That must be it. I thought he was good friends with Cora, and wouldn't be let go. But his telling guys to run or not run from third to home wasn't that bad.Believe he was also the infield instructor as well. Which probably explains his firing.
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Alex Cora 13 | Manager |
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Ramón Vázquez 60 | Bench Coach |
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Peter Fatse 62 | Hitting Coach |
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Luis Ortiz 54 | Assistant Hitting Coach |
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Ben Rosenthal 85 | Assistant Hitting Coach |
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Dave Bush 58 | Pitching Coach |
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Kyle Hudson 84 | First Base Coach/Outfield Instructor |
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Carlos Febles 53 | Third Base Coach |
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Kevin Walker 51 | Bullpen Coach |
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Jason Varitek 33 | Game Planning Coordinator/Catching Coach |
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Charlie Madden 90 | Bullpen Catcher |
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Mani Martìnez 88 | Bullpen Catcher |
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Andy Fox 81 | Major League Field Coordinator |
Given how much Cora has been empowered lately, and a new GM/President hasn't been hired or appointed yet, I think it more likely that Cora made these calls.Okay, so maybe the FO told Cora to STFU and get it through his head that he doesn't run the team?
All good decisions IMO so far.
I was going to post the same thought. We may never know.Given how much Cora has been empowered lately, and a new GM/President hasn't been hired or appointed yet, I think it more likely that Cora made these calls.
He was. Fundamentals were nonexistent and that’s on the coaches.Believe he was also the infield instructor as well. Which probably explains his firing.
Cora is kicking ass. Good for him. I hope Fatse is next.Given how much Cora has been empowered lately, and a new GM/President hasn't been hired or appointed yet, I think it more likely that Cora made these calls.
Yeah, and as others have said, unless we see a chagrined Cora in his next appearance I’m also going with the idea he’s driving the bus.Cora is kicking ass. Good for him. I hope Fatse is next.
Well, he certainly isn't going to kick his own ass.Cora is kicking ass. Good for him. I hope Fatse is next.
Probably Eddie RomeroWho is making these decisions? Obviously not the CBO/GM. Cora? Kennedy?
I think it's a group effort. It's pretty common after a couple of bad years for a manager/head coach to be told that he can stay if he makes changes below. I'm not certain that's exactly how this played out, but the whole group is savvy enough to know that bringing back all the coaches would be a bad idea, both in effectiveness and appearance.Probably Eddie Romero
Nothing out of the ordinary for any team that is operating without a GM. If Cora felt changes were needed in these areas, he will certainly be given the green light by the acting GM team to make the changes to his staff.Last time they had a group making the decisions before they hired Bloom, including Romero, Ferreira & O'Halloran.
I'm sure those 3 are still involved & maybe a couple other people, almost certainly including Cora.
View: https://twitter.com/MacCerullo/status/1711463199545888996Cora is kicking ass. Good for him. I hope Fatse is next.
Following up on the reports that the #RedSox are moving on from pitching coach Dave Bush and third base coach Carlos Febles, I'm told that Peter Fatse will be back as hitting coach in 2024.
That’s surprising to me. I know compared against the league they had a top half offense. But the situational hitting was abysmal. I was hoping for new leadership.
Saving a scapegoat for 2024 just in case… ducks
Yeah, on brand for Cora to pass the buck.I'll be satisfied with this moves if/when Cora comes out and says that, as leader of the band, he takes responsibility for the breakdowns in fundamentals. Otherwise, it's just finding scapegoats and avoiding blame
Who else is close enough to their performance every day every game besides the manager? Possibly the general manager, but he's gone.Are managers usually the ones who make these decisions? Granted things are weird in the Sox org right now but why do we think this was Cora’s doing?
Yes, managers usually get a lot of autonomy with regards to their coaching staff. Especially incumbent managers.Are managers usually the ones who make these decisions? Granted things are weird in the Sox org right now but why do we think this was Cora’s doing?
GM/CBOs are hired quite often with incumbent managers and staffs, including three of the last four in the position in Boston (and the fourth by all accounts was forced to hire someone who wasn't his preferred choice). I think we're all trying to read way too much into what appears to be normal post-season actions by a team that didn't make the playoffs. If they know they don't want to keep guys around, the right thing to do is let them go as soon as possible so they have the best chance to get another job somewhere else. Doesn't mean they have to hire a replacement for Febles or Bush just as quickly. They can do that after the new head is in place.Might these moves also be smoke signals that the GM/CBO will ultimately be filled via internal promotion? Cora likely being involved in these moves, and just still being here, makes me suspect so. Would, IMO, be a bad idea to bring in an allegedly fairly autonomous external candidate, and force them to accept the manager and coaching staff as constructed, without input.
What’s different though is that Cora less than a week ago stated that HE would be back and his staff, not the Fo saying that. Then this happensGM/CBOs are hired quite often with incumbent managers and staffs, including three of the last four in the position in Boston (and the fourth by all accounts was forced to hire someone who wasn't his preferred choice). I think we're all trying to read way too much into what appears to be normal post-season actions by a team that didn't make the playoffs. If they know they don't want to keep guys around, the right thing to do is let them go as soon as possible so they have the best chance to get another job somewhere else. Doesn't mean they have to hire a replacement for Febles or Bush just as quickly. They can do that after the new head is in place.
And?What’s different though is that Cora less than a week ago stated that HE would be back and his staff, not the Fo saying that. Then this happens
This is the way I see it too. I think that both need to be on the same page and should have discussions about the coaching staff.Might these moves also be smoke signals that the GM/CBO will ultimately be filled via internal promotion? Cora likely being involved in these moves, and just still being here, makes me suspect so. Would, IMO, be a bad idea to bring in an allegedly fairly autonomous external candidate, and force them to accept the manager and coaching staff as constructed, without input.
Pedantic post: I think technically, Bloom promoted Roenicke from bench coach to manager in 2020 when Cora resigned, then re-hired Cora in 2021? (I mean, to the extent the final call on either of those was Bloom's.)Like I said, three of the last four GM/CBOs the Sox have hired inherited managers. Probably the only reason that we didn't hear Grady Little or John Farrell or Cora himself say he would be back is that no one thought it was in doubt.
True. But Cora was in place when Bloom was hired (Oct 28, 2019) and there was no talk of firing him or that his job was in danger following the end of the season. It wasn't until the Astros report was released in January that the shit hit the fan and Cora left. Doesn't really change my point that three of the last four GM/CBOs took the job without expectation of being able to immediately hire a new field manager.Pedantic post: I think technically, Bloom promoted Roenicke from bench coach to manager in 2020 when Cora resigned, then re-hired Cora in 2021? (I mean, to the extent the final call on either of those was Bloom's.)
Could be that Cora made the statement, and later that week ownership told him things need to be better in 2024 or he’s gone.What’s different though is that Cora less than a week ago stated that HE would be back and his staff, not the Fo saying that. Then this happens