2024 NFL Draft 2nd and 3rd round gamethread: Baruch atah Adonai WITH SPOILERS

[ehaz]

Paul and Kingsley are not low ceiling guys. They're the exact opposite. Paul is one of the best pass protectors in this years class. If his run blocking was on par he would've been drafted already. Kingsley is 21 and has outstanding athletic ability. I'm taking one of those guys before I even think about who Drake is throwing it to.

I didn't say Kingsley had a low ceiling. But he's raw, no? Taking an inexperienced young tackle that likely won't start immediately right after taking Drake Maye (I'm happy with that pick) carries some pretty significant error bars. That's a ton of bust potential for the #3 and #34 picks.

And if Patrick Paul has such a high ceiling after starting like 50 games at LT in college, why didn't someone take him last night?

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

I didn't say Kingsley had a low ceiling. But he's raw, no? Taking an inexperienced young tackle that likely won't start immediately right after taking Drake Maye (I'm happy with that pick) carries some pretty significant error bars. That's a ton of bust potential for the #3 and #34 picks.

And if Patrick Paul has such a high ceiling after starting like 50 games at LT in college, why didn't someone take him last night?

Because the other guys were better?

 

[Cellar-Door]

I didn't say Kingsley had a low ceiling. But he's raw, no? Taking an inexperienced young tackle that likely won't start immediately right after taking Drake Maye (I'm happy with that pick) carries some pretty significant error bars. That's a ton of bust potential for the #3 and #34 picks.

And if Patrick Paul has such a high ceiling after starting like 50 games at LT in college, why didn't someone take him last night?

Maybe, but if you bust on Maye you're in trouble either way.

To me the thing is.... if you told me one of: Suamataia/McConkey/Coleman/etc. etc. made a pro-bowl in the next 3-4 years.... I'd bet heavy on Suamataia. There are some potentially good WRs here... I don't think there are any #1 difference maker types. I think you're looking at either guys just as raw at their position as Suamataia, or guys with ceilings that look more like #2 WRs. Given this team is not competing in 2024-25 anyway, I'd much rather chase guys who could be top guys at their position in the 2nd, even if it takes a year or two. I think without the need to get a QB next year you'll be in much better position to get a WR who has true #1 difference maker potential in the draft.

 

[SMU_Sox]

Paul has some technique issues in pass pro + will never be a good run blocker. Specifically he stops his feet and gets complacent allowing for secondary moves. He also can overset and let guys get inside on him. Run blocking wise he just doesn't get the right leverage and doesn't have a ton of power. If you can clean up his pass pro though you get top 12 kind of pass pro at LT in theory but he will be a bottom 5-10 run blocker. @ehaz

 

[SMU_Sox]

Yeah Sua is a bet on athleticism, size, length, etc. Would I make that bet? No. But I get it if an NFL team does. Even your OL experts are torn on him. Personally I chase high floors with OTs and Sua isn't that. I chase ceiling with WRs.

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

Paul has some technique issues in pass pro + will never be a good run blocker. Specifically he stops his feet and gets complacent allowing for secondary moves. He also can overset and let guys get inside on him. Run blocking wise he just doesn't get the right leverage and doesn't have a ton of power. If you can clean up his pass pro though you get top 12 kind of pass pro at LT in theory but he will be a bottom 5-10 run blocker. @ehaz

You don't think an NFL program can cleanup some of the run blocking stuff to make him at least adequate? Genuinely asking, not trying to be wise.

 

[shoosh77]

Outside of specialists, QB and Center, you basically need two of everything. Take the highest rated player on the board even if it’s Cooper DeJean. Studs are studs, even if you don’t have high level Tackles and WRs right now.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Yeah Sua is a bet on athleticism, size, length, etc. Would I make that bet? No. But I get it if an NFL team does. Even your OL experts are torn on him. Personally I chase high floors with OTs and Sua isn't that. I chase ceiling with WRs.

Yeah, he's definitely risky, but age and physical tools.
I know Thorn likes him whose O-line takes I generally trust, has him as OT6 and graded as a potential impact player. Notes he needs to be brought along and a PA scheme would help him,

 

[SMU_Sox]

Yeah, he's definitely risky, but age and physical tools.
I know Thorn likes him whose O-line takes I generally trust, has him as OT6 and graded as a potential impact player. Notes he needs to be brought along and a PA scheme would help him,

I trust Thorn too. Lance Z is also very much an OL guy and he has Sua as more of a 4th round kind of prospect. Consensus is around 40-45. I am more like pick 85. It just depends on how much you think you can develop guys and if you need to play him right away.

