The two guys we picked played opposite top ten guys in the draft. Maybe just maybe there something there.
2024 NFL Draft 4th through 7th round gamethread WITH SPOILERS
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We can't, but in the great tradition of media outlets "grading" drafts before any of those chosen has played a snap, by gum we're going to do it
I think we can assign grades and talk about selections before they've played, that's fine. I just don't get how it's already enough to draw any conclusions about the new front office's process and philosophy. For all the talk about how Bill didn't draft for need, he did it repeatedly. Every team takes need into account when drafting players, even loaded rosters like the Eagles and 49ers. It's perfectly fine to not like the selections, especially if you've done your work on the guys beforehand, like SMU_Sox. But to say they're targeting low ceiling players based on two picks (one of whom isn't even considered a low ceiling guy necessarily) is strange to me.
He's not wrong though. The amount of a rebuild on the offensive side of the ball is staggering and we won't see very good QB play this year either. It's going to be a multi-year process.
Please don't start this again. We know how you feel.
We are going to find out very quickly how wrong you are with these statements when the QB play is much better.
Today I want the Pats to draft a TE with receiving upside, a WR that has the H/W/S to play the X, and an EDGE guy to develop. Judon/Uche are in their walk years so they need somebody that can get to the QB.
To me, the question we can’t really know the answer to is whether they could have traded up before the mini run of the OTs at the bottom of the second round. We all knew that was coming. If they judged Wallace more highly than the guys projected to be significantly more ready to play OT, then, fine, we will just have to wait a couple of years before we can judge.
To me, though, capital comes in primarily two forms — picks and cap. They did not fully address OT in free agency. They have lots of money. I would have expended some draft capital to move up. If they could have, which is a big if.
To me, though, capital comes in primarily two forms — picks and cap. They did not fully address OT in free agency. They have lots of money. I would have expended some draft capital to move up. If they could have, which is a big if.
Totally agree with this. For all we know, they think this kid has a high ceiling. Maybe the kid turns into this regimes Richard Seymore for all we know. But in real time, considering I've read a lot of pre-draft stuff and done a million mocks, (admittedly almost all on PFN so a view biased to their scouting), and never heard of the kid, it just seemed like something out of left field and too early. But again, nobody knows nothing, we are just sharing our thoughts here.
The draft is a marketplace and it’s the job of the leaders of the draft to have a good feel for the market. Of course it is true that you need to see the players play to evaluate the job the team did but it is hardly surprising to me that some fans would be nervous about a new front office with no track record deciding they have unique insight into the market. Of course, they very well might, but when someone like SMU says they reached big time on a guy I’m inclined to listen. At the bare minimum I think it’s fair to say that they were riskier in their selections than I might have expected. I have to disclaim that I am not a patriots fan or a fan of any team but I do follow the Patriots due to being local and I think my expectations going in were of a reset on things like drafting a guy a round early so there’s a certain “plus c’est la meme chose” about it all.
All they have to do is be right about the players. But this is the risk of deviation from chalk.
All they have to do is be right about the players. But this is the risk of deviation from chalk.
I agree with this generally. But to me only Caedan Wallace was a deviation. Polk maybe went on the high end of where he was projected, but Schraeger (one of the most connected guys out there) had him as a first rounder in his last mock. Not really a Thornton situation.
This is the point that I tried to make more hysterically last night. I am skeptical whether anyone in 2024 can have unique insight into the market. It takes an awful lot to be the smartest guy in the room and it is far more likely the consensus will beat any individual. Not impossible, but hard.
What we don’t know is how far off consensus we really were. It sounds like only a bit, at most, on Polk — Where we were well within the margins of looking for attributes that match fit and scheme. Wallace sounds like more of an outlier, though who really knows.
My read of this is they wanted to add some additional picks, and were very reticent to trade volume to move up. Lots of quotes from Wolff leading up to the draft about adding picks. They haven’t done that, but my guess is this was cost prohibitive for them as they feel they still have a lot of holes they need to plug.
On Bedard, I read his comments about the Packer WRs not as saying “the Packers looked for high floor WRs instead of high ceiling ones” so much as “the Packers looked at WRs differently than other teams and it worked out pretty well for them.”
“Long-term” in the NFL is like 3 years. After year 4 most rookie deals expire, there aren’t that many truly long term contracts (the typical NFL long term deal is not guaranteed an has some exit points).
They need to start adding guys, especially to the offense, who they feel confident can contribute something positive rather than swinging for the fences with boom/bust guys, because that is how franchises stay mired in mediocrity.
“Long-term” in the NFL is like 3 years. After year 4 most rookie deals expire, there aren’t that many truly long term contracts (the typical NFL long term deal is not guaranteed an has some exit points).
They need to start adding guys, especially to the offense, who they feel confident can contribute something positive rather than swinging for the fences with boom/bust guys, because that is how franchises stay mired in mediocrity.
This is fair. It's impossible to know exactly what is going on in their heads. Just in my mind, the fact that the players seem to be pigeonholed to match need and we're seeing reporting suggesting that was the process isn't encouraging to me. The draft was deep at WR and OT but many other teams had the same idea, so we had the chance at some excellent defensive talent in Newton, DeJean, McKinstry in R2. In R3 we passed on Trice and Amagadije, who appear to have much higher ceilings.
who knows if those guys turn out better, but I'm not encouraged by what I've seen. Yes, yes, we don't know what was on their board, but I've heard that so many times and it usually hasn't turned out well when people seem to be coping with that explanation
Exactly. Ugh.
Okay, let’s hope this is… Tampa the DB? Or Stover. Or Wilson.
Can't express enough how much I hate picking a guard here. Smaller, more mobile guy for Van Pelt's scheme after they picked two big boys in Sow and Mafe last year. Ugh.
Don't have a firm opinion but they have a number of young guards. I wonder if they hastily pivoted after the trade.
Looks like a guy with G/T potential to me based on his attributes. I like throwing assets at the OL before the talent pool really drops off.
I mean, maybe. But you still gotta take someone at 103. And thay guy will likely also been there.
Riddick: loves what we're doing. Said Wallace is a 10 year starter.
I love it. The offensive line was thin and not very good. They now have youth, depth, and versatility.
Gimme another offensive player in 7 picks. TE, RB, WR, lineman...load me up.
Gimme another offensive player in 7 picks. TE, RB, WR, lineman...load me up.