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I would like them to add a Konchar/Tate type of wing, primarily as injury protection. Could imagine Royce O'Neale. Maybe Thybulle - my instinct is he's worth more than the rest, but personally given his shooting and ability to D up top-tier scorers I'd think about it.

I can imagine adding a wide body big to defend Jokic/Giannis type profiles, which they are weaker on. But there's not a lot out there which fits that profile and will play other than depth for those specific matchups. This is the one place Grant's departure may be felt and only in specific playoff matchups.

One benefit of their positional versatility is that they can add anything other than an undersized PG and it pretty much covers any injury to top 6, so that lets them show in 2/3/4 and even more versatile 5s as targets potentially
 

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I would like them to add a Konchar/Tate type of wing, primarily as injury protection.

I can imagine adding a wide body big to defend Jokic/Giannis type profiles, which they are weaker on. But there's not a lot out there which fits that profile and will play other than depth for those specific matchups.

One benefit of their positional versatility is that they can add anything other than an undersized PG and it pretty much covers any injury to top 6, so that lets them show in 2/3/4 and even more versatile 5s as targets potentially
I 100% understand and accept why they couldn't retain him, but Grant Williams would've been perfect.
 

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I don't think this roster is settled at all past 1-7. Everything 8-15 is in play imo and at least one piece will be added but likely two imo. There is no reason for us to enter the playoffs with Pritchard, Kornet/Queta, or Brissett/Stevens/Banton one injury away from playing major minutes....and two injuries away from two of them doing so. We are too close to not be better prepared.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274022/Celtics-Will-Be-Aggressive-In-Targeting-Bench-Help

1. Caruso is the ultimate prize & fit
2. Kelly Olynyk after he gets bought out by Uncle Danny (if he can't find a taker on the trade market)

Could be talked into Thybulle & Konchar

Muscala return?
X.Tillman?
 

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https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/274022/Celtics-Will-Be-Aggressive-In-Targeting-Bench-Help

1. Caruso is the ultimate prize & fit
2. Kelly Olynyk after he gets bought out by Uncle Danny (if he can't find a taker on the trade market)

Could be talked into Thybulle & Konchar

Muscala return?
X.Tillman?
I don't know how the Stewart contract would work past this year but his name has come up. Who wouldn't like some Beef Stew for a cold winter evening? Olynyk has been a guy I've always felt would find his way back here given his fit as a backup big. God I'd love me some Caruso too.
 

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I don't know how the Stewart contract would work past this year but his name has come up. Who wouldn't like some Beef Stew for a cold winter evening? Olynyk has been a guy I've always felt would find his way back here given his fit as a backup big.
The Pistons are offering Wagyu stew to anyone who will listen

Boston would need to unload ~$13MM in contracts to make it work (after his $64MM ext)

Brad could have just brought back Grant for less
 

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I 100% understand and accept why they couldn't retain him, but Grant Williams would've been perfect.
Keith Smith said as much today. That said some here appeared to be deeply concerned with the Celtics paying Williams one more penny than he is worth so maybe he wouldn't be perfect except on a rookie deal. I wish they still had him - the dude isn't great but he does some things exceptionally well - things like give those wide bodies all they can handle.

That said, Mazzulla didn't seem to be a fan and his run here was limited going forward so him leaving was happening regardless. But he would fit this current team well
 

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Really hoping Tatum's ankle injury isn't serious. I can't imagine they'd bring him back into the game if it was, but he had a really awful offensive game when he returned (5-17, his worst shooting game of the year).
 

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Really hoping Tatum's ankle injury isn't serious. I can't imagine they'd bring him back into the game if it was, but he had a really awful offensive game when he returned (5-17, his worst shooting game of the year).
Fwiw Tatum seems to be Brady-esque in wanting to always be out there. We can fault Joe for not standing up to him or Tatum even for this approach but imagine the opposite. I’d rather have this guy and his always wanting to play (assuming there was no further risk to his ankle) attitude than the opposite. In basketball this is such a tough call for coaches. It’s different than a pitcher in baseball where one twinge can mean you’re screwed. In the end, I don’t think it’s as an easy call as fans make it out to be. Willing to eat crow if Tatum is laid up for a couple weeks. Or at least it would be questionable at that point why based on the information the staff had they still agreed to play him.
 

