Joe had a coaching staff with one foot out the door (the lead Asst left in the middle of the season). I'm pretty sure the staff was PO'd that their guy was publicly fired (A few of the players weren't happy either). The coaching staff immediately quit this summer once IME got another job for a rebuilder rather than stay with a championship contender.
It would be fantastic if PP's value increases enough to help Brad go get Alex Caruso.
I've said on more than one occasion I was unduly harsh with CJM last year, given the circumstances, but it doesn't change my opinions that, the Celts needed a strong knowledgable voice to guide them, not someone taking a HC crash course, and with a more experienced HC the Celts would have likely played in the '23 Finals.
Don’t get me wrong…..it’s not like we are running Scoot Henderson out there. He should be fine in short minutes but without any guard depth the last thing we want is for him to be extended into a 20+ min guy due to injury or what not. That’s why my get by the deadline is guard depth to give us some security.
I feel like we're better off getting a wing, mostly because if something happened to White or Jrue, you could move Brown over, and give more minutes to Hauser. Getting another wing for depth makes that easier.
Even in the playoffs he's probably not worse on defense than the 7th or 8th player on any other team's rotation. Not someone we want to count on for major minutes, but definitely playable for a few minutes to spell White/Holliday here and there.
I agree with the idea but who is the wing that fits their TPE and is better than Brissett, or even Stevens? It’s a short short list
Stevens is barely playing, I can't imagine it's that to find a guy capable of giving them better than 6 minutes a week. Brissett on the other hand has had his moments, lots of energy and the occasional open 3.
I think that's why there was a lot of buzz about John Konchar, since he seems to fit all that.
Konchar is a better shooter than those two and grades out as a better overall player. My guess at the thought process is that he is an all around upgrade on either for 5-10 minutes per playoff game who offers some ability to hit open looks.
You could have put Prime Auerbach out there. Tatum shot 23% from 3, Brown shot 16% from 3, and as a team they shot 30% from 3. In game 7, Tatum and Brown shot a combined 13-36 and 2-13 on 3's. Im not saying Joe was great, but at some point the players have to play.
Perhaps a coach can have a contingency plan for when a team or players cant hit the ocean from a rowboat. Maybe try driving to the hoop, move the ball, use your superior skill and depth to create opportunities to suceed. CJM was in way over his head last year. And it was sort of obvious early on.
This is the Hoopshype scouting report:
He's kind of a dollar store version of Derrick White. But like in the discount bins at that store - its just that he is kind of good at a lot of basic stuff like San Antonio White. I am not going to die on this comparison hills so no need to debate me. Its just the vibe he gives but I could be way off.
lol of course they hit the white guy with the "surprising athleticism"
It's going to be a dilemma for any Celtics opponents this year. Sure, go ahead and double, and we have four guys on the court who will bury you from three. At some point you have to do it, but it really is a pick your poison thing.
It's sad what has happened to Bill. Still an interesting guy with some interesting takes, but man has he lost his anchor. Moving to LA does that shit to people.
Wait you’re serious? You want a coach to have a contingency plan to every starter on the floor missing everything….then suggest not taking natural shots in the flow of the offense and forcing other, worse shots?
Aren't we all completely unimpressed with Stevens, Brissett, Svi, Banton crew? Yea, they are the 11th+ guys on the roster, but there are times when those guys play important minutes. Probably not in the playoffs, but certain regular season games are meaningful. No idea if Konchar offers anything more, but someone like him would be worth taking a flyer on
I like brissett, I could see him playing playoff minutes in situations where they need some energy.
Really? Thats the way you read that?
Yeah I don’t think anyone in that role with the other 4 on the floor are necessarily going to impress. The nature of their role is doing the dirty work so that the big guns don’t have to get worn down by them.
Not a fan of panic moves within a singular game by taking lower pct shots simply bc your normal ones aren’t going down on that particular night.