 

[Eck'sSneakyCheese]

Yeah Sua is a bet on athleticism, size, length, etc. Would I make that bet? No. But I get it if an NFL team does. Even your OL experts are torn on him. Personally I chase high floors with OTs and Sua isn't that. I chase ceiling with WRs.

I look at Kingsley and I see discount Penei Sewell. I'm probably wishcasting but damn do we need a cornerstone there.

 

[Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt]

I think WR is a massive need and the remaining OT are not worth taking at #34. I'd go WR (AD Mitchell, Ladd McConkey, Troy maybe) then Blake Fisher or some other developmental tackle (the Yale guy) later, and then make it an OT double-dip at the beginning of Day 3.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Outside of specialists, QB and Center, you basically need two of everything. Take the highest rated player on the board even if it’s Cooper DeJean. Studs are studs, even if you don’t have high level Tackles and WRs right now.

You obviously know nothing about football or you're implying the Falcons strategy is incorrect.

 

[j44thor]

I think WR is a massive need and the remaining OT are not worth taking at #34. I'd go WR (AD Mitchell, Ladd McConkey, Troy maybe) then Blake Fisher or some other developmental tackle (the Yale guy) later, and then make it an OT double-dip at the beginning of Day 3.

Day 3 OT have a miniscule hit rate. I'd much rather double dip at WR on day 3 or RB/TE. If you pass at OT today I think we should punt to 25 draft and take one in first rd then. I don't think Maye should see the field next season so let Brisset deal with the poor OL play. This season should be all about building for 25 and beyond.

 

[j44thor]

You obviously know nothing about football or you're implying the Falcons strategy is incorrect.

Raheem Morris thought this was a Superflex league.

 

[Rico Guapo]

View: https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1783947025635033578


Has Kingsley going to the Pats at 34 and I think I'd be pretty happy with it, they need WR but the remaining depth at that position is much deeper than what is still available at tackle.

 

[Cellar-Door]

I think WR is a massive need and the remaining OT are not worth taking at #34. I'd go WR (AD Mitchell, Ladd McConkey, Troy maybe) then Blake Fisher or some other developmental tackle (the Yale guy) later, and then make it an OT double-dip at the beginning of Day 3.

Day 3 OTs probably don't even make the roster out of camp though.

This is to me the big problem. You MIGHT get a starting OT (probably on the right) in the early 3rd. Any later than that... probably not. Tackles just simply go earlier than WRs because there are far fewer of them who have any kind of top end upside. Honestly... I could see based on how this draft has gone, all 4 of Suamataia, Paul, Fisher and Amendjie going in the 2nd.

Edit- looking around at some of the new Mocks today, seems like everyone has 3-5 OTs off the board before 68. Which ones vary, but unless you're okay with taking the 5th or 6th best OT on your board.... probably need to take him in the 2nd somewhere.

 

[E5 Yaz]

View: https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1783947025635033578


Has Kingsley going to the Pats at 34 and I think I'd be pretty happy with it, they need WR but the remaining depth at that position is much deeper than what is still available at tackle.

In the third round he has Maye's wide receiver at UNC going to the Patriots

 

[CoffeeNerdness]

Most first rounders who sit a whole year were drafted by playoff teams with very good to great entrenched QBs. I understand not wanting to rush Maye, or not going into the season with the idea to play him right away, I'm right there with you guys. I don't understand hoping he never sees the field and entering 2025 without a clue of his ability to play in the NFL.

There were nine QBs who started all 17 games last year. Seven of those nine were playoff bound. I think most teams going into the year, even with the intention of having a QB who starts all 17 games, will more than likely start their backup for some games. I'd be shocked if Maye didn't get some starts next year, either out of necessity or by way of superior talent.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Raheem Morris thought this was a Superflex league.

Fuck. This was such a better take than mine. Well done.

 

[SMU_Sox]

Raheem Morris thought this was a Superflex league.

Best post today.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Raheem Morris thought this was a Superflex league.