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I know people hate make/miss, but the Warriors gave up a ridiculous amount of high-quality 3s. I thought the Cs even "adjusted" and tried to get inside when those weren't falling, and then missed layups/had tougher shots to take.

In the NBA, you can always pack the paint and concede 58 3s, most of them pretty open, to very good shooters. Sometimes they'll shoot 29% and you win.

There were things the Cs could have done better. The defense was pretty meh and not as intense as usual. But everyone is going to turn this into a morality play about not shooting too many 3s, and that wasn't what happened at all.
 

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I know people hate make/miss, but the Warriors gave up a ridiculous amount of high-quality 3s. I thought the Cs even "adjusted" and tried to get inside when those weren't falling, and then missed layups/had tougher shots to take.

In the NBA, you can always pack the paint and concede 58 3s, most of them pretty open, to very good shooters. Sometimes they'll shoot 29% and you win.

There were things the Cs could have done better. The defense was pretty meh and not as intense as usual. But everyone is going to turn this into a morality play about not shooting too many 3s, and that wasn't what happened at all.
I think you could also say the Warriors are in the Cs heads. They are 1-5 since going up 2-1 in the Finals and in a lot of those loss it they have gone through long stretches of inexplicably bad shooting.
 

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I think you could also say the Warriors are in the Cs heads. They are 1-5 since going up 2-1 in the Finals and in a lot of those loss it they have gone through long stretches of inexplicably bad shooting.
That's possible too. Fortunately, the odds they play the Warriors in the Finals are quite low.
 

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Fwiw Tatum seems to be Brady-esque in wanting to always be out there. We can fault Joe for not standing up to him or Tatum even for this approach but imagine the opposite. I’d rather have this guy and his always wanting to play (assuming there was no further risk to his ankle) attitude than the opposite. In basketball this is such a tough call for coaches. It’s different than a pitcher in baseball where one twinge can mean you’re screwed. In the end, I don’t think it’s as an easy call as fans make it out to be. Willing to eat crow if Tatum is laid up for a couple weeks. Or at least it would be questionable at that point why based on the information the staff had they still agreed to play him.
Unless the game is out of hand the coach is always going to play the guy if he's medically cleared by the team doctor. It's like Belichick said in that one presser about Jimmy G's availability...."I'm a football coach, I'm not a doctor. The medical team is the medical team. I coach the team, the medical staff handles the injuries."
 

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I know people hate make/miss, but the Warriors gave up a ridiculous amount of high-quality 3s. I thought the Cs even "adjusted" and tried to get inside when those weren't falling, and then missed layups/had tougher shots to take.

In the NBA, you can always pack the paint and concede 58 3s, most of them pretty open, to very good shooters. Sometimes they'll shoot 29% and you win.

There were things the Cs could have done better. The defense was pretty meh and not as intense as usual. But everyone is going to turn this into a morality play about not shooting too many 3s, and that wasn't what happened at all.
To me, the home/road 3PT splits with this team are getting legitimately concerning. It's the biggest disparity in the league in terms of drop-off away from home, and will make the playoffs a tough climb if they are routinely shooting 3's at sub-30% in road games. Of course, the flip side of this is being invincible at home, but you'd like to see less variance.
 

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To me, the home/road 3PT splits with this team are getting legitimately concerning. It's the biggest disparity in the league in terms of drop-off away from home, and will make the playoffs a tough climb if they are routinely shooting 3's at sub-30% in road games. Of course, the flip side of this is being invincible at home, but you'd like to see less variance.
Role players usually shoot better at home, but on the whole, this seems to fall squarely in the category of "things that will be weird early anomalies by game 82."

We see this with various stats and various teams every year, and then regression to the mean always happens. Last year, after 20 games, everyone was wondering whether the Celtics had found the secret of getting a whole team to shoot over 40% from 3. Turns out, nope.
 

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I think you could also say the Warriors are in the Cs heads. They are 1-5 since going up 2-1 in the Finals and in a lot of those loss it they have gone through long stretches of inexplicably bad shooting.
This is such a totally fan way of looking at things, and Boston fan in particular. Which explains why I agree with it completely.
 