The Brogdon injury us a lot bigger than people remember. He wasn't just a bench guy that we don't miss this year (because of improvement from White and the upgrade of Smart to Holiday), he was the Celtics 3rd leading scorer. After Tatum and Brown, he was the only player that was consistently able to create his own shot all year. Tatum sprained his ankle, Brogdon had been useless all series because of his game 1 arm injury, and Brown was just vomiting turnovers every other possession. There's plenty to pick on leading up to that moment, but it's hard to pin anything that happened in game 7 on Joe, going crazy from 3 (or at least better than 21%) was their only realistic option. This will never not piss me off:
I'm not a fan of panic moves either, nor did I suggest that,, but I am open to trying a different approaches or having different approaches available, if the old tried and true is not working, particularly in series as opposed to 1 tough night in Brooklyn.
If you’re changing your approach based on the results of what, several dozen possessions, to go outside of your natural flow….that is the very definition of a panic move.
Heh. Why do you frame this as 3 minute exercise, when it is a longer term approach to problem solving.
Depends what you mean by approach. I think searching for the best shot given what the defense is doing is the best approach, and you don't deviate from that even if the results don't look good for a little bit. That approach might lead to lots of threes or lots of posting up depending on lots of factors.
You mean, you want the first year coach, unexpectedly last-minute with a staff geared towards the -previous coach-'s philosophy, whose assistant coach took off midseason, to... what, do a whole new plan, when said plan was basically "good plan, good process, just missed shots/opposing player having the series of his life?"
Depends on the score and game situation. You know the environment. But all things being equal, and they never are, if the open 3 is there, it's probably the best choice. But maybe there are times you want to challenge a foul plagued Lopez etc with a drive.
The process is the thing to emphasize though. Attacking Lopez is an emphasis on process which is not the original suggestion, which was "shoot less 3s". Like, say we attack Lopez and the defense collapses... leading to an open 3. You take that. Telling guys what the outcome should be is just going to break flow and the natural rhythm of how the game works.
So far, so good this season:
Yes, and this is true for the whole roster. People thought of it as "the team that just went to the Finals", but
You can't really look at last year for him, since Joe ~never played him. He's already played 50% more minutes this year, and far more of them are with real lineups.
There was indeed a roster issue last season, which got exposed when Tatum and Brown went cold from 3 while Brogdon was ineffective due to a significant injury. I do fault Mazzulla for perhaps not adapting to Miami's zone as quickly as he should have, and the Celtics struggles in seeking out mismatches with some of Miami's weaker defenders in Vincent, Robinson, Strus, and Lowry. But the Brogdon injury hurt that aspect as well.
I'm not a Joe defender or a Joe hater. I agree with you he was awesome 4-6 in Miami. Other than that, I thought he was fairly mediocre.
And despite that he got to game 7 of the ECF where his best player sprained his ankle minutes into the game and his sixth man was so injured he couldn’t shoot..
I'm not sure it was a roster issue as much as a health issue - best player gets hurt; best shooter by percentages gets hurt; most versatile big man never fully recovered from off-season surgery. Agree with all who posted that Brogdon would have made a real difference if he could shoot - he was getting wide open looks in G7 when he played and he couldn't knock them down because of his injury.
I think of this as a sports fan's defense mechanism - it's way easier to sit there and complain about a team and say how bad they are because if the team doesn't win the championship, the fan is vindicated and if they do win the championship, no one remembers how wrong the fan was in the first place.
Konchar is apparently really fast - #1 in speed on the defensive end and #1 in ball screen navigation. I posted some stats in another thread - would love to take a flyer on him if MEM would give him up (I doubt they would): https://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/nba-celtic-trade-rumors.41398/#post-5946514
Yeah, he ends almost every exchange with "I really hope I'm wrong", and I think he's genuine when he says it. I think part of his issue is that he was also a HUGE Marcus guy. I don't think he can objectively see how much better they are with Jrue + KP. In his mind they swapped out 4 guys (Marcus, TL, Grant, Brogdon) for 2 (Jrue, KP), so by definition the bench is much worse. What he doesn't see is that White has continued to improve (and increase minutes), Hauser and Pritchard have both improved immensely, Jrue is flat out a better player than Marcus, probably at both ends of the court, Timelord was never going to be the same and the KP upgrade on the offensive end can't even be properly measured it is so ridiculous, KP's rim protection isn't that far off from TL's, etc. Add it all up and the ceiling is just so much higher.
On paper Brogdon was perfect, but whether it was injury or otherwise, he really didn't do much to move the needle in May.