THis would be funny by itself, but given that the Falcons have under Fontenot drafted like it's fantasy (RBs top 10, TE top 5, trade up for WRs) it's extra funny

 

[MuppetAsteriskTalk]

Outside of specialists, QB and Center, you basically need two of everything. Take the highest rated player on the board even if it’s Cooper DeJean. Studs are studs, even if you don’t have high level Tackles and WRs right now.

This is where I'm at. BPA (accounting for positional value) unless it's very close between one or more available players, then you can use current roster need as the tiebreaker.

 

[RedOctober3829]

View: https://twitter.com/cameronwolfe/status/1783990238215324027?s=46&t=IVL2VrlFgLlpc3mjGGto8Q

 

[Cellar-Door]

View: https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1783986298866282534

 

[Dollar]

I'm all in on one of Cooper DeJean, Ladd McConkey, or Keon Coleman. LET'S GO

 

[Zincman]

If I were the Pats GM, and I am not, I would realize this is a 3 yr rebuild and I would start by building both fronts. An outstanding OL can make a lot of players look better than they are. That's the place to start.

 

[E5 Yaz]

If I were the Pats GM, and I am not, I would realize this is a 3 yr rebuild and I would start by building both fronts. An outstanding OL can make a lot of players look better than they are. That's the place to start.

Nice try, Eliot

 

[BigSoxFan]

My gut says trade down to get another 4th or so.

 

[snowmanny]

If I were the Pats GM, and I am not, I would realize this is a 3 yr rebuild and I would start by building both fronts. An outstanding OL can make a lot of players look better than they are. That's the place to start.

“Offensive linemen are weapons” - Jim Harbaugh

 

[Ferm Sheller]

Let's go, let's get the Bills' clock ticking.

 

[Ferm Sheller]

275K people there? Holy shit.

 

[RSN Diaspora]

Were they booing Goodell? Booing something else? Saying Boo-urns?

 

[Ale Xander]

How soon until Pats pick? How much preamble do we have here?

 

[DJnVa]

The whole "200,000 here now" Goodell said---there's no way there's that many in that crowd. He must mean participating in all the draft stuff.

 

[Gash Prex]

Should be a more interesting night for the Pats

View: https://twitter.com/PhilAPerry/status/1783996235763925220

 

[DJnVa]

This is cool and all, but can we draft players?

 

[Ferm Sheller]

C'mon, let's get this fucking show on the road

 

[DJnVa]

Should be a more interesting night for the Pats

View: https://twitter.com/PhilAPerry/status/1783996235763925220

What happens if you trade #34 for a player that fails a physical?

 

[Ale Xander]

This is cool and all, but can we draft players?

We already got one

 

[RSN Diaspora]

This is cool and all, but can we draft players?

No. They’re going to stretch this to the point of missing the Bruins puck drop, because they suck.

 

[Dollar]

WTF just get the Bills on the clock

 

[PayrodsFirstClutchHit]

Was there a trade in the past that got the Pats the 2nd pick in round 2 versus the 3rd?

 

[Mystic Merlin]

This is woefully staged. 67 flag football kids! Michigan Wolverines football team!

 

[Ferm Sheller]

No. They’re going to stretch this to the point of missing the Bruins puck drop, because they suck.

What makes this funny is that the Bs play tomorrow night.

 

[Groovenstein]

We already got one

*snickers* I told them we already got one

 

[E5 Yaz]

Was there a trade in the past that got the Pats the 2nd pick in round 2 versus the 3rd?

I think it's because they had same record with Wash, so they alternate each round

 

[j44thor]

Was there a trade in the past that got the Pats the 2nd pick in round 2 versus the 3rd?

No, they had same record as WAS and AZ but WAS had tie-breakers for 2nd so they flop in the rest of the rounds.

 

[Justthetippett]

Was there a trade in the past that got the Pats the 2nd pick in round 2 versus the 3rd?

It's the tiebreakers. The teams with the same record rotate.

 

[RSN Diaspora]

What makes this funny is that the Bs play tomorrow night.

Goddammit. In my defense, I’m pretty stoned.

 

[Cellar-Door]

34 and 231 for 41 and 88 (or 91)? Makes a lot of sense, should still be WR and OT options at 41, but GB could use Newton or DeJean