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They win this game easily if Porzingis is healthy. Annoying to keep losing to mediocre Warriors teams but whatever. End of the day, this remains the best team in the NBA when the Celtics have their full crew.
 

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One of the late game NBA LP commercial breaks was literally filled with Steph Curry game winning buzzer beaters. The whole break. He's just so quick and has the uncanny ability to give himself just enough space to get off a good shot. And they weren't all threes either. There were a handful of layups to win games as well. You knew that high arc'er in OT was going in. Like, zero chance that was a miss. (Surprisingly he missed the wide open one near the end of regulation after he juked Al out of his tighty whities)

Anyway, the contrast with Tatum's end game is kinda depressing. I had no faith that shot was going in. His buzzer beater reel couldn't even cover a ten second in-game Jason Stone commercial. He refuses to drive which makes defending him so much easier. He doesn't have the quickness to open up the space he needs so the defender is gonna be in his shorts every single time. Everybody and their uncle knows exactly what he's going to do. Honestly the Warriors are probably clowning on how that play went when they got to the locker room. It's a gift that the coach refuses to call timeout and that the superstar player is just going to pound three crossover dribbles and take as difficult a shot as possible. It's just super frustrating that they make the defense's job as easy as possible because they're so predictable.
 

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Team record so far with players missing:

Jaylen Brown: 1-0 (1-0 road)
Jrue Holiday: 1-1 (0-1 road)
Derrick White: 1-2 (1-2 road)
Al Horford: 2-1 (0-1 road)
Porzingis: 5-2 (1-2 road)

Also notable that they were missing at least one of their top 6 players in each of their 5 road losses so far.
 

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Keith Smith said as much today. That said some here appeared to be deeply concerned with the Celtics paying Williams one more penny than he is worth so maybe he wouldn't be perfect except on a rookie deal. I wish they still had him - the dude isn't great but he does some things exceptionally well - things like give those wide bodies all they can handle.

That said, Mazzulla didn't seem to be a fan and his run here was limited going forward so him leaving was happening regardless. But he would fit this current team well
Rumor has it that New Englanders can be a frugal bunch.

Dallas got Grant at a good price. I think the majority of us cheapskates were against the $20MM/yr # being tossed around after a hot shooting stretch in December last year. As you noted, Joe had a few Grant DNP-CDs, so that makes it tough for the front office to go further into the CAP and would add pressure on the HC to play him.

According to Grant, in the Old Man & the 3 podcast, he wanted a bigger role/start and was looking forward to RFA. I don't begrudge Grant for wanting to further his career with a more consistent role/minutes BUT that wasn't happening in Boston especially after Brad added KP.

I've enjoyed Sam Hauser's increased role/minutes which is a byproduct of letting Grant go.

ALSO maybe Brad thought it was better to keep roster flexibility to see how the Dame Lillard situation played out.

Brad/Zarren/Wyc had a great summer IMO, and was fine with them passing on a Grant Williams extension.
 

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I know people hate make/miss, but the Warriors gave up a ridiculous amount of high-quality 3s. I thought the Cs even "adjusted" and tried to get inside when those weren't falling, and then missed layups/had tougher shots to take.

In the NBA, you can always pack the paint and concede 58 3s, most of them pretty open, to very good shooters. Sometimes they'll shoot 29% and you win.

There were things the Cs could have done better. The defense was pretty meh and not as intense as usual. But everyone is going to turn this into a morality play about not shooting too many 3s, and that wasn't what happened at all.
This is largely how I viewed it, although it was extremely frustrating to watch just as a fan. But we also had a 17-point lead in the mid 3rd quarter, so I'm very interested in what happened firstly with that long dry stretch, and secondly how we got beat by 11 in the 4th (and 11-5 in OT). There seemed to be a lot of "whatever, I'm tired, fuck it let's chuck up this 3" possessions, instead of good 3s earned by collapsing or rotating the defense. On defense, there seemed to be a lot of possessions where we were content to let someone we didn't respect as much (e.g. Chris Paul, or Kuminga from midrange and out) shoot wide open, not merely "let them take the shot".

