way, I don't want him clogging up a spot on the 40-man roster this off season. Even if we can't get anything for him & do lose him. Like if Grant Gambrell was on another team, I would trade Brandon Walter for him in a heartbeat, so I'd rather just add Gambrell to the 40 than leave Walter on it, even if we're more likely to lose Walter due to Gambrell having to be in the majors all year & Walter not having to be.
 

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If Walter provides a depth role for a large market team, wouldn't that slide him into a more consistent role on a smaller market team? But to be able to use him, he would need to be on the 40. & he's already on the 40, so he would need to clear waivers to come off & wouldn't need to be on the Major League team all year like he would be as a Rule 5 pick.

So there should be teams that would send a far away flyer or two for him. Either way, I don't want him clogging up a spot on the 40-man roster this off season. Even if we can't get anything for him & do lose him. Like if Grant Gambrell was on another team, I would trade Brandon Walter for him in a heartbeat, so I'd rather just add Gambrell to the 40 than leave Walter on it, even if we're more likely to lose Walter due to Gambrell having to be in the majors all year & Walter not having to be.
Well no... he could be dropped off the 40-man and assigned to AAA (likely to accept) until there's a need to add him to the 40-man. He's also someone that other teams probably have a version of him that wouldn't require adding him to their 26-man. That said, I still don't quite understand the 40/26 man Rule V claim stuff so maybe I'm just flat out wrong here.
 

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Well no... he could be dropped off the 40-man and assigned to AAA (likely to accept) until there's a need to add him to the 40-man. He's also someone that other teams probably have a version of him that wouldn't require adding him to their 26-man. That said, I still don't quite understand the 40/26 man Rule V claim stuff so maybe I'm just flat out wrong here.
Once someone is on your 40-man roster, you cannot remove him from the 40-man roster without another team having the option to claim him. They can remove him from the 26-man roster & send him to AAA whenever they want because he still has options. If he did not have options, he would need to be made available to other teams in order to send him down.

Bryan Mata & Ronaldo Hernandez are both out of options next year, so neither could be freely shuttled between Boston & Worcester, which is problematic for both's place in the org.

I feel like I'm not explaining this great, so I found an explainer/primer that lays it out nicely:

https://www.baseballhq.com/transactions-primer
 

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Once someone is on your 40-man roster, you cannot remove him from the 40-man roster without another team having the option to claim him. They can remove him from the 26-man roster & send him to AAA whenever they want because he still has options. If he did not have options, he would need to be made available to other teams in order to send him down.

Bryan Mata & Ronaldo Hernandez are both out of options next year, so neither could be freely shuttled between Boston & Worcester, which is problematic for both's place in the org.

I feel like I'm not explaining this great, so I found an explainer/primer that lays it out nicely:

https://www.baseballhq.com/transactions-primer
Okay... so that's what I thought. So I'm basically saying that Walter gets dropped from the 40-man. Nobody is likely to claim him so he accepts the AAA assignment. If injuries, ineffectiveness, AND he's showing improvement in Worcester when he's needed. He has experience. It comes down to this- I don't see another team putting a claim in for him. He doesn't have the upside to be hidden at the back end of a 26-man roster and other teams are probably looking at similar players that they could be losing on their 40-man. I'm not worried about him being claimed or clogging up the 40-man. Meanwhile... Mata and Hernandez are both likely to be claimed IMO.
 

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Okay... so that's what I thought. So I'm basically saying that Walter gets dropped from the 40-man. Nobody is likely to claim him so he accepts the AAA assignment. If injuries, ineffectiveness, AND he's showing improvement in Worcester when he's needed. He has experience. It comes down to this- I don't see another team putting a claim in for him. He doesn't have the upside to be hidden at the back end of a 26-man roster and other teams are probably looking at similar players that they could be losing on their 40-man. I'm not worried about him being claimed or clogging up the 40-man. Meanwhile... Mata and Hernandez are both likely to be claimed IMO.
My point is he doesn't need to be kept on the 26-man roster if another team claims him for free. So if he's one of the other team's 40 best, there's not really any downside to claiming him. But regardless, I agree that it's a risk I'm willing to take, but I would at least inquire about seeing if anyone wants to trade for him, because if teams like him enough to trade something, even something negligible for him, they will also like him enough to pick him up for nothing.
 

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& the issue with Mata & Hernandez is that you cannot send either to the minors next year without them clearing waivers so you would have to be confident they can stick all year to be worth protecting now.
 

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& the issue with Mata & Hernandez is that you cannot send either to the minors next year without them clearing waivers so you would have to be confident they can stick all year to be worth protecting now.
Mata I would let slide, as exciting as his stuff is, he can't stop walking people.

Hernandez is tougher depending on your perspective. When I look at his peripherals I see a guy who made a leap that's being disguised by a miserable BABIP, who is also pretty good at catching, who could help bridge the gap to Teel. On the other hand, maybe he totally backslides in terms of plate approach upon being promoted to the bigs?

Hard call to make. I suspect they hope nobody claims Hernandez and keep McGuire through his arb years until someone else forces the issue.
 

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Mata I would let slide, as exciting as his stuff is, he can't stop walking people.

Hernandez is tougher depending on your perspective. When I look at his peripherals I see a guy who made a leap that's being disguised by a miserable BABIP, who is also pretty good at catching, who could help bridge the gap to Teel. On the other hand, maybe he totally backslides in terms of plate approach upon being promoted to the bigs?

Hard call to make. I suspect they hope nobody claims Hernandez and keep McGuire through his arb years until someone else forces the issue.
Probably. Unless someone really wants Reese for some reason.

I wrote out a long thing about the reverse splits on Reese & Wong this season & fWAR/bWAR & the type of player one might want complementing Wong...but it's really out of place in this thread & it was kind of pointless & conclusionless.
 

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As mentioned MiLB page has Elvis Soto for Salem & now they have Andrés Núñez for Worcester.
 

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Bastardo makes sense for Portland as he's been following Liu. So a much more interesting slate of probably starting pitchers than yesterday at least (yesterday in parens):

AAA - Núñez (Gomez)
AA - Bastardo (Liu)
A+ - Penrod (Kwiat Assassin)
A - Soto (Kelly)
 

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To clarify, it's too bad he's not out there getting more run, but the season is almost over so it's good to focus on the next one.
 

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The rules surrounding use of the Development List is odd. They just keep shuffling people on & off after they pitch once. Oh well.
 

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& reminder that the Sea Dogs game is viewable for free. Not sure if I'm going to have a chance to watch or not, but will try to catch at least some of it.

Y'all should watch & post your thoughts, though.
 

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I remember when Justus Sheffield was supposed to be a thing & now he's 27 with an 8+ ERA in AAA.

Big part of the return for James Paxton when the Mariners traded him to the Yankees. Mariners dropped him earlier this season & the Braves picked him up & sent him to Gwinnett.

Anyway, he's starting against the WooSox today.