We were generally pretty good about not fouling, and we seemed to have some strong play on the boards (with a few notable exceptions with scrums around the basket that we lost multiple times in a row) and in transition. But I think it's a bit more than just random make/miss percentages, too: the shot selection we picked, and the shot selection we gave up, ended up determining the game when our transition opportunities and the Warriors' sloppiness disappeared.
 

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This game showed how far the gap is between these two teams. Without nitpicking, Kristaps and Draymond somewhat offset each other. Tatum had his worst shooting night of the year, the team arrived from 3 time zones over.....and still neede nuclear performances from Steph and to a degree Klay, just to get this game to OT on their home floor.
 

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This game showed how far the gap is between these two teams. Without nitpicking, Kristaps and Draymond somewhat offset each other. Tatum had his worst shooting night of the year, the team arrived from 3 time zones over.....and still neede nuclear performances from Steph and to a degree Klay, just to get this game to OT on their home floor.
Definitely felt like the Warriors' Super Bowl.
 

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This is largely how I viewed it, although it was extremely frustrating to watch just as a fan. But we also had a 17-point lead in the mid 3rd quarter, so I'm very interested in what happened firstly with that long dry stretch, and secondly how we got beat by 11 in the 4th (and 11-5 in OT). There seemed to be a lot of "whatever, I'm tired, fuck it let's chuck up this 3" possessions, instead of good 3s earned by collapsing or rotating the defense. On defense, there seemed to be a lot of possessions where we were content to let someone we didn't respect as much (e.g. Chris Paul, or Kuminga from midrange and out) shoot wide open, not merely "let them take the shot".

We were generally pretty good about not fouling, and we seemed to have some strong play on the boards (with a few notable exceptions with scrums around the basket that we lost multiple times in a row) and in transition. But I think it's a bit more than just random make/miss percentages, too: the shot selection we picked, and the shot selection we gave up, ended up determining the game when our transition opportunities and the Warriors' sloppiness disappeared.
I didn't sense any laziness in how they played out the fourth and OT, but they were clearly gassed at the end. It's tough to accuse them of being lazy when they had a possession where they scrapped for three offensive boards and missed four shots- none of which were bad looks at all, irrc. The game looks quite different if Al could have put home the easy tip-in or corralled one of several loose balls. End game Al is a bit tough to stomach these days.
 

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This game showed how far the gap is between these two teams. Without nitpicking, Kristaps and Draymond somewhat offset each other. Tatum had his worst shooting night of the year, the team arrived from 3 time zones over.....and still neede nuclear performances from Steph and to a degree Klay, just to get this game to OT on their home floor.
So then win the game if the gap is that big. 58 3 point attempts in a game they’re not shooting well against a team that they can get to the basket at will on(and did) Has Joe not learned from playoff failures of the past?
 

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I didn't sense any laziness in how they played out the fourth and OT, but they were clearly gassed at the end. It's tough to accuse them of being lazy when they had a possession where they scrapped for three offensive boards and missed four shots- none of which were bad looks at all, irrc. The game looks quite different if Al could have put home the easy tip-in or corralled one of several loose balls. End game Al is a bit tough to stomach these days.
Al also had two wide open 3's to start the OT, would have been a different story if those go down. He did make the one at the end, but too little too late.
 

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Is it possible to easily look up 3PA on first nights of back to backs? Not just for Celtics but league wide...Im just thinking aloud but when I checked the box score this morning (didnt watch a second) my first thought was "wonder if they tried to play a less physical style of offense given the back to back with a better Sacramento team tonight?"
Even if that was the approach, I wouldnt sit here and tell you unequivocally it was the correct one...just throwing it out there though to people here who are far smarter about hoops than I am.
 

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Chris Forsberg had a xweet that said that according to tracking data the Celtics were 27.6% (8 of 29) on wide open 3's last night. They've shot 41.2% on those shots thus far this year.

It was a frustrating watch because they smoked a few bunnies, missed some WIDE open 3's, and the end of game possessions (specifically the one at the end of regulation) were.....atrocious. But overall, I really don't think you can take much from this game.
 

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Chris Forsberg had a xweet that said that according to tracking data the Celtics were 27.6% (8 of 29) on wide open 3's last night. They've shot 41.2% on those shots thus far this year.

It was a frustrating watch because they smoked a few bunnies, missed some WIDE open 3's, and the end of game possessions (specifically the one at the end of regulation) were.....atrocious. But overall, I really don't think you can take much from this game.
Sam Hauser was repeatedly clanging some of his best looks all year, and then they missed layups when they went inside.

I'd chalk this up to "hard to go 82-0", from both an effort and execution standpoint, and just move on.
 

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Sam Hauser was repeatedly clanging some of his best looks all year, and then they missed layups when they went inside.

I'd chalk this up to "hard to go 82-0", from both an effort and execution standpoint, and just move on.
I’m concerned that when the games get to be the most important, are they going to revert to what they were last year? They keep telling us they can win in different ways but when the chips are down will they show us they learned from previous playoff mishaps? Finish the damn game out.
 

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Chris Forsberg had a xweet that said that according to tracking data the Celtics were 27.6% (8 of 29) on wide open 3's last night. They've shot 41.2% on those shots thus far this year.

It was a frustrating watch because they smoked a few bunnies, missed some WIDE open 3's, and the end of game possessions (specifically the one at the end of regulation) were.....atrocious. But overall, I really don't think you can take much from this game.
Sam Hauser was repeatedly clanging some of his best looks all year, and then they missed layups when they went inside.

I'd chalk this up to "hard to go 82-0", from both an effort and execution standpoint, and just move on.
I didn't watch last night, and so I am asking this will all sincerity: don't we say the same thing after every loss? And maybe that is ok. Maybe not every loss is a referendum on their championship potential. We tend to take a football mentality with this team and overanalyze every game due to the super high expectations. It's so hard to discern when something portends ultimate doom vs. just chalking it up to shit happens over 82 games.
 

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I’m concerned that when the games get to be the most important, are they going to revert to what they were last year? They keep telling us they can win in different ways but when the chips are down will they show us they learned from previous playoff mishaps? Finish the damn game out.
I get why that sentiment is out there, but two things: 1. in 4 of the last 5 wins, all vs eastern conference playoff teams, games were within single digits in the 4th quarter and the celtics finished the game out. 2. I think the fact that they didn't last night is a lot more along the lines of "shit happens over 82 games" @tims4wins then it is some kind of "referendum on their championship potential" also @tims4wins. That's not to say these types of losses arent frustrating, but from my high level view so far this season they've gone a long way in telling me these types of losses will be fewer come playoff time.
 

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I’m concerned that when the games get to be the most important, are they going to revert to what they were last year? They keep telling us they can win in different ways but when the chips are down will they show us they learned from previous playoff mishaps? Finish the damn game out.
They were missing one of their top 5. If any of them can’t play in a playoff series and the shooting is like it was last night, it’s going to be a long one.

Health is the most important thing
 

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I’m concerned that when the games get to be the most important, are they going to revert to what they were last year? They keep telling us they can win in different ways but when the chips are down will they show us they learned from previous playoff mishaps? Finish the damn game out.
I mean, sure, but like two weeks ago this same Dubs team blew a 24-point lead to the Kings. NBA teams can score like crazy and one cold streak is all it takes. It’s not like the Dubs put on the CLAMPS. Most of the missed shots were good offense misses. That block of Jaylen at the rim was a fucking great play. No idea how that happened.

But I’m not really defending the last shot in regulation. I’m fine with no TO - had the ball off a miss on the move, which often leads to a score. But Tatum could have moved the ball once more and kept the momentum going at the rim instead of iso to finish the clock. Score the points within the flow of the action that led you to not call a timeout!
 

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This game showed how far the gap is between these two teams. Without nitpicking, Kristaps and Draymond somewhat offset each other. Tatum had his worst shooting night of the year, the team arrived from 3 time zones over.....and still neede nuclear performances from Steph and to a degree Klay, just to get this game to OT on their home floor.
TJD would have been a nice deep bench piece. Good 2nd round pick. Think he has some more NBA development in him.
 

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TRIGGER WARNING: Celtic fans may not like this Laker fans take. He gives a very critical, but somewhat honest look at the Celtics

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Yeah I'm not watching Lakers' fan takes on the Celtics.

Just looked over the 1986 Celtics game log briefly. Obviously the Current Celtics team doesn't have a top 10 (I think top 5 but whatever) player of all time, so it's not the 86 Celtics. However, these games were of note to me.

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Even that great Celtics team went 4-5 in a December run, including back to back duds at Philly and the infamous Christmas game. Three of those five losses were against teams that were absolute garbage that year (Knicks, Cleveland, Chicago), none of whom had over 30 wins. Portland was meh (11th of 23).

Point is that this shit happens. It's a long season. In a game where you have to give significant minutes to Queta, ride Al like a rent-a-car, and Tatum has a bad ankle, against an experienced, smart team, sometimes you're gonna go dry. I'm not sure that there's any more lesson in it than that.
 
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Yeah I'm not watching Lakers' fan takes on the Celtics.

Just looked over the 1986 Celtics game log briefly. Obviously this team doesn't have a top 10 (I think top 5 but whatever) player of all time, so it's not the 86 Celtics. However, these games were of note to me.

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Even that great Celtics team went 5-5 in a December run, including back to back duds at Philly and the infamous Christmas game. Three of those five losses were against teams that were absolute garbage that year (Knicks, Cleveland, Chicago), none of whom had over 30 wins. Portland was meh (11th of 23).

Point is that this shit happens. It's a long season. In a game where you have to give significant minutes to Queta, ride Al like a rent-a-car, and Tatum has a bad ankle, against an experienced, smart team, sometimes you're gonna go dry. I'm not sure that there's any more lesson in it than that.
I liked Queta's play, provided some energy on the boards/put backs

More shit happening tonight & this week with the Kings, Clippers, & Lakers hyped to take down the big, bad Celtics.
 

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I liked Queta's play, provided some energy on the boards/put backs

More shit happening tonight & this week with the Kings, Clippers, & Lakers hyped to take down the big, bad Celtics.
I read the main board and BBtL, so I'm ready for the onslaught of Chicken Littles if we drop a few games in a row. More important to protect KPs groin.
 

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I didn't watch last night, and so I am asking this will all sincerity: don't we say the same thing after every loss? And maybe that is ok. Maybe not every loss is a referendum on their championship potential. We tend to take a football mentality with this team and overanalyze every game due to the super high expectations. It's so hard to discern when something portends ultimate doom vs. just chalking it up to shit happens over 82 games.
I think we do, but it's because they're really really good, and would be a favorite in any 7-game series. The main way they're going to lose an individual game is massive shooting variance, or horrible loss of defensive focus (rarer).
 

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I think we do, but it's because they're really really good, and would be a favorite in any 7-game series. The main way they're going to lose an individual game is massive shooting variance, or horrible loss of defensive focus (rarer).
Right. Or injury.
 

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I read the main board and BBtL, so I'm ready for the onslaught of Chicken Littles if we drop a few games in a row. More important to protect KPs groin.
I'm on Team Bubble Wrap. I don't mind seeing more bench minutes mixed in with the starters to reduce TOP6 minutes.

PP has been shooting well recently, he can play more than 19 minutes with CP running around out there for 35 minutes
 

Jimbodandy

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I'm on Team Bubble Wrap. I don't mind seeing more bench minutes mixed in with the starters to reduce TOP6 minutes.

PP has been shooting well recently, he can play more than 19 minutes with CP running around out there for 35 minutes
Sold on both.

As far as the bolded, I feel like I owe another mea culpa on that kid. I didn't expect the toughness and athleticism that we're seeing from him this year. Feels like he dialed up both, but I'm open to the idea that this was him and I didn't see it. Either way, long season--give him minutes. It's nice to rest KP/AL, but it wouldn't kill us to spread some of DW/JH/JB/JT minutes his way too.
 

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Definitely felt like the Warriors' Super Bowl.
I don't know if it was the Warriors' Super Bowl but it was 100% Reggie Miller's Super Bowl. Surprised he didn't pour champagne on Kevin Harlan's head after the Warriors got the W
 

Euclis20

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I’m concerned that when the games get to be the most important, are they going to revert to what they were last year? They keep telling us they can win in different ways but when the chips are down will they show us they learned from previous playoff mishaps? Finish the damn game out.
They can win in different ways, but when they lose it's always going to be in the same way: Going ice cold from 3, and Tatum/Brown stall out down the stretch.